vertigo900 wrote:However, what suggestions do you have the reduce the LEO harassment and intimidation of burners in BRC who are not carrying or using controlled substances?
1. BORG has a system in place via the BR Rangers to make complaints about harassing treatment from the various LEO's o the Playa. How many people, including yourself, that have been openly harassed by LEO have utilized this system?
Conversely, I have no idea how well this system works if it even works at all.
I may be wrong on this, but I am under the assumption that any participant at the event has the right to request a BRC Ranger or other BORG representative be present for any extended session with law enforcement per agreements made between the BORG and the law enforcement agencies present on the Playa.
Again, if this is true, how many people that have had negative encounters have taken advantage of this system?
2. Know your rights. I know you know them, but how many others are walking around clueless as to what law enforcement can and can't do? How many people have voluntarily surrendered their rights when requested to do so by law enforcement and consented to searches of their person and property when prompted to?
Its no different than being on a traffic stop and refusing to allow an officer to search your vehicle.
3. Make some noise. Not after, but during. If you feel your rights are being violated by a law enforcement officer make some fucking noise and draw a crowd. A simple "PLEASE HELP ME! MY RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED!" repeated in the loudest voice you can muster is all you need for this. I've seen this tactic work wonders at other venues.
4. Make some noise afterwards. To the Rangers, to the BORG, to the department you feel violated your rights and if necessary, to a civil rights lawyer. A few out o court settlements for abuse of authority will go a long way to cool the jets of over zealous law enforcement.
The primary point in all of this is to be *dum da dum* radically self reliant in looking out for your own ass as your ass is being violated. And in the same manner, in the spirit of community, looking out for your neighbor is just as important.
I know I don't live in a utopia and am not at Martis Gras. This is BLM land which is subject to the civil and criminal laws the United States of America.
You are correct. However, a lot of people do not seem to understand this very basic fact of life while at Burning Man.
However the interpretation and execution of those laws by the representatives of the governing agency is required by the U.S. Constitution to perform their duties with respect to the Bill of Rights.
I have read and heard about a lot of 4th Amendment violations being blatantly committed by law enforcement on the Playa. And on the few occasions I have been able to ask the person citing the incident, "Well, what did you do about it?" the overwhelming reply I hear amounts to basically they did nothing about it except complain about it after the fact.
This same "compliant at the time and complain later" is a very common and disturbing trait that is echoed across all manner of people's lives when dealing with law enforcement in any environment. I find it appalling the number of people that would rather complain in their misery than be proactive in their defense.
Rather than citicize, I am not going to stand idle and watch my or my fellow American citizens rights get violated for illegal searches and entrapments in BRC or in the default world!
GOOD! Encourage others to do the same.
I do not believe it's okay for LEOs to release people barefoot at night in BRC a mile from their camp. Nor do I believe it is okay for the LEOs to run around like it's Baghdad and intimidate and harass people for such lame things as sleeping in public or the undeniable right of putting their fucking hands in their pocket to dispose of a piece of trash. Yes, if fucking REALLY happened and you would have learned about it if you would have read this entire thread.
I have read the entire thread. And in most of this thread I see a lot of people complaining about shit that happened to them or to their friends or whatever and not doing a damn thing about it besides crying about it on a message board.
I have also read several threads where people are making these same complaints about being targeted by law enforcement while they are fucking standing there smoking a joint.
So, if you want to be judgemental to those who choose to speak up for others or obliviously give away your constitutional rights maybe you might consider moving to someplace like China.
Oh cry me a fucking river about China. Maybe you need to go back and read what I posted. The central theme of my post was directed at those that have been popped for drug use and act like they have been victimized because drugs are supposed to be okay at Burning Man.
Those are the idiots I am judgmental towards.
Otherwise, maybe you might try reading the full length of this thread and take a brief moment to educate yourself on yourrights
before you proclaim to know everything and make general statements towards this discussion. Be an ahole to others will only get your shit poked by a dick!
I have read the thread. Its why I posted in it.
I appologize for being aggro but am just fucking tired of the burners in this ePlaya discussion discounting others experiences and talking shit to people standing up for our constitutional rights
I have seen nothing in your posts indicating anyone standing up fro themselves.
Your first post in the thread highlights key examples of my last post concerning people that brought the shit storm down upon themselves.
1. Idiot handed a joint out to a stranger with a sob story. Had the "veteran" simply told the guy that they had no drugs, none of the rest of that would have happened.
2. No where in your narrative do you say he was asking for drugs. Sounds more like you had a blitzed out E-Tard on your hands. What specifically was there that screamed narc about him? He was dressed too normal? He was babbling on about overt sexual encounters after admitting to be Xing? You wanted to call the Rangers, yet you did not. Is this simply another case of talking a good game without backing it up?
3. And? Your camp mate initiated that exchange. Your anger is misplaced.
4. Unfortunantly, at the present time, pot is still illegal. If you do not want your Burnerrific time ruined by getting caught with a controlled substance there is a very obvious solution. Do not carry illegal substances on your person.
As for the rest of that, by all means, strike out and found your own pot haven utopia. Just make sure to have that prescription handy when you are sparking it up. Oh, and federal law enforcement does not honor or recognize medical marijuana prescriptions.
PLEASE, lets have a thoughtful discussion towards a solution to our beloved cities issues and fellow burners woes, and leave the attitude and ego out.
Attitude? Ego? How about a little fucking common sense?
It's no wonder people are willing to vote for people like Bush and McCain, be pro-Patriot Act, when we're all so comfortable with ourselves we don't dare take a moment to humbly listen to others situations and critically think towards universal solutions.
When you start being proactive about covering your own ass, get back to me.
I've been an originating party on a civil rights suit that resulted in 6 police officers being fired and 2 of them being federally prosecuted. Do not dare to presume to lecture me on politics or being proactive when it comes to knowing and protecting my rights.
I'm sure in BRC we would get all get along so well!!! ANYONE READING THIS, PLEASE STOP THE HATING AND RHETORIC AND LET'S MAKE THIS THE BEST CITY EVER!!! In the process of the law enforcement officers and undercover narcotics officers attempting to do their job, many fellow burners who were not using or carrying any controlled substances have been harassed and intimidated. I ask you: is this the type of police behavior your willing to allow in BRC when it is not tollerated back in the default world?
I don't allow it to happen to me, but as long as the majority of people at the event humbly submit and voluntarily surrender their rights, it will continue.
And yes, I am sure we would get along quite nicely in BRC. Stop by the Booby Bar next year and I'll I'll buy you a drink and we can happily debate until we fall over in a stupor.
Playawaste Raiders cordially invites you to suck it.