2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

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2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by black » Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:38 pm

Hi all! This will be my first trip to Burning Man :P

I'm coming with my significant other, and we'll be bringing a white cargo van. My plan is to throw an air mattress in the back and sleep in it, and I have a camping shade structure that I plan on using, with some cots underneath for the heat of the day.

I've got some health issues and cannot afford to get overheated or freezing cold, and I need my sleep or I might as well not even come, so...

I'm thinking the van plus a couple of warm sleeping bags should keep me covered at night, but I also wanna make sure I can keep cool during the heat of the day. My shade structure being just nylon maybe isn't enough to block the sun's heat. :?:

Should I try to improve the light blocking abilities of my shade structure? I was thinking either to try and bond some space blankets to it, or those 1/2 in styrafoam panels with silver on one side that are used in construction. I plan to also have a personal mister and pocket fan, and use these in the really hot period.

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Re: 2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by danibel » Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:01 pm

black wrote:Hi all! This will be my first trip to Burning Man :P

I'm coming with my significant other, and we'll be bringing a white cargo van. My plan is to throw an air mattress in the back and sleep in it, and I have a camping shade structure that I plan on using, with some cots underneath for the heat of the day.

I've got some health issues and cannot afford to get overheated or freezing cold, and I need my sleep or I might as well not even come, so...

I'm thinking the van plus a couple of warm sleeping bags should keep me covered at night, but I also wanna make sure I can keep cool during the heat of the day. My shade structure being just nylon maybe isn't enough to block the sun's heat. :?:

Should I try to improve the light blocking abilities of my shade structure? I was thinking either to try and bond some space blankets to it, or those 1/2 in styrafoam panels with silver on one side that are used in construction. I plan to also have a personal mister and pocket fan, and use these in the really hot period.
Nylon will probably not be much to keep the heat of the day off of you, though some shade is better than none. Air flow is what matters. I sleep in a cargo van, and I can't stay in it past 8am or so, unless it's under my shade structure. It's too late to purchase a black rock shade, but you might be able to throw together a monkey hut. Even a small one that you could fit a kitchen/living room in would be great. You have the room for the long poles. Use a silver 100% UV blocking tarp.
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Re: 2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by BBadger » Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:31 pm

My friend did put one of those camping shade structures around his van and secured it to the wheels and other places. Then he put some tarps up to provide additional shade and covered up the windows. It might work, but it's not going to be much shade -- just what is over the van itself.

A monkey hut would be an excellent choice. You could even partially cover the van and still have some chill area.

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Re: 2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by ygmir » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:46 am

it's also a good opportunity to visit others! many places and camps have wonderful shade and comfortable surroundings. Maybe head out, at a slow pace with plenty of water, and find an oasis or two each day? People are very welcoming, and if you bring something to the party (witty tales, music, good discussion, magic tricks, etc), the heat of the day will pass.
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Re: 2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by Canoe » Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:35 am

How large is this cargo van?

Vehicles without some sort of treatment start becoming solar ovens shortly after the sun rises each day. If you need to sleep/rest inside beyond 8:00am, or have the cargo van as a refuge for yourself during the day, then you'll need to do something.

Your choices are limited by cost, your abilities and time to pull it off, and to install it on the playa. These include:
  1. Shading your van (with an air space between the shade structure and the van).
    Better is a large shade structure that shades your van down to the ground, so it also blocks radiated heat (like a large monkey-hut).
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  2. Build a small shade structure to retreat to when the van gets too hot.
    A monkey hut is great as its sides go to the ground to also protect from radiated heat.
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  3. Treat the van like an RV, with Reflectix heat-reflecting sheets taped over the outside of windows (and their frames) with red Stucco tape.
    You can custom cut the Reflectix to match glass size & shape, or just cut off a rectangle that covers the glass & frame.
    Large windows (windscreen) may need to be covered in two or three sections, so there's enough tape to hold it down in the wind.
    Essential to cover glass on the South, East & West sides. Also on the North, as heat radiates in even though the sun doesn't; but North windows can be covered on the inside (and you can cut a one inch square in the middle to let light in).
    As the van likely doesn't have any insulation in the walls and roof, you can do what some have done and cover the entire South-side of the van with reflectix; if you can do it safely, cover the roof too.
    This also keeps heat in on cool or cold nights (sometimes near freezing)
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  4. CHEAT: build a DIY swamp cooler: flip a switch and it will take fresh hot dry dusty playa air, cool it and blow the cooled (and moist & dust free) air into your van.
    This replaces the hot dry air inside the van, which needs to have an exhaust vent (preferably higher up in the structure so it's exhausting the hottest air first) to allow it to exhaust.
    Needs a container, pad, fan, pump, some tubing & power source. Some designs need some ducting. Very low power usage (a single deep-cycle battery will last most people the week on a single charge). It will need potable water. You only need to run it when you're inside and need cooling; no point in cooling the inside when you're not there.
    Head over to Figjam's swamp-cooler thread viewtopic.php?f=280&t=33842&start=3720 and find the latest summary of the designs. If you get on it, there's time to get the parts shipped in and assembled. Given the time left, I'd go with a ready-made container, be it the bucket design or a rectangular garbage pail for a box design.
Great if you can shade from the sun and heat so it doesn't get to the van in the first place, but the hot air still will. #1 and #2 will reduce the heat. As cooling is a necessity for you, shade with #4 is better idea.

#3 on the glass will be the easiest - and essential for glass in the sun. More effective if you can do the van's entire South side easily, and the roof. This will give you more time in the morning and reasonable temperatures during the day, except on very hot days.

#4 is the ace in the hole: flip a switch and you have instant cooling comfort.

As cooling is a necessity for you, I would strongly suggest:
  • Do #3, tape Reflectix covers over the glass & frames, with #4 swamp-cooler for on-demand instant cooling comfort.
  • Do not try to invent or modify a solution, nor substitute alternate materials. Go with playa-tested solutions that several people have found effective in the heat of the playa. If you need to modify/substitute something, then ask in the appropriate thread - many things have been tried on-playa and people can let you know if it will, won't or might work.
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Playa dust can be hard on electrical things on the playa. If your personal mister uses an electric fan/pump, it may fail. Make sure you have a few hand-held spray bottles as backup. They are great to walk around with: just spray a mist into the air and walk through it; share with others. Keep your hat moist and cool too.

Worst case:
For cooling your playa sleeping structure, look at what happens with the old tried and true method of cooling with a hand-held spray bottle (better ones from pro cleaning stores). Spray the mist, instant cooling; the dry hot (often dusty) air evaporates the mist, cooling. There's heat coming into the structure from outside and the people inside it are providing heat too. Over time with mist application, the inside becomes hot & humid. The mist no longer cools. The mist on you no longer cools. But if you open up the door and let dry hot (dusty) air replace the hot humid air inside (happens faster if there's a breeze), then you're back to your starting point (hot dry air in your structure) and you can mist again and experience some cool.
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Re: 2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by Various » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:58 pm

I sleep in a cargo van under a shade structure. Build a FIGJAM bucket cooler and stick it in the front seat and you'll be a lot more comfortable than in just the cargo van. Extra blankets if it gets into the 30s like last year.

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Re: 2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by maladroit » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:51 am

I would like to say that while the suggestions above are very detailed and useful for improving on-playa comfort, NONE of this is a 100% solution. If your health situation requires avoiding temperature extremes at all times, THIS CANNOT BE GUARANTEED AT BURNING MAN. Regardless of all the comforts people bring from home, it's all run close to the edge of collapse...it is a remote location and anything can happen. A massive windstorm could destroy most structures. A rain storm could halt all inflow of fuel and water for days at a time. These events could be accompanied by inability of anyone...even emergency services...to enter and leave the playa.

If experiencing temperature extremes will have a serious impact on your health, Burning Man is not for you...unless you're willing and prepared to take the consequences of rolling the dice.

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Re: 2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by Chowski » Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:37 am

I have an $11.00 solution. Go to Home Despot, buy a new, clean garden sprayer (one of those bottles you use to spray pesticide), fill it with fresh clean water, and mist yourself whenever you get too uncomfortable. Voila!

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Re: 2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by mudpuppy000 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:12 am

Yeah, a squirt bottle works wonders, especially when it's dry and windy. Ice packs will cool you down really quick too. They also have evaporative cooling vests that you soak in water and it will keep you cool for hours.

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Re: 2 person camp - sufficient cool area?

Post by Savannah » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:08 pm

I would like to add that a UV umbrella or parasol may help you in the heat of the day, as would a cool pack on the back of your neck. (My friend Nate loves his cooling bandanna; look those up!)

It was very, very cold last year, during the last few evenings. Make sure you've got a coat suitable for 40F, and maybe some fleece pajamas and an extra blanket to go with those sleeping bags.

Yggy's right . . . most people are very welcoming, and there are lots of camps with shade you can visit during the day and a number of Burn barrels to stand next to at night. You can also stop in the shade at Emergency Services:
Stations are located at 5:15 and Esplanade and behind the 3:00 and 9:00 Plazas. We will also have three smaller satellite stations behind the 4:30 and 7:30 Plazas on H, and between the Temple and the Man. All are easily identified by a large lit red cross. Trained emergency medical personnel are on duty 24 hours a day and emergency evaluations are available.
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