Sadly I'm in a bit of a rush so I will not be able to address many of the issues raised in various posts. But a simple one...that might be hard to find an answer to is that all monies from citations go directly to the black hole of the federal budget less a $25 processing fee that I believe goes to ...

Well, I simply can't explain that situation. In the situation you describe those actions and words are completely out of line! Possibly there was some other issue or it was just a jerk ranger. I personally know of one that had worked the event in past years that I thought was a complete jerk toward ...

Well, LEOs are like everyone else...... a varied lot. I know to most it seems they are stamped out of the same mold but that really isn't the case. Now the training is the same so some reactions will be the same but all have a different personality. It is just like burners. I don't judge all burners...

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Dearest Ubu, I don't know that we need be advesaries. What was described in the previous post is not a violation of anyone's privacy. A car being driven down the road in an open area video taping whatever can be seen is simply not a violation of privacy. No more than if I drove down your street and ...

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I would suggest not going forth and freely announcing there presence. It could easily be interpreted as interference and you could be cited.....sort of like a look out for a criminal episode.

Hi UBU, As for being in a camp unannounced or unexpected....I had to cross a couple of camps while looking for a reported rape suspect. I assure you I could not and did not take the time to be pleasant and polite and introduce myself in this situation. Unfortunately you can see by reading some of th...

And we should always remember ......

pee on the playa today
breath pee dust tomorrow......

The FBI...he he he....

Yes, there were more than 11. That number is probably from one agency despite what the press said. I haven't had a chance to read this thread in totality but please understand that what you might see as LEOs snooping around could be something entirely different that I am sure you would be supportive...

Oh sure, make us look like slackers.......

I must say I didn't realize we were impacting magic?

Oh, I don't think it's common. I can't think of anywhere else it would work!!

Flux - I neglected to answer the questions in your post. So...... Yes like all groups that are stereotyped some members deserve it, some don't. I did learn in Sociology that stereotypes are based on fact. I don't know the funniest situation. It's all fun, well most of it. As for coming back after ho...

Below you will find the Keystone Cop incident.... So I'm sitting in a truck with another LEO that is working the event. We are in her truck. I note that there is a naked guy running across the playa with BRR(Black Rock Rangers) following. I think to myself hummm.....not so unusual, around here. Soon...

Let's start this off with a short somewhat humorous story... One of the first BMs I worked I was patrolling the playa and stopped a couple of young adults on a scooter that was not in any way decorated. Of course there should be no non art cars out plying the playa. So I first asked the kid if he ha...

Well, it's a little late right now but, I will put on my thinking cap and try to remember some interesting tid bits.....

Mistress of Mirth - I am sorry that has been your experience. I wish you had asked me. I always stop and visit. Hmm.....middle age - never trust anyone over 30! (Except me) Seriously, many in LE work in a paranoid mode. It is a result of the training in which you are always preparing for the worst. ...

Polar Weasel - I haven't done alot of research either. Just stating my opinion..... I enjoy discussing a variety of topics. However, it would be alot easier to do this face to face at BM instead of all this typing! keepthebeat - I don't know what the current statistics are for our society as a whole...

It is unfortunate that this has been cross posted. I will not reply to all the posts here. I will state that there is no evidence or even reasonable suspicion to believe that LEOs were involved.

For a more detailed response please review this thread in the "Beyond Belief" forum....

djCharlieBrown - Believe what you will. I was there and was never told that was the prime directive (oops a little trecky). Your statement concerning ubu's incident makes many assumptions. I have tried in my posts to offer some insight as to other factors that might have been present. As noted befor...

Ailchinn - I wouldn't get to excited about what some people suspect. If you check one of my earlier posts some people suspected we were arresting someone because he was naked. Truly one of the more interesting parts of BM is listening to the rumors about LE. Now you bring this up in a very hostile u...

Isotopia - OK I'm a little dense please explain...... djCharlieBrown - That is an interesting point of view. You are correct rights exist 100% of the time, everywhere and must be respected as such. Now if a drunk runs into you or gets out of hand you should not bust his/her chop. If it is reported a...

Judas - as noted before there are instances where BRC does need LE aside from the assaults I have noted previously there are issues with rape. One issue that is unresolved and for which I don't know the depth of the problem is child pornography. If you want an issue that could cause major problems f...

ubu- Yeah, we probably would disagree about many items and each would have our own reasonings, that keeps things interesting. It might be surprising on what things we would agree on! I did not realize that I was clever and crafty, and I'm not sure that's a compliment :? . I will note again that I do...

Well now, Kinetic - Well, I ain't God's gift to law enforcement or a prize winning lawyer but for some issues I might be able to offer some insight. If you know of anything that I should check out let me know. I usually just search around looking for the stories about the LE incidents it's always fu...

Hmm, where should I start.....and does anyone really care?? ubu - Please understand that BLM Rangers have 2 jobs, one to protect the resource and two to protect those that are using it (not necessarily in that order). So when it comes to dealing with drunks it really isn't a bad idea. Each year I ha...

OK I obviously haven't figured out the quote thing....so here's the quote- [quote="ubu] They told me in fact that they request to be assigned to this gig every year. they get a contact high from it! It would be interesting to challenge the case that involved our campsite, as one of our party was ind...

Good to see someone knows the law. It is illegal to possess any amt under federal law 21 USC 844.


LEOs dealing with drunks. Good idea...BLM has no good rules on drunken behavior, unless you are creating a hazard to others. That can be difficult to prove in court.

That weren't no cops.........