Tancorix wrote:

The above is a reminder of this group practicing "Leave No Trace" principles.

Congratulations. You've found pictures taken SEVEN years ago. Nice try.

1) The Reno Gazette was doing research long before we more or less fell silent on this forum. 2) Please read the words highlighted in yellow at the beginning of the text on http://www.stopburningman.org . Don't you think that if we were on some kind of non-ecological vendetta, we'd take advantage of...

It works for me on a computer that hasn't seen the new site until just now, so I don't know what's up, or if it's still a problem. I'll tell our tech guy. Thanks for the heads up. EDIT: Apparently the mirror server hadn't been updated yet, but it is now. Give it another try. -Rodney For a website th...

Site update...

http://www.stopburningman.org/

-Rodney

I'm afraid you may have missed my point. Data and facts no longer matter once people feel they are being attacked. By your group's actions--which I've already illustrated--the community that you were trying to reach was moved into an emotional point of view that now feels you're trying to attack it...

The sock puppet issue is probably not dead, but denying them tends to reinforce the collective belief that they are there. Too many sock puppets have turned up here in the past and have denied, denied, denied, denied ad nauseum that they weren't sock puppets... until one day they admitted they were...

sparks, I've found that most of your replies have generally been direct and responsive. Also, you seem to have avoided some of the inflammatory words and actions and generally come across, IMO, as someone committed and convinced of your conclusions. I appreciate your apparent willingness to discuss...

As for the documents themselves, I see absolutely nothing that is "current", all of this is the same dredged up material that has been recycled over and over again. (2001) Recent or not, are the statements still valid? Has the cleanup standard been re-evaluated? Has the further study which is propo...

I'm not too impressed with the term expert, since my mind's internal definition is; "someone who knows more than you about a subject". Doesn't make them right, it just means they know more about it. And I learned when I was much younger that you can achieve that status pretty easily- I was a VCR "e...

Anyone wanna go for real fucking environmental injustice? Consider that Pyramid Lake probably won't be there by the time your children grow up. The Truckee river - which is the only source of water into the lake - is being diverted so much by the burgeoning growth being experienced in Reno and adja...

Only thing I could figure (before it was determined that some critics of BMs' environmental impacts were off road users) was that someone was projecting their own supposed guilt over ruination of the planet.. but I had thought them ashamed to eat anything that cast a shadow. Go figure. Anyways, it ...

As for the rest of the debate, I've been there done that. About a month ago I played 2 sock puppets along with myself and I know how the game is played. I had different PC's with different IP's / ways to connect to the Internet. I did it for several reasons and the main one was to understand how so...

At least Rex Scates / Allanon2 / Sparks / insert new ID here got his whois info updated as I almost bagged me a new domain. I would have parked it on some server somewhere and let it fade into oblivion. He came so close to losing it. So close. This never ceases to crack me up! How can you guys thin...

Regarding the Frog Pond restoration efforts, please go to http://home.earthlink.net/~karinaoc/burn99/frog.html to read more. "Wetland restorationists and environmental artists will craft a site-specific plan to create wetland habitat in a human-use setting, an esthetic environment with maximum wild...

Can you see that the fact that your were racing cars out there on the playa in August, the time when people go out to prepare for the event, makes your intentions highly suspect? That is some context for envrinomentalism. Maybe it wouldn't have been if you all hadn't witheld it. And your url is jus...

First off, the BANEON site hasn't been updated in a few years. The club mainly exists today as a mailing list... we only get together about once a year. The trip to Black Rock was associated with the Neon club until about 1999, I'd say. After that, it has only been taken by people within that group ...

Well, I started this thread to get away from the mud throwing and ranting that was going on in the other threads, in an effort to transition this thing into something resembling a constructive discussion.

-Rodney

Hey everyone- Some scanned documents have been added to the site: http://www.stopburningman.org/images/index.html If you're curious, they're worth reading. In short, they show that a) qualified ecologists have determined that a thorough environmental impact assessment is definitely warranted, and b)...

I understand the discussion going on but this is just the e-playa. It currently has a user base of 3000 people and the only "senior" staff I've ever run across here is the wonderful Actiongrl. (No offense to Technopatra, Spanky or the ETF members). By posting all this here in an effort to make chan...

Here's a tidbit of info to chew on: I calculated the percentage of the area of the Burning Man event that is covered by these 100'x1000' transects to be equal to 0.32%. Yes, that's 0.0032. It's been a little while since I took statistics, but this sample seems a bit small. Here's a graphic that shou...

That's awesome! I think that if everyone at the event were as consciencious as you and your friends are, things would be great. However, some people choose to leave rebar sticking out of the playa, generator holes uncovered, etc... When I say "Burning Man", I'm not referring to a bunch of individual...

BLACK ROCK CITY LLC PASSES ANNUAL BLM EVENT CLEAN-UP INSPECTION WITH FLYING COLORS Burning Man Named Largest ‘Leave No Trace’ Event in the World The main objections I have to using this as conclusive proof are: 1) BLM has a vested interest (>$600,000/year) in making sure Burning Man continues at th...

stopbmorg- Very interesting. Sounds like a way of just doing the minimum, with little regard to a quantitative answer. The cleanup effort really should be in proportion with the size of the event, IMHO, which is apparently not the case... -Rodney Rodney, I agree with 100% of what you say. But I thin...

I'm proposing a pre-event and post-event inspection, not a during-event inspection. There would be no 'barging in'. I think that with an event this size comes a great level of responsibility for the impact it might have on the surroundings, and I think that having a third party come in and quantitat...

Hello! As most of you know, there is some debate going on right now over what is said on http://www.stopburningman.org . There are those who feel that BM should just go away and never come back, and there are those that think BM is the best thing that ever hit the face of the Earth. Then, there are ...