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Hexayurt dimensions

Post by mattcamp » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:22 am

So while working on plans for the camp I've noticed something a little odd...

All the diagrams I can find of a standard 8' (H12) hexayurt (the one with 8x4' sides) list the overall dimensions of the yurt as being 16' x 13'10".

When drawing it out in Omnigraffle however using this size results in a really weird looking hexagon... so I measured out the length of the walls and found when you actually draw a hexagon using 8' long walls the overall dimensions are 16' x 15'10".

Have I done something wrong here, or are images such as the below incorrect?

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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by burner von braun » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:16 am

Hi mattcamp,

I did a quick architect drawing of the H12, and it appears to me that the dimensions in the diagram are correct. These are outside dimensions from one corner to the opposite corner (16'), or from one flat side to the opposite flat side (13' 10"). Those dimensions could vary a tiny bit depending on if you bevel your edges I suppose, and likely will have a margin of error of an inch or so when you set it up onplaya, depending on how windy it is during your set up :D

Good luck with your yurt!
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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by MFOB » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:15 am

Why do you care? When you build it, it is what it is.
These angles are all fenced up!

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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by lucky420 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:53 am

bwahahaaha yep^^
Oh my god, it's HUGE!

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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by LionsNzebras » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:33 pm

The research is sound, but it looks like your not accounting for the beveled edge as suggested, or this has been miscalculated.

As always, research, then build it, take it down, fix the issues and build it again!
Once your building on the playa there is very little room to fix anything, it is what it is, and you have to live with that your whole burn.

Take the time to do all the steps, and you will be more than happy with the finished results.
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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by mattcamp » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:56 pm

Hmm... ok something must be wrong with the 2d model I drew then.

2 feet per yurt difference is quite a bit, and adds up to quite a lot of room when you have 8-10 yurts in your camp.

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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by maladroit » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:25 pm

Knowing exactly how big it is makes a difference when you choose your ground tarp.

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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by LionsNzebras » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:09 am

mattcamp wrote:Hmm... ok something must be wrong with the 2d model I drew then.

2 feet per yurt difference is quite a bit, and adds up to quite a lot of room when you have 8-10 yurts in your camp.
The drawing is perfect the way it is, you need to build it and fit all the parts, number them if you so choose, so you can put it together with minimal light, in 30mph winds during a white out hehe.
How many pictures have you seen of people building?
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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by mattcamp » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:28 am

Yeah, it was just omnigraffle being weird... the standard hexagon shape it has isn't actually a true even-sided hex.

Once I drew it out using individual panels and the right angles everything matched up with the expected dimensions.

Sadly test building isn't an option since I'm in the UK.... I've built yurts at BM before however but we're planning a significant increase in the number of them this year (and hopefully reduction in the numbers of RVs!) so I need to do some careful space planning to fit everything in.

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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by LionsNzebras » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:12 am

mattcamp wrote:Yeah, it was just omnigraffle being weird... the standard hexagon shape it has isn't actually a true even-sided hex.

Once I drew it out using individual panels and the right angles everything matched up with the expected dimensions.

Sadly test building isn't an option since I'm in the UK.... I've built yurts at BM before however but we're planning a significant increase in the number of them this year (and hopefully reduction in the numbers of RVs!) so I need to do some careful space planning to fit everything in.
Yeah dont ship a yurt across the pond! hehe.
Do you have anyone local that can test build and get it going? Its a good idea, you know how building on the playa goes.
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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by Elderberry » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:54 am

mattcamp wrote:Yeah, it was just omnigraffle being weird... the standard hexagon shape it has isn't actually a true even-sided hex.

Once I drew it out using individual panels and the right angles everything matched up with the expected dimensions.

Sadly test building isn't an option since I'm in the UK.... I've built yurts at BM before however but we're planning a significant increase in the number of them this year (and hopefully reduction in the numbers of RVs!) so I need to do some careful space planning to fit everything in.
Test building is an option. Cut out a scale model out of cardboard. (any cardboard box will work.) scale to 1" = 1'.

The dimensions of the two fill size yurts above are exactly correct-- whether you bevel the edges or not. (well, as exactly correct as you could expect for anything put together with tape)

It's simple math. Your longest dimension is 8'. If you draw a circle with an 8' radius, the entire yurt will fix exactly within that circle. If your doing it on paper to scale, you can even use the compas to divide the circle to see exactly where your corners will go. Just place the compas on the edge of the circle you drew, and draw an arc. Move the point of the compas the where the arc intersected the circumference and draw another arc. When you're done you'll have what looks like a six petal flower inside your circle. Each petal point is where the walls line up.

We did this on the playa using an 8' rope for a compas on our floor tarp and it positioned the walls exactly where they should be. We don't do this anymore, we just more or less wiggle/drag them in place. Some people make the roof first and use the corners of the roof to mark the playa for the walls. We don't do that anymore either, as once you've built 30 or 40 of them you pretty much get the feel for it.
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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by mattcamp » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:32 am

LionsNzebras wrote: Yeah dont ship a yurt across the pond! hehe.
Do you have anyone local that can test build and get it going? Its a good idea, you know how building on the playa goes.
I've built them for previous years for myself so it's not so much a problem of knowing how, it's just that I never bothered to actually measure it exactly once it was built.

Our camp is significantly bigger this year and it looks like we might have 8 or more full size yurts, which is why I'm doing some quite careful space planning. The fact that Omnigraffle's built-in hexagon shape isn't a perfect hexagon resulted in each yurt measuring 2 feet larger on my map than all the other documentation says they should be... times this by 8-10 yurts and all of a sudden there was a lot of space used up on my layout plan that didn't need to be.

All sorted now though!

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Re: Hexayurt dimensions

Post by LionsNzebras » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:34 pm

mattcamp wrote:
LionsNzebras wrote: Yeah dont ship a yurt across the pond! hehe.
Do you have anyone local that can test build and get it going? Its a good idea, you know how building on the playa goes.
I've built them for previous years for myself so it's not so much a problem of knowing how, it's just that I never bothered to actually measure it exactly once it was built.

Our camp is significantly bigger this year and it looks like we might have 8 or more full size yurts, which is why I'm doing some quite careful space planning. The fact that Omnigraffle's built-in hexagon shape isn't a perfect hexagon resulted in each yurt measuring 2 feet larger on my map than all the other documentation says they should be... times this by 8-10 yurts and all of a sudden there was a lot of space used up on my layout plan that didn't need to be.

All sorted now though!
Put them in a circle, run your shade structure on the inside and have a party :)
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