Liquid Nails ?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:09 pm

Some one tell me about Liquid Nails.. How well dose it work?. Will it hold on in the playa heat.. Or any other storys about the stuff.. I plan to use it on some small trim work for now.. That way there no nails to set, wood to split, or nail heads to fill. Right??

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:02 pm

Never used the stuff, but I have torn shit off the wall that was glued on with
the stuff... I'd use it for day to day around the house.. Playa heat?? not sure.. good stuff

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:23 pm

I prefer Liquid Nails for projects around here. It's what I used on my box trailer and it's made 4 trips to the playa without fuss. I don't think you'll go wrong with it.

SED · Post by **SED** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:03 pm

Pretty good, but they tend to evaporate in the heat and freeze when it gets really cold.

Mozy bonz · Post by **Mozy bonz** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:07 pm

The eplaya bar was put together with screws and Liquid Nails works great on playa.

SED · Post by **SED** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:13 pm

And yet ultimately the whole thing came apart.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:19 pm

SED wrote:And yet ultimately the whole thing came apart.

And I do recall that you were right in the middle of it helping with the deconstruction....that is when you weren't soaking your feet in that cooler! Liquid Nails is no match against a group like that!

Mozy bonz · Post by **Mozy bonz** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:42 pm

Only came apart where it was meant too. Ez loading Ez unloading...

Zhust · Post by **Zhust** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:41 am

On the Facing Our Fears project by Sondra Carr (the white thing with the cast faces between the Man and Center Camp) we used Liquid Nails for the faces that were not load-bearing. That is, the big faces that people could step on were bolted on through the hydrocal casting whereas the thinner ones or the ones on the sloped parts were put on with Liquid Nails.

We found the trick was to be very generous. Smear onto both surfaces and leave about a 3/16" gap of Liquid Nails between the face and the surface. We did have a few that popped off, and found that impacts and vibration would tend to make them pop (at least I did when we were taking it apart and I dropped one of the panels on the ground flat and one of the faces popped off).

Ron · Post by **Ron** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:29 am

I've used liquid nails for construction in unheated/cooled attic spaces, stage projects, and duck blinds. It works great if you've got the time to let it set and you won't have a problem with the heat. Generally I use it in combination with screws/nails but that's just me. One consideration for playa use, once you've smeared that generous glob of liquid nails on your board you can't, in good conscious, burn that sucker....

Ron

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:49 am

unjonharley wrote:Some one tell me about Liquid Nails.. How well dose it work?. Will it hold on in the playa heat.. Or any other storys about the stuff.. I plan to use it on some small trim work for now.. That way there no nails to set, wood to split, or nail heads to fill. Right??

For sheet material attached to a frame -- w/o fasteners, the glue line will pop if the frame is prone to any amount of warping. With or w/o glue, fasteners alternately driven at opposing angles will suck the material down to the frame.

If burning resin glue or other foreign material were a concern, you wouldn't want to burn anything but volcanic rock. Good luck igniting it.

SED · Post by **SED** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:58 am

Mozy bonz wrote:Only came apart where it was meant too. Ez loading Ez unloading...

I guess I'd like to see it put back together . . .

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:14 pm

Okay- I kinda felt left out. AND it's time for me to revive the GOOP thread, but for now:

DON'T use GOOP for large-scale construction applications. While it WILL cure eventually, it needs air to do it and can still be juicy in the middle after days, even weeks. But it's GREAT where you can get air to the surface, like in perforated metal, as it can flex and avoid the annoying pop-off phenomenon that Bob describes.
Generally, I'm trying to avoid glue and any fasteners that require power to install or remove- That way you're not a slave to your cordless drill. Also makes for a better challenge at the design stage. Everything I've brought for the last several years has been made of precut and predrilled 2x4", 3/4" plywood and 3/8" bolts, nuts and washers. Everything wood-based, that is- Then there's lotsa conduit struts. And at week's end you can either donate clean building materials or just burnbabyburn, knowing that the Earth Guardians'll leave you alone.

Mozy bonz · Post by **Mozy bonz** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:58 pm

I guess it depends on what you are building. The letters where glued on. The panels where glued and screwed then pined together on site with door hinges and a small amount of screws. It was made to reuse over and over again not to burn. Panels can be changed out to change the look of the bar. It has 20 gallons of paint on it. Made to last but still breaks down into the back of a pickup. Glue worked great for me so I guess it’s all with what you are building on how it will work for you. I have 50 tubes of glue in the bar.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:16 pm

That is a neat bar..I stoped by during the day and asked for a drink of water..You can sure tell your folks don't do water.. It took a min or so to find some thing to put water in..He the asked two people where to get water. Thank tho for the drnik..I had ranged out farther than I figured I would.

Mozy bonz · Post by **Mozy bonz** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:39 pm

Yes not having more water to gift was one of my regrets…we did give away a flat of water. I was really surprised how may people go out with no water or even a cup. We where a no cup bar... but ended up giving allot out to people. No cups where to keep down on moop.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:43 am

Mozy bonz wrote:Yes not having more water to gift was one of my regrets…we did give away a flat of water. I was really surprised how may people go out with no water or even a cup. We where a no cup bar... but ended up giving allot out to people. No cups where to keep down on moop.

/ I do have a collapseing water glass in the camp gear. It's used to take meds. I will remember to put it in the day pack.

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:09 am

One day, the camp supply folks will wise up and make a collapsable pint mug. Meanwhile, you gave me a good gifting idea....

timburly · Post by **timburly** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:18 am

I know this is off subject of liquid nails BUT get a clipy mug, its a metal mug with a carabiner for the handle. It clips anywhere and you always have somthing to put wonderful playa mixes in.

I usually get a few every year and hand them out to the virgins in camp.

As for liquid nails, keep away from the stuff on the playa, its messy, full of chemicals, and you can't burn it. Just my two cents

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:37 am

Why, because Liquid Nails is made from bunnies?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:42 am

Bob wrote:Why, because Liquid Nails is made from bunnies?

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HeH HEh hEH!!!!!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:52 am

A good subfloor rated adhesive beats out liquid nails.
I can't remember the one I prefer.
Ask around the construction trade.
Effectiveness depends on joints.
I have replaced structural walls and floor sections with laminated boards and subfloor adhesive through bolted together.
I think F-69 is what I use, but not the only good one.
Gorilla glue is a polyurethane that cures quickly, but not flexible.
You need something to flex with the wood.
I used standard hide glue on my bench. It holds.

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