2008 Street Names: American Cars

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[quote="Barbie"]Hey Thirt33n you forgot Dart the COolest of them ALL ...[/quote]

Truly the coolest of all cars. Well next to the Ambassador.

[thirt33n]

there's a Dart just down the road from me. looks straight. no grill. flat gray. sign says, "runs. $400"


concave rear window and all....

[Barbie]

Yeah - Fricking COOOLLLL 400 dollars seems to be the going price

[Captain Goddammit]

I use to be kinda a motor head type person...

WHO LOVES MOPARS!!!!!!


I have rode In a Couple of Satellites and Roadrunners and - Let me tell ya they are 2 different CARS. Its like saying the SUper super fuckin' HOTT GIRL is the same a the really plain overweight girls 'cause there both girls. I'm not buying IT.

Hate to tell ya... they are NOT two different CARS! A RoadRunner IS the Satellite with all the high-performance options. It's not like saying they're the same because they're both cars, as your hott girl example implies. They are the same car, optioned differently.
Just like a '67 Mustang is still a '67 Mustang even though one might have a 6-cylinder and automatic and another might have a 390 with four-speed. They will feel very different to a passenger, but they're the same CAR... fitted with some different options.

[EspressoDude]

I drove a V8 midengine Corvair once.
Very nice.
Had two trunks.

I built one of those...1965 model 2 door hardtop. Put in a 327/350hp + slant plug racing heads.Big 4bbl holley carb. Copper-nickel exhausts, chrome-moly steel roll cage, aluminum bucket seats, navy mil-spec guages, jet fighter seatbelts, 15" wheels. It could stripe asphalt with both tires..eat 396 Chevelles and bury the 140mph speedo(still calibrated for stock 13" wheels)

Was a daily driver for about 6 years till I sold it.

here is a link to some similar;
http://ateupwithmotor.livejournal.com/7623.html

[Barbie]

And girls are all the same - with different options...

and a 67 mustang is the same as a 67 Cobra


and a Challenger the same as a Barracuda


And your Art Car Boat is the same as that CHeshire Cat - they're Both ART CARS!!!

[Captain Goddammit]

And girls are all the same - with different options...

and a 67 mustang is the same as a 67 Cobra

Not even close, the Cobra was an English-bodied two-seat roadster

and a Challenger the same as a Barracuda

Pretty fucking close. The Challenger had a 2-inch longer wheelbase and different body panels but was essentially the same underneath.

And your Art Car Boat is the same as that CHeshire Cat - they're Both ART CARS!!!

Actually the boat isn't an art car at all! Art cars are cars that have been decorated, in a supposedly artful way. This thing is a mutant, has no car under it, and no artsy decoration all over it.

[gyre]

I drove a V8 midengine Corvair once.
Very nice.
Had two trunks.

I built one of those...1965 model 2 door hardtop. Put in a 327/350hp + slant plug racing heads.Big 4bbl holley carb. Copper-nickel exhausts, chrome-moly steel roll cage, aluminum bucket seats, navy mil-spec guages, jet fighter seatbelts, 15" wheels. It could stripe asphalt with both tires..eat 396 Chevelles and bury the 140mph speedo(still calibrated for stock 13" wheels)

Was a daily driver for about 6 years till I sold it.

here is a link to some similar;
http://ateupwithmotor.livejournal.com/7623.html

There is a V8 Corvair Club and most of them are daily drivers.
If I could find a wagon...
There is one I know of with a V8 out there and a bonneville special too.
Maybe that one was yours?

[SFbrothermichael]

The Streets of Black Rock City: Explained.

http://blog.burningman.com/?p=2008#more-2008

[thirt33n]

captain, you might get a naked flying side kick that tastes like pizza and kool aid if you're not careful. I hear barbie's a badd ass...

[gyre]

The Streets of Black Rock City: Explained.

http://blog.burningman.com/?p=2008#more-2008

Bizarre set of choices.
I thought this was a joke.

Worth noting that the film Nader used to expose the Corvair's handling was a fake made by another car company.
Nader was exposed but he gained credibility when GM was caught spying on him.

Like the Allante and the Fiero, the Corvair had good engineering and GM cheaped out on the early versions.
The Corvair needed only a single part added to the suspension to fix the potential problem engineered in by the accountants.
That GM does this is all you need to know about them.

I never thought of my 66 Fairlane fastback as boxey.
They are much lighter than they look.
With a 289, I got 25 mpg on the freeway, with hills.
It would outrun a Mustang GT too, bone stock.

The Gremlin was available with a big V8 too, and a four speed.
Way too heavy for an economy car, it was built as a hot compact.
Check out the Gremlin X.

[Barbie]

Now Now thirt33n
I would not do flying side kicks over cars-

I did however do some research on Mopars sites

and they say...

The plymouth belvedere has been around since 1954. It spawed a Belvedere satallite model in 1965. The line went Belvedere, Belvedere I, Belvedere II, Belvedere I Super Stock, Satallite, Satallite with street option, GTX, and then Roadrunner.

They also state that how the Road runners came about was that Plymouth was looking to get back to the basics. They wanted a muscle car that could do 14 second quarter mile for under 3000 dollars.

Using the Chrysler B platform as base (the same as the Belvedere, Satellite, and GTX use) they set out to build a Basic Muscle Car. Meaning
everything essential to performance was beefed up and improved -
everything non essential was left out. ( this includes carpeting)
THe Roadrunnners of 1968-1970 were based on the Belvedere while the GTX was based on the Satellite- a car with higher level trim and slight differences in the grills and taillights.

I didn't mean the Cobra I meant the Cobra Mustang. (I know- I know it didn't come out until 1969.)
and Yes I do know that they are not the same as a regular mustang.
I also believe in my HEART Barracudas are MUCH MUCH COOLER THAN challengers - and still Stand By the Belief THAT DeMons are the Fricking COOLEST even if its just 'cause they look like their smiling at YA.

[gyre]

I had a chance to get a late model Cuda with a 4 speed.
And it was a convertible, but loaded with the suspension goodies.
I hated the way it drove though.
The late model was far heavier than the early ones.
I wish I had bought it now, just so I could sell it.
The prices are nuts now.

[Barbie]

Ohh and I love YOU Capt Goddammit

It seems to me- I've had some great Margartias on your Mutant Car!!!

[Captain Goddammit]

Oh, I love everyone on here too, I'm just a major gearhead who has forgotten more about cars than most people will ever know. It's to the point that half the time I read books about musclecars and instead of learning anything I point out the mistakes. And it makes me cringe when people publish erroneous stuff about old cars.

And by the way... there wasn't a "Cobra Mustang" back in the day but there was a "428 Cobra Jet" engine option in '68 (I put a "warmed up" one my dad had been saving my F250 4x4 that carried my shit to B-Man in '01, left all my friends in the hills while carrying a camper and pulling a trailer!) and then there was the 429 Cobra Jet in '69 -'71. The Cobra Jet motors were not exclusively Mustang engines.

And then there was the mid-seventies "Cobra II" Mustang, the sorta performance model of the Pinto-based '74 - '78 Mustang II, made famous as the car Farrah Fawcett drove on "Crarlie's Angels". She almost did for that car what Burt Reynolds did for the '77 - '81 Trans Am.

Chrysler (Dodge-Plymouth) wasn't the only one slapping out inexpensive sorta-stripped-down, no-frills 14-second cars, but it was their big claim to fame back then. Ford used an extremely extensive option list to let you design your Mustang however you wanted, and GM went after the cheap-and-fast market mostly with Chevys and Pontiacs, most notably the '69 - '71 GTO "Judge". There was an even cheaper and lighter one, the T-37, available with the Ram-Air IV from the GTO, but almost no one ever heard of it.

I could actually write a book about this shit... I would if I thought there was much of a general public interest to generate sales of it... but I don't.
I had a lot of these cars, early Camaros, GTOs, even a Duster, some Chevelles, several Trans Ams, lots of 'em. I've still got a '55 Chevy and a low-mile '79 Trans Am, but I never drive 'em anymore. I used to use the same engine in my '55, my '67 Camaro, or one of my trucks; I'd yank it out and drop it in whatever I wanted to drive that day or week. And I WASN'T the only one of my friends who did that! We wrenched way too much and it's taken me years to develop a balanced sense of priorities!
Now I play with boats, on-playa and on-water. More fun. Less tickets and jail and stuff.

The Land Yacht will be on-playa again this year, it has it's DMV approval letter, and there will be more margaritas! I shouldn't be too hard to find, It'll be moored be in a very prominent location.

[thirt33n]

Bring
Oout
Another
Thousand


as I've said in the past.
I look forward to coming aboard.

[Ron]

I will say this about this year's theme, I don't remember another generating this much discussion, nor spawning the kind of reverential trips down memory lane that this one is. For myself, I still see it as using products for a theme but it's obvious that cars are dreams for others.

Ron

[Finnegan]

I drove a V8 midengine Corvair once.

Snap oversteer, here I come! And now I want one.

[gyre]

It's no worse than any other midengine car, once it has the later suspension.
And there are upgrades beyond that.
The car looked so slick, with an upholstered engine cover behind the seat.
They feel completely factory.
The steering boxes do need upgrading on these older cars.
Pretty easy with nothing in the front to interfere.
I still have a tube frame V8 car which uses the late Corvair suspension in midengine layout.
The only real drawback to it is weight, compared to a porsche transaxle, for instance.



From Wiki:
In what may be the automotive industry’s greatest irony, NHTSA, the federal agency created from Nader’s consumer advocacy, investigated the Corvair and issued a report in 1971 clearing the car’s design, two years after the car went out of production.

Part of Nader’s evidence against the Corvair was a promotional film created by Ford Motor Company, in which a Ford test driver purposely turned the Corvair in a way to make it spin around. Such films were not uncommon. GM also had films showing the Ford Econoline pickups standing on their noses under heavy braking.

http://www.v8vairs.com/
http://www.geocities.com/gevalt65/links.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvair
http://www.corvair.com/user-cgi/pages.c ... airhistory