@Mrptatomoto: I guess we disagree about "Leave No Trace" vs "Tread Lightly". I prefer to be honest about the results of my activities, but I see your point about aspiring to being better. "Pave the Playa" is a joke, much like Jonathan's Swift "A Modest Proposal" is about eating children to solve pro...

@DrYes: At its peak, the big land sail event was at most 120 people. Different environment have different limits. I agree that 50k land sailors would have a large impact. Part of my point is that it is worth having a conversation that we are having a negative impact and that it is worth it. Let's be...

So what's the real issue here cxbrx? Is it the fact that your formerly intimate gathering is now growing to numbers that you find unacceptable or is it that you "can't" landsail anymore? You're worried over dunes yet you suggest paving the desert? If you really wanna see the surface disturbed I gue...

All: thanks for your responses, below are some comments: @AntiM: I've been to Bonneville and like the Black Rock, Bonneville needs to have a race track prepared for automobiles. I'm not sure if there is much land sailing on Bonneville, at least I have not heard of any. Ivanpah is a better surface fo...

I'm the one who filed the appeal. You can find a link to the appeal at the top of https://sites.google.com/site/blackrockdunes/ If Burning Man had stuck with 50,000, I would not have appealed the permit. I'd be happier if Burning Man would stop using "Leave No Trace" and move on to "Tread Lightly". ...