" Am I reading this wrong? No This is the OPPOSITE of radical inclusion. It is a members-only approach that is best described as radical elitism. And I'm not the only that feels this way. Well, on the flip side, these people have donated hundreds or thousands of hours to the Org as volunteers, or h...

Clearly this band-aid was the best policy decision that the LLC could have made given its craptacular implementation of a lottery. It prevents every bunch of leeches on the block from claiming theme camp status in a bid for more tickets. In many ways, it was what had to be done. But if fucks me. If...

Dry ice.. maybe you can help. I did dry ice year one of the burn and everything tasted like chemicals... I could have done it wrong...maybe that was the problem I guess I should look in to that one as well. Yeah, like I said, use the vacuum saver bags and don't let the meat directly touch the dry i...

you are right I called that hotel. All rooms have full kitchens. That is going to be my choice.... Ms/Mr New Jersey, if you got tickets and would like to go in on the room, we can book a double bed that way we have the kitchen??? Just a thought if you are interested. Bad idea. Unless you are planni...

Espresso - the story you related would make a good note to the DMV and the Artery, with a note to alert the Safety Committee. Sure you can find the emails. My post was sent and I received a nice reply. Wouldn't expect BMORG to really read eplaya. Some of us do. :D Still, I'd prefer to have notes, c...

with a policy on the books there is more accountability there are easily more than 100 people who are either directly involved in on-playa DMV volunteering, or off-playa DMV volunteering.. there are also hundreds of people who, while not volunteers, are just interested people (like fellows in the M...

My first reaction was this was a completely fucked up idea. But on second thought, it's really all about about the details. I have no idea how they will do this, but say they have a lottery in Feb where they decide who ends up in which tier and then one lottery month, the only people in danger of no...

my understanding that due to the huge number of MV applications, the limit was reached in early May... Actually, that's not correct. In the future we might have to stop accepting applications before the deadline, but this year the we kept accepting applications right up to the deadline and then bec...

If you make it a scooter that you stand to ride, then you can use that. It really help to mutate the crap out of it as well, but a standing scooter is allowed. I'll try to find where that is written. That would be incorrect. We do allow small stand up go-ped type scooters to operate without a licen...

Before you go investing time, resources and money into it I'd verify with the Black Rock DMV that scooters are even a category to be issued permits at the event. Scooters are allowed, most certainly. However the same rules apply to them as to other mutant vehicles, which is that they have to suffic...

Also I don't think anyone at DMV should care what you have in the way of sound. As far as I know they care about safety and things like that.. We only care about sound because vehicles with large sound systems are reminded of the Burning Man rules concerning sounds during licensing. I would also po...

we had it inspected with a 7k watt sound system, later in the week we added some speakers and amps which brought it up to 20k watts it was an after thought and caused no structural changes. If I was supposed to have it reinspected then I am sorry for the missunderstanding. It was once again an afte...

The word "significant" is arbitrary and unenforceable unless clearly defined. And I bet that YOU are NOT the guy defining the terms set forth in the agreement. As such, I am not surprised at your futile attempt to find a backbone for your inherently weak argument. You would be better served by shor...

Ill have you know that the MV was granted a permit BEFORE the sound system was installed upon it. Uh-oh!! Oh my, I really hope that wasn't the case. The DMV is very clear that a Mutant Vehicle needs to be in its final form BEFORE it is brought in for its on-playa inspection. Significant post inspec...

TEMP: THREADJACK: did the/does the mv dmv keep track of that, or received complaints? d6 We don't get a lot of official complaints, but we do followup on the ones we get. And I don't think we've ever gotten a formal complaint about someone being denied a ride... but we know it happens. A lot. We ar...

Do not allow your MV to be used in the fashion that Duff is promising. You will run the risk of impoundment. If DuffDog actually carried through with some of the stuff he's threatened too, impoundment would be the least of their worries, unless you're referring to the type of anal impoundment that ...

Duffdog talks shit on here and you say that the bus might not get approved ?? MV owners that tells us they aren't going to follow the rules aren't going to get licenses. Following the rules is one of the criteria for getting a license. Once they get a license, it's up to the Rangers to enforce the ...

I am continuously suprised by your inability to seperate myself from the respones of Duffdog he is a jungle DJ he is hardcore in spirit, its his nature to be this way. Being a DJ with spirit is not a valid excuse for him to act like an asshole. Which is, after rereading this thread, exactly how Duf...

I'd say, though, that, (probably), they're not naive enough to start bragging to DMV about breaking the rules........... or the threats they've now implied, more than once......... They're certainly naive enough to start bragging here, so who knows what they are capable of. Sheessh. At this rate th...

Are you seriously that much of a bitch ?? Just so you know, one of my specialties in the department is dealing with problem MVs and their owners. And yeah, I'm that much of a bitch... it comes with the job. I do suspect Duffdog, like most people of his type, is half poseur and half asshole, and uns...

I get far more joy out of terrorizing an individual to their wits end and seeing them breakdown in utter frustration and tears while being simultaneously loved by everyone else. Duff, I'm thinking that when White Rabbit brings Wonderland into the DMV for inspection, it would probably improve his ch...

I am surprised DMV passed that last year.... I guess anyone with a bus can just bring it , without any real significant mutation or attempt to cover the base vehicle. Looking at the width, I don't think they are gonna be waking anyone up in the camping areas, as they are not allowed to cruise up an...

Just becuase people have fingers and can type doesnt make it truth. True, but you can hardly expect not to be called out and asked to explain your intentions when you have a teammate that ... umm... misuses his typing ability. That said, I'm glad to see you've read the rules, because you better rea...

There are DMV hotties reading this right now, and everything you say here will be taken into account when/if you submit your plans to the DMV for approval. Indeed we do read the forums. So DuffDog, or whomever fills out the application for this Mutant Vehicle, you should probably include a note as ...

capjbadger wrote:There are no arts cars at burning man anymore.
Only mutant vehicles.

Badger

Actaully, all mutant vehicles are art cars but not all art cars are mutant vehicles. It's one of those Venn diagram sort of things.

JR

Elliot wrote: About dispersement of energy in a carbon fiber flywheel explosion, I would expect a lot of that energy to convert to... A HUGE BANG!

And I love a HUGE BANG as much as most people, if not more, but this gets back the whole "let's try not to hurt random people" interest the DMV has.

Is this still human powered as far as the DMV sees it? Thanks again. All us crazy MV building geeks really appreciate the info you're giving us. :) Badger So here's the deal. We want to make Burning Man better for everyone so as a general rule MVs that we think the average Burner thinks makes Burni...

Elliot wrote:
A flywheel that turns to dust if its structural integrity is compromised?

All that energy can't just magically disappear.

sbjody wrote:Thats bad ass.
Here is a pic of the scooter I brought 2006.

That's good enough to get a license.

Just sayin'.

JR

sbjody wrote:So how and when can the DMV take a look at this?.

My advice would be to stop by the DMV during the event and ask to speak with Od Wally, he's the dept. head and he's the one you really need to convince.