Burners In Eugene Oregon??

bluemonkey05 · Post by **bluemonkey05** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:29 am

Just moved to Eugene! I was a part of The Messiah Complex from Klamath Falls this year. I don't know many people up here.. thought i'd seek out the burners.[color=red][/color][size=18][/size]

regionalchaos · Post by **regionalchaos** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:23 pm

bluemonkey05 wrote:Just moved to Eugene! I was a part of The Messiah Complex from Klamath Falls this year. I don't know many people up here.. thought i'd seek out the burners.

We're here! You just missed a local decompression. There are a ton of burners in Eugene. The Oregon Country Fair is very well represented, and the Swinger's Lounge is mainly a bunch of Eugene folk.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:48 pm

Yeah, I'm here too. Damn, wish I'd known about the decomp!
I didn't make it to the Burn this year owing to cancer surgery, but I'm doing better. There was a Eugene Burners list that I ran but I took it down due to non-participation. A year without posts, what's up with dat!?

Anyway, hoping we'll be seeing a bit more activity...

B-Rella · Post by **B-Rella** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:03 pm

I don't think I qualify as a burner, as 2006 will be my first year. After years of putting it off, saying someday, then hitting Labor Day weekend with neither the time nor the resources to go - I am now committed to going in 2006, have started saving, planning, scheming! I just moved to Eugene from Seattle this summer and would love to talk to burners about their experiences and advice. Next year I am going with a wedding party of Seattle friends, but that doesn't mean I can't camp hop or have guests. We are not planning a theme (other than wedding night, I suppose - but that is not something a lot of people can participate in {at least for this couple}) But I am willing to help other camps on their builds and stuff, if an extra pair of semi-skilled hands are needed. I also want to bring an art project to share, but have little space in my hatch-back, after the 20 gallons of water. Any experience with easily collapsable, light weight but sturdy structures? This would nostly be supporting painted cloth and banner-things.
B-Rella

regionalchaos · Post by **regionalchaos** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:02 pm

You might want to look for PVC or other similar stuff that you could tie down to the roof of your car. Space hasn't been an issue so much for me as the group I go with usually rents a moving van. My project for 2005 was a full sized pool table. It kicked ass!

willowRage · Post by **willowRage** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:44 am

B-Rella said "Any experience with easily collapsible, light weight but sturdy structures? This would mostly be supporting painted cloth and banner-things."

I'm a Portland Burner, though I do come to Eugene for play parties, who is working on just that sort of thing. Don't know if you are on tribe.net or not but there is a lot of burner chatter on there.
http://bm.tribe.net/ is just one of many tribes for Burners.

I'm am member of another tribe called http://aerodrome.tribe.net/ called BRC Engineering Corps.

One of my pet projects leading up to 2006 experimenting with designs to create a simple structure that is sturdy, lightweight, and easy to build. Currently I'm working with 1 inch PCV pipe to create a skeleton. Once I find a design I like I will replace it with 2 inch PVC. As the year goes on I'll update the BRC Engineering tribe with my progress. At the moment one design is my back yard. It's been there for a month and is withstanding wind and rain beautifully, the grass is now dead underneath it.

B-Rella · Post by **B-Rella** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:25 pm

I am thinking PVC for my set-up in a 3-D triangle (trihedron?- one less side than a pyramid) but I want it to bit a little bit flexible/whippy without going down in the high wind. I can't think of any way to really test that up here in the damp and mellow northwest. It may be one of those things that I will just have to try and see (and stake down really well with rebar candy canes.
willowRage, I will keep an eye on the tribe.net sites you posted to see how this progresses. I am guessing you are upgrading from 1" to 2" PVC to reduce the amount of wobble in your structure? Or do you think the thicker is needed for the extra tensile strength? Would 1" flat out break under the 70-100mph winds I keep reading about?

willowRage · Post by **willowRage** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:27 pm

My nick on tribe is Danger Girl that should help you find me.

A trihedral shape can work but there will be lot of stress put on the leeward strut. If I were going to build a trihedron I would use 3 inch PVC pipe. It's large but the thicker wall and the diameter make it significantly stronger.
This past year there were wind gusts Saturday-Monday upwards of 60+mph. A structure has to withstand that.

I didn't believe when people told me I had to make it able to withstand such winds and I created a 20' main pole for a 100' diameter tent made of 2 inch steel... in the winds Monday it totally bent. We had to take it down and cut it in half, making it 10 feet high. If we had not done that the steel pole likely would have snapped or otherwise collapsed on people in our tent.

Ask yourself what advantage there is to a trihedral shape? Why don't you see them more often on the playa? Why not make a more structurally sound pyramid? Is steel the best way to go? How large will your structure be? Will there be permeable or non-permeable material used on the sides.

If I may geek out for a moment, the larger diameter has to do with it's ability to resist shear which increases the uniaxial stress-strain curve. Winds produce shear forces on objects not parallel to the direction of the wind. Ultimately the forces on a strut can reach a point of 'shear yielding' where the fails (bends or breaks). Tensile is if you are pulling a load on the length of the pole.

willowRage · Post by **willowRage** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:50 pm

Seems I didn't answer all your questions.

"I am guessing you are upgrading from 1" to 2" PVC to reduce the amount of wobble in your structure? Or do you think the thicker is needed for the extra tensile strength? Would 1" flat out break under the 70-100mph winds I keep reading about?"

I'd be surprised if a 100mph wind has been recorded there. 70 though possible. A PVC structure will have a degree of wiggle regardless of what you do. 1 inch would be ok if there was never a wind over ~20mph. Of course one has to anticipate an average of 40mph with gusts of 60. That's a reasonable range of expected conditions.

1' PVC would be a very bad choice for a trihedral shape. 1 EMT might work if the sides were short and at an oblique angle from the central vertex.

B-Rella · Post by **B-Rella** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:45 pm

The structure I want to build is not for shade or shelter. Triangular cotton (or silk if I can afford it) fabric will be mounted to the structure with airbrush paintings on the material. I am planning to slice vents throughout the material and sew streamers/flags to the vents to allow the wind to come through. Max height would be 10ft. and each side would be 5-7ft wide. I want the wind to play with it, move the fabric and perhaps sway the structure, but all without collapsing or tumbling down the playa. I want people to be able to walk inside it just for the feeling of the streamers, and the sound of the (hopefully silk) fabric moving in the wind.

Pyramidal base would be fine. I was thinking that 3 sides would look more interesting as you approach it (either only one side straight visible or 2 angled sharply away) but 4 gives a nice conceptual symmetry as well as being more structurally sound.

Aside from all that, I think I am going to go with 2" PVC after reading willowRage's reply and reasoning.

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regionalchaos · Post by **regionalchaos** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:46 pm

If it will be an installation I would go with metal or wood, something ridged. Are you afraid the wind would tear the fabric?

I think you would be better off using plywood, or a press board or something as the walls instead, unless you want to have a light under it. There is a stretchy fabric that I have seen a lot of people use, seems kinda ideal for something like that maybe...

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:55 pm

You might also want to look into bamboo as your frame material. We got tons of it all over the place around here — just get on EugeneFreeRecycle or GleanMachine or even the Portland/Salem Freecycle lists and ask if anyone wants their bamboo stand preyed upon.

Bamboo is light, easy to work and at least as strong as PVC. Plus it's nicer-looking, IMO. Best of all, it costs less than PVC. As much as I love that store, don't get it at Down To Earth, you can pick up bamboo for free.

B-Rella · Post by **B-Rella** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:56 pm

hmmm, bamboo is a good thought! I haven't any real experience with it, though. Should it be harvested shortly before being taken to the desert, or should it season?

Post by **AntiM** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:27 pm

Seasoned bamboo will be lighter and more rigid, green bamboo is hefty with lots of flex. YMMV with different diameters, species, lengths, etc. Do be sure to strip all the leaves off before you leave home, less MOOP that way.

My Home for Wayward Art is basically 2x4s and chicken wire anchored to the side of our utility trailer. The art is held on with clothespins. We attach banners and hangings in the shade structure with spring clamps and have never had an issue with wind taking anything down.

Spring clamps rock.

Burners In Eugene Oregon??

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