2009 placement

MozyBonz · Post by **MozyBonz** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:28 am

Wow a 40' x 40' bamboo dance floor and 50' x 50' shade structure didn't get placed....

Joining or starting a village seems to be the newest trend for placement.
But that would only be a guess on my part.

Glad I don't have any of this stress this year.

Good luck it will all work out for you I'm sure.

Skye2kx · Post by **Skye2kx** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:37 am

MozyBonz wrote:Wow a 40' x 40' bamboo dance floor and 50' x 50' shade structure didn't get placed....

Our sentiments, exactly. And this, our third year.

Thanks for the encouragement, though. We'll figure something out.

Token · Post by **Token** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:40 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:
Token wrote:I'm going to venture a wild ass guess that the average themecamp headcount is 30.
Wow, we only got 5-7 depending on how you count em.

Hmm. I looked at the surface area vs the attendance adjusted for higher density in the theme camp areas and villages then applied some sacred geometry dancing and landed on my ass 30 times.

I think my methods fully manifest the spirit of Burning Man.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:50 am

Come on people, this is burning man, not a wedding party. When we get lemons what do we do? we throw them at people, especially BAD actors

Can't come early, STAY LATE.

Consider this!

After the Temple goes up in flames you come back to a city with missing street signs, with camps leaving in a rapid manner. Monday can be depressing as you see all the people hurrying to get back to the world.

Fuck that.

Stay open, turn it up! LOUDER make September 7th a day to be remembered!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:19 am

wedeliver wrote: Stay open, turn it up! LOUDER make September 7th a day to be remembered!

Hey, as George H.W. Bush said, it's a day that will live in infamy.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:20 am

I gotta wonder if the denial of placement to theme camps may be the llc's way of saving money on early entry persons--less infrastructure and smaller poll tax to the BLM>

Fire_Moose · Post by **Fire_Moose** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:33 am

That sucks...might as well not go this year

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:40 am

I think that the disconnect is how many "theme camps" were actually accepted in the listing, versus how many got placed.

If the Borg was more selective concerning the listing in the first place (which I think gave false hope to many), then there wouldn't be this disappointment. They knew that the available area was reduced from the get-go.

Skye2kx · Post by **Skye2kx** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:00 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:I think that the disconnect is how many "theme camps" were actually accepted in the listing, versus how many got placed.

Indeed.

I just spent the past week entering our events on the Playa Events Calendar (in order to meet the printed schedule deadline), which was very accommodating in allowing me to choose our camp (RhythmWave) from the pull-down list of "Hosted By" camps.

Ummmm.....

MozyBonz · Post by **MozyBonz** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:05 am

Fire_Moose wrote:That sucks...might as well not go this year

OK I wontâ€¦now people can torment you instead of me, for me not going this year.
Thinks to himself *not going* I feel kind of dizzy â€¦.I need to sit down.

Fire_Moose did itâ€¦. Blame him not me.
It was on fire when I got hereâ€¦
I donâ€™t know how that got into my pocketâ€¦.
Wasnâ€™t me I was in the back seat singingâ€¦.

He did it>>>> Points at Fire_Moose

Fire_Moose · Post by **Fire_Moose** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:30 am

I'm not going this year...sucks working for a school district...but I'll see ya out there for BurningMan X

Ruleryak · Post by **Ruleryak** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:34 am

Ok, read over every single post in this topic - checked my spam thoroughly on both addresses attached to the placement list - still have no idea what's going on. Even logged into the forms account to see if there was info there...

If I haven't received any emails specifically saying I'm rejected yet is it possible I could still get placement? Has anyone received actual placement info yet or are we all still waiting? Do they email everyone at once or trickle out assignments one at a time for weeks?

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help with these questions!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:38 am

Check your camp here.

Prometheus · Post by **Prometheus** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:30 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Check your camp here.

THANK YOU!!! for the link.

Ruleryak · Post by **Ruleryak** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:42 pm

Thank you for that link. We're not listed there so I suppose it's safe to assume we're not placed? So that's the way they handle it? Just post a list and offer absolutely no explanation? We followed every single rule, submitted a week early, wrote a gigantic completely hand written LNT, made our map ultra accurate, and planned our camp to be two thirds activity space (with round-the-clock activities) and only a third camping space... I'm just really disheartened because that represented almost an entire week of our time as a camp (writing and re-writing documentation for our camp to meet ALL requirements AND be submitted early)

We have friends coming from everywhere that we really wanted to be able to be able to give an address to because let's face it, most people will never ever go to playa info. It's out of the way and too congested nearly all of the time.

I'm sure I'm not the only one with these feelings. So now we get to join the land-grab but this year it's not just a dozen tiny camps hoping to secure large parcels of land, but well over 100 small to gigantic camps. Gotta say this is the saddest news I've had in a long time...

Before I get a dozen replies calling me ungrateful or whatever - I do appreciate the efforts of the burning man staff but I think this year they really made some major mistakes. I agree with every post in this topic suggesting that they should have just increased the theme camp space and given out more early passes. We now get to redo our plans to arrive a full day later and we get to deal with the fear that we may not be able to even find a place to setup this camp we've spent the entire last year of our freetime building and refining. Plus we now get to show up for the 7 hour long entry line after a nearly 1000 mile drive instead of just getting to get in and get setup. Yay.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:45 pm

I am so not going last year.

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:00 pm

Ruleryak wrote:Thank you for that link. We're not listed there so I suppose it's safe to assume we're not placed?

If your camp started with "the" be sure to look for it in the "t" section.

Ruleryak · Post by **Ruleryak** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:23 pm

oneeyeddick wrote:
Ruleryak wrote:Thank you for that link. We're not listed there so I suppose it's safe to assume we're not placed?
If your camp started with "the" be sure to look for it in the "t" section.

Thanks for the suggestion but we're not on there

Could be useful info for others though! So bummed, but oh well! I'm sure by halfway through the day Monday we'll be setup and from there on it'll be the same awesome times it always is

I'm REALLY dreading the massive opening day wait to get in and the land grab, but we have a relatively small camp so hopefully finding space shouldn't be too horrible.

Thanks all for the info, here's hoping we find somewhere other than the outer rim!

swampdog · Post by **swampdog** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:29 pm

For what it's worth, camps that put so much into it and didn't get placed have my sympathy. It sucks.

I'm not going to even try to guess what yardstick they used to reject any particular camp.

I think the idea of having a plan for unplaced camps to group together out on the outer rings is a really good one. Not only would it be easier to get big chunks of land, it might provide an alternate focal point - if all the action is out in Reject Village on L then it may pull people to spend time out on the outskirts, and to explore outward more.

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:10 pm

I agree 100% , but I doubt that all of those camps would want to be out there. It would make the walk?bike ride to the rest of the world unbearable.

swampdog · Post by **swampdog** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:32 pm

Quite true. As I was writing that I thought maybe I should put my camp where my mouth is and put my own self out on L but then realized that *I* wouldn't want to be so far out from center. Still, it might be some small consolation.

Here's something I can do that I just thought of. It won't take much time for me to set up my tiny camp on Monday, so I'll pledge some time on Monday to any rejected camp to help set up. From mmm:30 until oh, a couple hours later (on my playa watch). PM me if that sounds like something that might work for you.

swampdog · Post by **swampdog** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:02 pm

I put the placed camps list into a spreadsheet and counted 658 placed camps. 130 rejected camps means that about 1/6 of the total camp submissions were rejected. That's pretty steep.

Eventfarm · Post by **Eventfarm** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:20 pm

It really sucks ythat camps were not placed simply due to not enough space. It seems to me that hard work should be rewarded and camps should lose placement only for explainable reasons. I mean, did they randomly arrange the camps and just work down the list until they ran out of room? I hope there was more thought put into it than that..... and , if there was, then there should be at least some sort of explaination : "we did a first received, first placed process and you application was just 3 days too far down the list" or "we calculated the ratio of interactive to noninteractive space and ordered the camps. Your's was just to far down the list', etc,etc

Not getting placed is not the end of the world, but I'm sure the rejection is hard for those that don't know what they can do to help with placment next year.

I'm also thinking that the whole idea of the reason for theme camps is getting lost in the benefits for having a placed theme camp. I'm not sure I'm expressing that right... but it seems to me that you get a lot of benefits (early entry, specific space and placement, closest to the action, etc.). I wonder how many people have a theme camp solely for that reason.

Why not put theme camps on the outer ring? Gives it a lot more space, so all camps can be placed. The "action" would be split between art on the playa, the man, and theme camps. Theme camps could still set up on the esplanade, but they would't have an official placement.

Offer a raffle drawing for the set numer of early entry passes everyone can enter, you don't need to be part of a theme camp (exceptions to the approved art placement) - and now you've created a more fair environment. The rewards for being a theme camp are reduced, so I suspect theme camp requests and "bedroom camps" would be reduced as well..

I'm sure the placement team works very hard at this in such a short amount of time. However, I wonder if the whole process shouldn't be re-thought?

(But, hey, I'm a total noob, so just ignore all of the above.

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Token · Post by **Token** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:55 pm

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Patamon · Post by **Patamon** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:25 pm

Offer a raffle drawing for the set numer of early entry passes everyone can enter, you don't need to be part of a theme camp (exceptions to the approved art placement) - and now you've created a more fair environment. The rewards for being a theme camp are reduced, so I suspect theme camp requests and "bedroom camps" would be reduced as well.. )

Just curious, under this raffle system, how would that work exactly?

Lets say Root Society needs 30 people for early entry to setup all that shit they bring out every year, and the Raffle Gods randomly give them 4 slots.

Meanwhile, Joe and Billy bob who like to come to BM and drink beer and stare at titties luckout and get 2 early entry passes.

Are you saying that this raffle system should allow this kind of situation to arrise? 4 guys spend the days prior to the event working their ass off to setup Root society while Joe and Billybob setup their lawn chairs and break out the PBR?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:27 pm

But, hey, I'm a total noob, so just ignore all of the above.

i did, dont worry.

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:50 pm

I am wondering if maybe it did come down to a first come/first serve basis ?

I don't hear anyone yet saying they got thier plans in nice and early, yet those camps/villages that I know of that did, absolutely got thier placement.

please, someone prove me wrong.........?

motskyroonmatick · Post by **motskyroonmatick** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:01 pm

I was a week or maybe just a little more before the deadline. I got placed. I tried to do as well as I could on the application with special attention placed on the camp layout(with dimensions) and LNT plan.

motskyroonmatick · Post by **motskyroonmatick** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:08 pm

I was a week or maybe just a little more before the deadline. I got placed. I tried to do as well as I could on the application with special attention placed on the camp layout(with dimensions) and LNT plan.

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:09 pm

Thanks for that...my previous statement was starting to make sense in my own little head, now I can carry on with the chaos that is consuming us all in regards to this process and how it worked.

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