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by stopbmorg
Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:33 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: This is for all threads to goto about www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 495
Views: 90712

Who I've gone up against

For the record, it hasn't been, on my part, corporate polluters. It has been the government. In the early and mid-90's it was the Army Corp of Engineers over the San Francisco Bay Dredging Project (ship channel improvements) and the dumping of spoils within the bay. Now they dump farther out to sea....
by stopbmorg
Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:03 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: This is for all threads to goto about www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 495
Views: 90712

The reactions are interesting

But certainly not unexpected. We have done our best to further clarify our stand on the issue. Sadly, reporters don't always print what you tell them and the AP article was not 100% accurate. However, it was accurate where it counted. Especially the last quoted statement from BLM that not enough is ...
by stopbmorg
Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:24 am
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: This is for all threads to goto about www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 495
Views: 90712

A reply...

I just wanted to address a couple points. Scans - you have a choice between high quality or small size. I tried to find a happy medium between file size and readability. I can read them just fine though, so I didn't know that anyone else was having problems reading them. There are larger size scans ...
by stopbmorg
Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:35 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: This is for all threads to goto about www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 495
Views: 90712

Yes, the rebar went away

From the hole it was in and was handed to Vito Carmosino of BLM after that transect was finished. At this point, I'm not sure what additional facts you folks want. The site has scans of memos and letters obtained from BLM. The site lists two ecologists who have a like view. The site shows that among...
by stopbmorg
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:26 am
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: This is for all threads to goto about www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 495
Views: 90712

That makes no sense

Why should we pay for the privilege of going to an event that we don't want to go to any longer, in order to educate people? This is a matter of BRC, LLC taking responsibility for its actions, and a matter of BLM having a small flame lit under it to see some action taken. After going in 1999 and 200...
by stopbmorg
Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:23 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: This is for all threads to goto about www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 495
Views: 90712

Frog Farm Restoration

The web page at http://home.earthlink.net/~karinaoc/burn99/frog.html paints a pretty picture, but I'm afraid that what it paints on the web and what things look like at Frog Farm are in opposition. The site really is still a mess. There used to be a fireplace there, made from a common sedimentary st...
by stopbmorg
Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:48 am
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: This is for all threads to goto about www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 495
Views: 90712

Addressing Some Arguments and Contentions

I. Cars. There used to be a group of people that went out to play on the playa in their cars. That hasn't happened since 1998 or 1999. There is one reason. A discussion with Mike Bilbo in 1999 enlightened us to the fact that the playa wasn't a 'dead' surface and that excessive driving might be hurti...
by stopbmorg
Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:24 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: This is for all threads to goto about www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 495
Views: 90712

WHOIS info/domain reg

BTW, Dotster is screwed in the head, but the whois info finally seems to be oozing out... Domain ID:D99684330-LROR Domain Name:STOPBURNINGMAN.ORG Created On:22-Aug-2003 19:28:23 UTC Last Updated On:20-Jan-2004 04:20:34 UTC Expiration Date:22-Aug-2004 19:28:23 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:R34-LROR Status...
by stopbmorg
Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:16 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: This is for all threads to goto about www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 495
Views: 90712

personal uses?

What's interesting is that first, Rex no longer owns a Neon. Actually, only one person among 14 or 15 of us owns a Neon. I no longer own a Neon either. That's how we came to first find and love the place. But, that was quite some time ago and interests change. What's even MORE interesting is that if...
by stopbmorg
Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:49 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

Hi Metric

Next time I'm in the Gerlach area, I'd be happy to discuss the issues with you, with evidence in hand. A sheet of visquine (with holes in it, no less) is not going to do much to stop the leaking diesel. We were there, we saw it. The pit the tank sat in would not have held more than 30% of the tanks ...
by stopbmorg
Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:43 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: eplaya listen up
Replies: 25
Views: 8221

More documents up

Hi Folks, http://www.stopburningman.org has been updated with a half dozen scans of internal BLM memos, as well as the content of a letter from 2 ecologists who, in 2000, were calling for the same kind of environmental review that we are proposing. Their letter is backed up with numerous scientific ...
by stopbmorg
Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:42 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: http://www.stopburningman.org/
Replies: 38
Views: 8522

Follow the link

because 99% of the information you want is there. http://www.burningman.org As for the permit stipulations, the 2003 event list is right here: http://www.nv.blm.gov/Winnemucca/recreation/burningman/BM_2003_Stips.pdf Just look at it. It's a quick download. I would direct your attention to the followi...
by stopbmorg
Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:31 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

The Cleanup Standard is flawed

Sorry to cross-link: http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic.php?p=35530#35530 Posted there is the typed in content of a letter received this summer from a FOIA request about the cleanup standard. The standard is arbitrary and has zero scientific backing or basis. At most it is an expression of relat...
by stopbmorg
Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:27 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Does Burning Man really leave no trace?
Replies: 21
Views: 6848

BLM's own admission that the cleanup standard is arbitrary

This is the text of a recent letter from BLM re: the BM cleanup standard. All typos were left included. The memo is from a Roger Farschon, NCA ecologist, addressed to Dave Cooper, NCA manager. Items in <b> bold </b> are my emphasis. (start) The standard and the protocol were initially developed and ...
by stopbmorg
Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:40 am
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Does Burning Man really leave no trace?
Replies: 21
Views: 6848

A concurrence

Rodney, I agree with 100% of what you say. But I think there are other problems that justify a deeper look at what goes on at the playa. The cleanup standard used by BLM, and readily accepted by BM, is hardly scientific beyond the idea that you can get a rough count of square footage of trash over t...
by stopbmorg
Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:20 am
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: how about this website? www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 25
Views: 4737

The information is there

For you to look at. First off, and this is a leap of faith perhaps, you need to realize that allanon, RTP and stopbmorg are indeed 3 different people. For example, I can spell and form complete sentences. Allanon, though a teacher, does not represent himself well in print. That said, we *do* want cr...
by stopbmorg
Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:15 am
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: We're not the only ones questioning this.
Replies: 17
Views: 6365

Cite away

I for one would love to know your cites. It's a short drive to Stanford for me and I'd be happy to refer to your citations and examine their context (which is missing). That said, there are others who think differently about artesian water sources in the Black Rock Desert. It seems reasonable to con...
by stopbmorg
Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:03 am
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

Very clever, but not very helpful

The ad hominem attack and the fallacious logical attacks are indeed clever. But still, let's get past those -- I'm presuming you folks just want to make personal attacks for their own sake. I can't stop that from happening. Still though -- not a single email, not a single post about the proposed sol...
by stopbmorg
Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:06 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: how about this website? www.stopburningman.org
Replies: 25
Views: 4737

Welp

Contact information has been posted, both mailing and emailing, more information added to http://www.stopburningman.org, including pictures and a couple of good proposals for solutions. So now what? Are you folks going to hypercriticize the proposed solutions? Be quiet and hope they go away? What's ...
by stopbmorg
Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:03 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: How many people were killed at this year's event?
Replies: 40
Views: 8929

they were convenient

places to start. Controversy, like car accidents, attracts rubber neckers. Hence the tactical decision to start there.

Allanon, RPT and myself are all 3 different unique human beings. And we don't even know who WRSP is outside of his/her presence on this forum.
by stopbmorg
Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:01 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

Re: ack is there any trutch to this website?

Technopatra, I'm afraid I have to call you on a lie. The stopbmorg@hotmail.com email address is checked daily. To date, we have received 4 emails. 1 from hotmail, thanking us for joining, two from our registrar, and a spam. Besides that, there is more than enough contact information available now fo...
by stopbmorg
Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:00 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

OK...here's something legit to chew on...

Consider the notions of patriotism and nationalism. Those two 'isms' are strong enough to blind otherwise intelligent, rational humans into acting irrationally (National Socialist Party of Germany, anyone?). So consider that BM attendees have been fed a decade+ of BRC, LLC originated spin. Soon the ...
by stopbmorg
Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:00 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

Let's put forth a solution

But if the address links me to a spot halfway up the side of a mountain like the last one, the battle is joined and off I go. You won't like the results if I do that. All that being said, I do have to thank you for trying to draw attention to the Black Rock Desert. It truly is a special place. As mu...
by stopbmorg
Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:19 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

www.stopburningman.org

OK, so you think anonymity harms credibility? Fine. The stopburningman.org WHOIS record has been updated as of 10 minutes ago. The email address in the record works, is checked daily by several people and can receive email. The address and name -- well you can find out for yourself if they are real,...
by stopbmorg
Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:44 am
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

Want some more evidence?

http://www.stopburningman.org/images/northtree.jpg Photo taken the day before the burn in 2002. North Tree fire, a BMORG contractor for fire suppression, came to Trego Hot Springs to take water for dust abatement (several of us stopped and spoke to the 2 NT personel in the truck). Taking water from ...
by stopbmorg
Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:30 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

Some more photos

I only have so much time to put photos up, but again if you hit the photos link off http://www.stopburningman.org you will see that I added a few more (art cars, visitors screwing up the springs at Trego, and an MASSIVE pit/scraping courtesy of DPW at Frog Farm. If this is Leave No Trace, I'd hate t...
by stopbmorg
Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:40 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

If you want to talk with those who have seen it

Join the Yahoo group. You need to see this from our perspective. Larry's goons are rabid, to the point that we would expect physical retribution for speaking truthfully and accurately in a public forum about various BMORG transgressions. The prior actions and behaviors of BMORG and its followers did...
by stopbmorg
Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:59 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: How many people were killed at this year's event?
Replies: 40
Views: 8929

Well crafted?

Actually, the FOIA request was specifically written to be very *very* inclusive of anything remotely related. If anyone here is in the legal profession, it's akin to 'discovery'. It pays off to get all the information in front of you and then cull it down yourself to what you need and can use. No de...
by stopbmorg
Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:51 pm
Forum: Philosophical Center
Topic: ack is there any trutch to this website?
Replies: 111
Views: 29702

Anonymity is not a crime

Nor does it make any sense, to a rational person, why anonymous information should be any less worthy than other information. Police accept and use anonymous tips all the time to solve crimes. The Cult of Larry is a frightening one. But the photographic evidence is right there at http://www.stopburn...
by stopbmorg
Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:10 am
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: has anyone seen this website?
Replies: 70
Views: 9749

$your_clue < 1

Multiple that ONE car and those FEW oil drops by 30,000 and THEN tell me there is no impact. There are areas of the playa that are closed because they are Wilderness Study Areas. It's unlikely that you'd find any ordinance 60 years later, though if any is found, it'll most likely be spent. Nevermind...

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