Tried out those No Rinse body cleaners.

happy · Post by **happy** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:02 pm

Worked Great. Used a 1 liter pesticide sprayer with the No Rinse Body Bath (not the Body Wash, which I found to be much less impressive) Spray down with the body bath, all over, face, head, hair, shave, spray face some more, dry off with paper towel, done, also it maybe helps to dry off with something you can throw away. Since the "solution to polution is dilution" and your not dilutin the polutin all that much and the towel will be mega funky really fast.

The 1 liter sprayer was more than enough water and I'm a hard to please shower zealot and this felt plenty clean to me on less than 1 liter.

Post by **Eric** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:57 pm

I love this stuff! I've used both the Body Bath & the No Rinse shampoo the last two years and have been extremely happy!

s5 · Post by s5 » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:16 am

Probably not much different than ye olde baby wipe shower. Perhaps it's just baby wipe juice in a bottle?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:28 am

37000 paper towel users. that should be more than a few trees dead. murdered to wipe your sorry asses. the face towels i used will have to be boiled before washing. it is just not that hard to take a dirty towel home and wash it for next year. the "old" army would teach there troops to take a bath in there helmets. It is called a spit bath. the water left you wash your socks in.

Post by **Eric** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:34 pm

Unjon- I use cloth towels, not paper towels. They come home, get washed, get re-used. I bring multiple washclothes for cleaning the grime, and usually 2-3 towels, one for the daily "maintainence" washing of my face, feet, hands and... bits..., the other two for the few full body washes I bother with.

S5- it's not the same stuff as baby wipes- it was designed for use in nursing homes & hospitals, and is also used by NASA. Baby-wipes have never gotten me as clean! Not super cheap, but a little goes a long ways.

http://www.norinse.com/

happy · Post by **happy** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:44 pm

The great thing about tree is that it grows on trees. Use whatever drying mechanism fits your sensabilities, personally, I grew up around cotton farms and oil fields so I have a distaste for cotton (petro chem industry) and synthetics (petro chem industry)

Steven bradford · Post by **Steven bradford** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:07 pm

Thank god there is plenty of pure water for unjohn to boil is shit in.

Lysergic · Post by **Lysergic** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:01 am

Trees may grow but it's goddamn slow, not to mention wasteful! So do mother nature and yourself a favor and do hemp instead

Fast growing Hemp towels for all!

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:33 am

"37000 paper towel users. that should be more than a few trees dead."

Those were trees that were specifically planted to produce paper. Stop using it and those trees won't get planted to begin with. Paper producers are the largest planter of trees in the world and they plant fast growing varieties developed for paper production. Reduce the demand for that paper and the land gets sold off to developers who build houses out of wild wood rather than paper from farmed wood.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:49 am

geekster spoke<snipe>

you must never have seen the rape of the forest in Or. Home of the wolds largest paper producer. The farmed trees are for news print only in this neck of the woods They are cotten wood. Not native to Or.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:00 am

Depends on the part of the country, generally. Native wood is most often sold for lumber because there is more margin than for pulp. Stuff grown for pulp is often pine and poplar in the east. Continental Can used to be one of the largest paper producers in the Southeast because of the need for can labels but in any case, it is off the topic and for that I apologize. Was trying to point out that there is often a bigger picture and things aren't always what they seem. Paper producers want quck turn around on their tree crops and the wood doesn't need to be of high quality. Lumber is a different story.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:16 pm

So pick up some recycled paper towels. Yesterday's newspapers can be tomorrow's ashes in a coffee can in the boot of your car and tilled into your garden soil the next day.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:08 pm

Useing those body washes is no being very green. They are going to end up in a land fill. I use towels and boil them to get them clean. Or paper towels that can go in the worm bed.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:17 pm

unjonharley wrote:I use towels and boil them to get them clean.

What do you do with the greywater? Or do you bring multiple towels and stick them in a laundry bag to bring home and clean?

Not badgering, just exploring the pros and cons.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:03 pm

diane o'thirst wrote:
unjonharley wrote:I use towels and boil them to get them clean.
What do you do with the greywater? Or do you bring multiple towels and stick them in a laundry bag to bring home and clean?

Not badgering, just exploring the pros and cons.

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I clean them after I get back to Salem.. I'm a single camper and carry the greywater out too.. Will be playing with a evap everyone is onto right now..

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:31 pm

unjonharley wrote:I clean them after I get back to Salem.. I'm a single camper and carry the greywater out too.. Will be playing with a evap everyone is onto right now..

Okay, sounds good.
This past year, I did a combination of all three: I brought multiple towels, and *also* took spit baths, and oil baths. I had a greywater evap pond, which didn't work especially well (mostly because I couldn't find the black tarp and didn't use the configuration my friend Stranjbrew came up with). So I brought multiple dirty towels, and greywater back, and washed the towels.

That worked...alright, but I spent a fortnight washing the Playa out of all my gear, clothes, towels, et alia. This is wasteful in the extreme, so I thought I need to execute a more workable and less energy-intensive strategy in regards to washing. I'm a shower freak, too.

I like the sound of this No-Rinse body cleaner and I'm thinking that using <b>recycled</b> paper towels, for drying off, and for other uses around camp, and then burning them and carrying the ashes out for use in a compost pile and/or planting beds back home, would be a lot more practical as well as being more environmentally friendly (not to mention logistically more workable — paper towels having a smaller load footprint than big fluffy cotton ones). I wound up carrying greywater home for dumping into the Willamette, and created EVEN MORE greywater on top of that. Baaaaad Wolf...

I'm going with the No-Rinse and recycled paper towels this year.

Post by **Eric** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:14 pm

diane o'thirst wrote:I like the sound of this No-Rinse body cleaner and I'm thinking that using <b>recycled</b> paper towels, for drying off, and for other uses around camp, and then burning them and carrying the ashes out for use in a compost pile and/or planting beds back home....(edited)

Diane- buy the No Rinse now (or before BMan) and give it a try. I always recommend test runs before bringing something out to the playa.

Your technique sounds good. I'm not a shower freak, so I do one or two full bodies a week (I'm only out there 8 days or so), though this year I only did one, so if you're a daily shower-er it might be different for you. I bring two towels and a couple of wash-clothes. Use one wash-cloth per "shower", but can use a one towel for two washes usually- the wash-cloth seems to get most of the grime.

I do hae a slightly off-topic question: how do the oil cleanings work for you? I understand the basic idea, but I'm natural a bit more....um... oily and it seems to me I would feel dirtier afterwards, not cleaner.

Maybe I should use my own advise and try before I go to the playa?

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:27 pm

The oil baths work fine. I discovered their efficacy in '01 when we had a writhe pit in Water Woman and they doused us in apricot pit oil. I'd been out there a week and was starting to exhibit some pretty severe alkali burn, but the oil reset my skin to Defaultia Zero.

I use a mixture of olive oil, melted cocoa butter, coconut oil and orange oil. Oil instantly emulsifies any dirt it comes in contact with, lifting it out of your pores so you can just take a sweat scraper, bowl scraper or plastic squeegee and scrape it away. You don't need a lot, maybe 1/4 cup per bath. Be sure to have a plastic container to stand in/over. Might work better for girls than guys (not as hairy) but the Gladiators bathed that way. You can add some scented essential oil but it smells pretty good for a start.

My skin stayed real soft and cleaned up fast afterwards, I oiled my feet at least twice a day and only built up a couple extra layers of skin on my feet and on my left index finger.

Side note of my own: I left the shampoo at home and washed my hair with a Burt's Bees shampoo bar. It...worked okay, for a little while. My skin was fine but my hair was THRASHED by midweek.

chup · Post by **chup** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:56 am

White Vinegar in a spray bottle works well also...Gets you clean, the smell goes away quickly and it is very cheap. Never tried it on my hair though. Doesn't seem to dry out the skin to much.

Take Care

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:30 am

My grandmother showed me the oil thing.. I came in after working on farm machinery all day.. She put a gob of lard on my hands.. Rub it in and news paper to wipe it off.. Soap and water did the rest.. Even worked it under the finger nails..
The vinegar wold work for a spit bath..Not on my head though, it turns my hair red.. When we had a windy year on the playa.. I have used that waterless hand cleaned on the pits and face..Then had to get under cover and lube the face.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:05 am

I have tried the no rinse towelettes and the liquid with that same results.. you wont smell as sexy as with the oils but what they hay do both. As far as evap ponds go.. you dont really need a tarp per say.. just something BLACK! I used plastic sheeting to test build mine last week. You want something towards the thick side so it doesnt get screwed up and can be reused.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:34 pm

Yeah, my friends used a pond liner. Have you priced those things lately?!?

It was "Evap pond or a tank of gas to get there, CHOOSE ONE."

I tried using clear plastic and spraying it black with Fusions, but that didn't work out. The paint scratched real easy and I didn't want to take the chance of it melting/MOOPing. My friends used the "black plywood round on top of three feet of hardware cloth in a kiddie pool" configuration and I heard good things about it, so I'll probably do that. 500gph pumps are selling for $10 around here.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:42 pm

In the water heater dept. of Home Depot you can get a pan that go's under the heaters.. They are large and black pvc.. They would well take care of a single camper.. Has a spout for draining too. Two prices so get the cheap one.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:44 pm

Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out and see if the price jibes up with a 3' kiddie pool from Fred Meyer.

phil · Post by **phil** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:55 pm

Our gray water plan for next year is to take it over to the Leave No Trace camp about 4:00 am and pour it out there.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:00 pm

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Tried out those No Rinse body cleaners.

Tried out those No Rinse body cleaners.

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