PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by silvergirl70 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:19 am

homo ardentum wrote:Good luck with your project! Those costco carports are practically bombproof but probably overkill for your needs. I've seen similar setups to what you've posted and a lot were massive fails after only a moderate windstorm in 2015. You should take a look at this site. This type of structure will hold up well and you can custom design it to fit your needs. You can get different shade cloth too.

Shade structure

I've gotten fittings here: http://www.canopymart.com/canopy-fitting-selection.html

Best of luck!
Hmm. I don't want structural failure!! Whaaa. I did look at your site. Just out of curiosity, would only need like 1-2 "cubes'" to cover the tent. It seems that this is more stable the more components one adds. But...looks like a brick shithouse. :P
Also, checked out the link. The site has a 10X 16' steel framed one, would need to add shade to sides. How do you nail it down to the playa?
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by lucky420 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:15 am

silvergirl70 wrote:I hear the swamp coolers work better in the yurts. I don't have a good power source for one (marine battery or generator).
We had this somewhat anemic fan last year that offered no respite except to blow hot air from point A to B. I think reducing the in-tent heat with shade will still be helpful.

I'm sure your shade will serve you well. I just don't feel like fucking with it as I'm an early riser. Ill be watching this post to see your progress though. :coffee:
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by AntiM » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:32 am

The trick with the figjam bucket is a strong fan, and a place for the air to exit. We hook ours directly to a little solar panel, because we only need it when the sun is up. It sits outside the tent, with the snorkel coming in the side of the front door, and the back window sipped open just a bit. We also have a comforter thrown over the tent, and are under a carport. Shade and insulation make a world of difference.

Swamp coolers do not work optimally if they're in the same space with you, or if there is not an exit/exhaust for the air to be pushed out.

Our little tent gets so cool I have to have a quilt over me if I take a daytime nap in the tent.

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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by JohnEBGud » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:18 am

AntiM wrote:The trick with the figjam bucket is a strong fan, and a place for the air to exit. We hook ours directly to a little solar panel, because we only need it when the sun is up. It sits outside the tent, with the snorkel coming in the side of the front door, and the back window sipped open just a bit. We also have a comforter thrown over the tent, and are under a carport. Shade and insulation make a world of difference.

Swamp coolers do not work optimally if they're in the same space with you, or if there is not an exit/exhaust for the air to be pushed out.
I agree with all you say. My figjam cooler is the stock design with the recommended fan. You can definitely build beefier evap coolers, and the figjam thread has some designs, but you just can't stick a larger fan in the bucket version and expect a better result. You also have to increase the surface area of the pads and water pump capability.
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by homo ardentum » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:15 pm

silvergirl70 wrote:
homo ardentum wrote:Good luck with your project! Those costco carports are practically bombproof but probably overkill for your needs. I've seen similar setups to what you've posted and a lot were massive fails after only a moderate windstorm in 2015. You should take a look at this site. This type of structure will hold up well and you can custom design it to fit your needs. You can get different shade cloth too.

Shade structure

I've gotten fittings here: http://www.canopymart.com/canopy-fitting-selection.html

Best of luck!
Hmm. I don't want structural failure!! Whaaa. I did look at your site. Just out of curiosity, would only need like 1-2 "cubes'" to cover the tent. It seems that this is more stable the more components one adds. But...looks like a brick shithouse. :P
Also, checked out the link. The site has a 10X 16' steel framed one, would need to add shade to sides. How do you nail it down to the playa?
The beauty of this type of setup is that you order to fittings for the "cubes" you want and buy the steel electrical tubing at your local hardware store. Then you cut the tubing to any size you want your cubes to be. These structures and others are typically fastened to the playa by 12" to 16" lag bolts that you just screw in. So get a couple cheap 10x20 tarps and fasten them to your structure. Do you want fashion or function? Tough call...

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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by homo ardentum » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:50 pm

Found another thread for you:
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Post by silvergirl70 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:14 pm

ZigZag wrote: Consider using the tie down ropes that ran from rebar- to rebar within the PVC rib. I only did that in every other rib (4 of 7) but it really contributed to the overall stability of the structure. It was the a great technique even though it was not visible.
Zigzag: Question...how did you thread the rope thru the PVC? Did you push it through with a smaller piece of PVC, or did it just slide through? Did you pre-thread them before getting to the playa? I think this is one of those things that will drive me batty nuts if it doesn't work well. I was wondering how to keep this whole contraption safely attached to the playa without becoming a projectile. Other option is to tie down the aluminet through the grommets to secure rebar anchors along the long axis of the structure (and using ratchet straps as you did on the open ends of the structure).
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Post by Ratty » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:07 am

Silvergirl, It doesn't have to look like 'a brick shithouse'. Decorating it is the fun part.
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Post by silvergirl70 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:21 pm

Hi Ratty

Haha. Of course I don't want it to 'look' like a brick shithouse, I want it to have the strength of a brick shithouse and the grace of a desert oasis. Form above function, but not forgetting function. I have some fabrics, lamps and curtains to dress it up (hit up the fabric district in LA when I was just there). I just don't want the structure becoming a 100 lb projectile.
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Post by silvergirl70 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:02 pm

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Pics of shade structure in action @ 2017 Burn. Was fabulous to keep down heat in the Kodiak and in the lounging areas. Not horrible to set up with everything labeled..but the set up heat was oppressive this year.

Ran paracord through the end ribs and icicle hitched it to the rebar to secure the structure. Could've tacked town the Aluminet as well but got tired with the heat and just let it sit as is.

Minimal shifting after dust storm and dust devil hit camp. Our camp had a trampoline go to the heavens and hit (thankfully empty) yurt, and other monkey huts were downed...but this one stayed put.
PM me if you want email with my plans/raw materials list to cover your 10X14' kodiak. This is NOT lipstick on a pig and is doable with a day of work.
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Post by silvergirl70 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:10 pm

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Also added some old tie-dyed curtains on the outside as well as some solar lamps and 'moroccan door' curtains for shade and decoration. I stencilled some painter's canvas for floor/walkway covering, but that. Was quickly invisible. Had tons of fun decorating it, and having an unlimited bunch of ball bungees and inner tubes allowed me to attach PVC anywhere to hang stuff. We had many visitors to the 'oasis'. :)
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Post by EGAZ » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:40 pm

Ain't it great when the prep executes as planned?! Looks like it did for you! Crongrates!! :mrgreen:
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Post by silvergirl70 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:53 pm

EGAZ wrote:Ain't it great when the prep executes as planned?! Looks like it did for you! Crongrates!! :mrgreen:
Yes!! Could not have been happier with it. TY.
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Post by lucky420 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:51 am

Oh I really like the curtain rod at the end there. I just usually hang tapestries clipped directly on the end of my mh. That rod is fantastico!
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Post by silvergirl70 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:32 pm

So I received so many requests for this design here and on facebook..I'm going to cut and paste my email instructions/notes on here for reference. Probably some typos, colloquialisms and lots of general blab. But, I loved this shade so much that if other people need the info, I am happy to share. This is a filter of everything in this thread that proceeded it, and all the great advice that I received from eplaya.

SILVERGIRL'S MODIFIED MONKEY HUT TO FIT 10x14' KODIAK (and other stuff.)

Specifications:
You are building a Quonset-style hut with footprint of 15'X24', additional 3-4' on each end if ratchet straps are used to tie it down.
Refer to the diagrams for a general idea of setup. This hut allows sideways placement of a 10x14 Kodiak tent within the structure, allowing easy egress. It also provides for sitting room and storage room all within the shade.

Materials List:
Frame:
-24 pieces of 10 foot Schedule 40 1"PVC
(+optional 2 additional pieces of 10' Schedule 40 1" PVC for end curtain rods and for replacement of potentially broken pieces)
This makes: six 25 foot long 1" PVC ribs, two 25 foot long 1" PVC spines, optional 2 PVC curtain rods. Total with optional: 27 pieces. Buy in bulk, cheaper.

-4 pieces of 10 foot Schedule 40 1.25" PVC
This makes all the connector sleeves (16 total)

Anchors:
-12 pieces of 1/2" rebar, 2' each
Optional 4 additional pieces of rebar (same size) for ratchet straps) and additional 4-6 pieces of rebar to tack down tarp on the base of the structure. Total with optional: 20 pieces of 1/2" rebar. Knock yourself out, this stuff is cheap as shit.

Cover:
Aluminet 80% 24'X25' tarp, taped at edge and grommeted at least every 2' (better every 1')
Order shadecloth from Greenhouse supply store. (Don't wait till August, do it at beginning of summer.) Can use other shadecloth, layers of shadecloth, whatever.

Ties:
-Ball Bungees 9" in length. Can never have enough. Have at least 30-40.
- Bicycle Inner tubes. These can be previously used on a bicycle. Check bike shops. Need 14. I ordered them on ebay when I saw someone selling a lot of used ones.

Optional:
-Ratchet straps ~10' X4 if desired to ratchet down end ribs. May need loop ratchet ties for the ends.
-Curtains X 3-4 for each end cap. 80-96" length each, total of 6-8. Keep it simple. Buy cheap, buy ones with fabric tabs or very large grommets at top so that no additional hardware needed to hang.
-I also bought some sterilite or plastic tubs to carry the rebar, ball bungees etc. The rebar or lag screws have a tendency to roll around and this was better than tying them up with rope.
-solar 1$ landscaping lights for corners or tie downs

Other materials:
-Duct tape. 2 rolls
-Paracord in 100 ft lengths, X2 rolls. There will be extra. You will cut out pieces as needed.
-Cheap cotton rope/cord at least 80 feet in length to measure out perimeter of structure and act as a template. (Huge time saver on the playa)
-Sharpie markers (2 colors).
-Sledgehammer (5lb+)
-Vice Grips for rebar removal
-Tape Measure
-PVC cutter (available at any hardware store) and/or saw to cut PVC (note that PVC should be cut and taped prior to coming to playa)
-Work gloves
-Stepstool 3'. I am 5'2". I needed this.
-Rebar caps/Tennis Balls/cut foam noodles. Even if you don't need these after setup, use them during setup to cover naked rebar. ESD doesn't want you to get cut on rebar. You don't want to be cut on rebar.
-Quart baggie with a few quarters in it, rubber banded on one end, to feed paracord through a few ribs.

Preparation (Pre-playa)(this takes the longest, but the structure takes very little time to set up when everything is done beforehand):

Definition: 'ribs' are the arch pieces which insert over rebar. 'Spines' extend down the length of the structure to space out the pieces.

Make the Ribs and Spines

Each rib will have three pieces of 1" PVC cut to a total length of 25', with two 2 foot 1.25" PVC connector sleeves.

For each rib, I cut two of the lengths to 8' (*A* piece), 1 length to 9' (*B* piece). For all the ribs, this would be twelve 8' pieces, and six X9' pieces.

Make a mark with the sharpie one foot from one end of each 8' piece, and on both ends of the 9' piece.

Cut the connector sleeves: Measure all the 1.25" PVC at every 2' and cut.

Cut the spine pieces. I made these a little different lengths from the ribs just to make identification for setup easier: 1" PVC, 4 X 9' lengths (*D*), two 7' lengths (*E*).

Make a mark with the sharpie 1 foot from the end, on end of each 9 foot piece, and 1 foot from each end of the 7 foot piece.

Duct tape the stops on the ribs and spines. (pre-playa)
The long pieces of 1" PVC on the ribs (and spines) each are connected end to end, with a 2 foot sleeve of 1.25" PVC covering a foot each of the 1" PVC where those ends meet. (See diagram...this sounds much more confusing than it is) This allows pieces to pull out under extreme stress, but the sleeve adds stability to the joint without drilling or screws or those crappy 4 way connectors that break.

At each 1 foot sharpie mark, made as outlined above, wrap 10 or so layers of duct tape around the rib piece, not going past the 1' mark (i.e. leave 1 foot of PVC past this untaped to be covered by the sleeve). Depending on the quality and thickness of your duct tape, the amount needed may vary. Check it periodically to see if it slides within or stops when the connector is placed a foot over it. When it wedges and isn't easy to pull apart, stop wrapping, except for one more layer of tape to cover the transition and allow the sleeve to slide over without peeling the tape back. (Note: I also tried duct taping over neoprene fabric pieces in prefab to save time, but have not playa tested this).

Repeat this on the ribs: on one side on each of the 8 foot pieces of the ribs, both sides of the 9 foot pieces.

Repeat this on the spines: One side each on the 9' pieces of ribs, and both sides of the 7' pieces.

I would recommend labeling the pieces after you tape them (you may be tired on the playa, intoxicated-not recommended with rebar and sledgehammers..more ESD fodder) so that they can be easily positioned for setup. I labelled the 8' pieces *A* and had arrows pointing toward the center/apex of the structure,
labelled the 9' rib pieces *B*,
and the 9' spine pieces *D*,
the 7' spine pieces *E*.
*C* I left for the connectors. Do whatever tired idiot-proof labeling works for you.

Assembly (initially pre-playa to test):

1) Measure out on the ground your footprint, 15'X 24'. You can make sure the edges are square by using a piece of rope/string to ensure that the diagonals are roughly equal in length(~28 feet,4 inches.) I banged rebar in the 4 corners and used the 80' cotton rope tied around this snugly. I marked the rope corners at the rebar with one color of sharpie marker, and then marked out the locations on the rope for the rest of the rebar stakes where the ribs will go with another sharpie color. This was an unbelievable time saver later. Save the marked rope for the playa to make setup easy. (Double check the diagonals to make sure that you are square.)

12 pieces of rebar will be driven 1' into the ground. 4 at the corners, and one about every 4'9.5" or 4'10" on the long side of the structure. Mark on your marker rope the location of your rebar stakes so that you can just set this out on the playa and go when you are there (Be a square: triple check your diagonals for reasonable equality).

Drive the rebar in: 1 foot into the playa. Tip: Use a 1' sleeve of leftover PVC over the rebar as a guide over the rebar. When the 2 foot long rebar is flush with the top of the PVC sleeve, its in the ground a foot. Make sure the rebar isn't banged in at some bizarre fucked up angle; it should be relatively vertical. While you are doing all this, cover the exposed rebar with something (a cup, foam noodle, whatever...) so that people don't get injured. Also, use your gloves, man. (If you don't know what I do for a living yet...it's not a crossing guard.)

2) Line up all the pieces for ribs and spines (spines should be first on ground, lay ribs on top) and connect all, except for the end ribs.

3) You are going to tie the two end ribs to the rebar for stability. Use the bag of quarters (a weight) tied to a 30+ foot piece of paracord and feed it through both disassembled end ribs (piece A, then connector, then piece B, then connector, then another piece A). Pull the rope though the assembled rib so that there are equal amounts of the rope on each side. Connect the end rib totally together. (Note that if you are attaching ratchet straps or tie downs to end ribs, you may want to do this now as once the rib is tied to the rebar, you can't feed stuff over the end without untying.)

4) Lay out the Aluminet over the area and assembled ribs loosely so that it is roughly where it should be. Remember, the 25' side is going to be attached to the end ribs. Ball bungee the aluminet to the first end rib in a few places just to hold it on. This will save you from trying to throw and drag it over the assembled roof later. As you put up each rib, you will just keep it draped over the ribs as you go. You will completely attach it later. Another time saver.

5) With the first end rib, Icicle hitch the paracord to the rebar on one of the corners. With the help of another person, bend the assembled-and- rope-fed end rib into an arch. For now, put it over the hitched rebar. You will tie the other icicle hitch at the end.

6) Moving down the line, feed each PVC rib over the rebar anchor, bend it into an arc, and anchor it on the opposing rebar anchor. This will go fast, magic fast. It's a barn raisin'. Yee haw.

7) When you get to the last end rib, make sure that you have paracord fed through the rib like you did with the first one, and the Aluminet loosely ball bungeed to it. Tie the icicle hitch on the first rebar insertion. Have your friend hold the bent rib next to the last rebar while you tie another icicle hitch (this is a pain in the ass) then put the PVC over the last rebar. Complete the final icicle hitch for your first rib.

8) Attach the spines to the ribs at roughly the 2 and 10 oclock positions on the arc using either ball bungees or well knotted inner tubes. Make sure the air inlet for the inner tube is not grating against the aluminet. Leave 6" of spine on either end to attach stuff to (lamps, curtain rods, etc).

9) Balance and center the aluminet over the structure, and ball bungee to the end ribs at least every 2 feet if not every foot. If you are not familiar with ball bungee use, check some tutorials on you tube before you get to the playa so that you know how to tighten the slack if needed. I love ball bungees. You may also attach it to the ground along the long axis of the structure with bent rebar or tent stakes.

10) Attach extra optional curtain rods (feed curtains on PVC rod before mounting) to spines with extra inner tubes or ball bungees. If wind, tie the curtain in a knot so it doesn't knock all your shit down, or take the rod down.

Attach ratchet straps to end ribs (optional). If you are going to use ratchet straps or tie downs on both ends, you may have needed to feed this over the end rib before assembling it up. Remember if you bang more rebar in to attach ratchet straps, cover the ends with something to prevent injury. Also helps to throw in a little solar 1$ landscaping light near areas of rope or strap meeting the ground.


Notes:

-By far the biggest expense in this design is the Aluminet, but wow, was it awesome. Other tarps could be used, but if not perforated (e.g. solid material tarp), I would definitely use ratchet straps to stabilize the structure, as the aluminet did not act like a sail, and allowed breeze air to flow through. I ordered from Gothic Arch Greenhouses in AL, http://www.gothicarchgreenhouses.com 1-800-531-4769, and talked with Kim. My order for 80% aluminet 25'X24' with 98 feet of perimeter tape and 99 brass grommets placed 1' on center and all corners: $312. They cut it off a 26' wide roll, and sent me the extra scraps, which my camp mate gave out to keep camp liquor cool. So important. Ha. I found that the aluminet stretched a little bit over the week. It may be worth talking with Aluminet distributor about the aluminet properties: order slightly less vs just put the stakes 6" further apart? You might need to redo the math on the structure, but it didn't bother me much. Only other caveat with aluminet is that it does collect dust, and if you walk into it or are tall (not my problem), or bang it with a broom to clean it, you may get dust showered down on you. Oh well. What else is new. Post event, I laid it out flat and sprayed it down with a hose at a car wash in Reno. (probably much to the chagrin of the car wash guy. I also did this at like 1 AM so as to not attract attention and blend in with the other meth heads...haha)

I also did not tack down the Aluminet on the long sides of the structure; this may make the whole shebang stronger, but I didn't need to do it last year. In the thread there was a cool pic that Ratty posted with one side of the tarp raised up on an extra set of struts, opening up the structure on one side.. I may explore this design at the next Regional burn.

-Alternate tarps: cheap blue tarp, or tan tarp. (Doesn't breathe, noisy, more sail-like.) Attic foil, taped together with foil tape. This is labor intensive, but I've read rave reviews of it on eplaya. Check it out. Camo netting, multiple layers. Other greenhouse shadecloth, cheaper than aluminet. The shadecloth world is your oyster.

-The structure will shift with high winds, as all structures at burning man do. It is designed to have articulating parts which may come apart in the name of safety, should winds become strong enough; this thing will hopefully not be a projectile and kill people. After high winds, or just on a daily basis (perfect time: while your camp-mates are being FAFFERs) it is a good idea to check all your articulating points to make sure that everything is well connected and aligned. This is precisely why I didn't use short 4 way connectors that will likely fail, and why I tied the structure directly to the rebar anchors. Ratchet straps on ends will help, and will help to keep the structure from leaning towards one side or another, and tacking or thing the tarp down to the ground will add stability as well.

-Depending on your angle to the sun, you may desire some shade on either end of the end caps. I used curtains, because they can be easily tied in a knot in high winds, but add privacy and design opportunities (I am a gay man trapped in woman's body, but I digress...) My structure was set up (due to camp space restrictions) where I had full sun coming in one end in AMs and late afternoons and really needed the curtains. Make sure that if you have stove nearby, it is not near curtains.

-I put the tent with the 14' side parallel to the 24' side of the structure. Could probably get away with the long side tacked down about 1.5 feet from the side of the hut on the ground. You may have to play with this.

-I designed the spines for the structure (25') a little longer than the length of the structure (24'). This was to allow the spines to hold up PVC curtain rods, solar lamps, solar panels, etc. More decor opportunities. :)

-Rebar tips: 5lb sledgehammer worked much better than 2.5lb. Rebar is a PITA. I finally figured out that a good 2 foot long plastic sterilite container (available at any big box stores) with a clip on lid was the best thing to put all the rebar in for storage and transport so that I didn't keep dropping this shit near/on my feet. I didn't try this design with lag bolts (I have no generator or impact drill)..if you use them, check that the head of the bolt fits inside your 1" PVC with the paracord ties before committing to this.

-One of the stability features I added in (after reading other posts on eplaya...thanks Zigzag!) was to run paracord through a few of the ribs (I did the end ribs only, but one could add in the center rib) and icicle hitched it to the rebar to prevent the structure from becoming a sail. This was hidden from sight. Check out http://www.animatedknots.com and find and practice the icicle hitch. It is a little trickier to do the far end once everything has been strung though the rib, but worth it. If you want you could icicle hitch the middle rib as well. Shit, have a few beers and do all of them. I spent my time on gate Rd. reviewing my plans and practicing my knots so that I could hit the ground running. ( I've never been so exited and dejected and had to pee so many times at at inopportune moments as I have been on Gate rd.) Aside from a few snafus with camp placement, this took about an hour for two of us to set up, with two sledgehammers and stepstools.

Fuck yeah!


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Post by silvergirl70 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:03 am

For a printable PDF of those monkey hut instructions and some clarifications:

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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by silvergirl70 » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:34 am

Looking forward to building this again for the burn. I made two more of these and set them up end to end for a regional burn. For those, we used tarps instead of aluminet, as rain was the bigger factor.

There were occasional wind gusts, so I ran a rope along the long axis of each shade tarp and tacked it down in 4 places with candy cane rebar. It worked like a charm.

Just for shits and giggles, also extended the 'spines' out with another PVC sleeve and 10' pieces of PVC bent down (see pics). This was a great way to stabilize the structure from swaying on the long axis. This involved 4 more connector sleeves and 4 more pieces each 10' PVC with 4 more pieces of rebar (and taping the extra PVC to avoid sliding in the sleeve.) Wasnt much extra work at all. I think on the playa, I won't have enough space in camp for another 6' on either side of the structure, so will keep it for the regional.
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by ZeugmaMethod » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:26 pm

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I built this shade structure today. It's 10 feet tall and 24x24.
The shade sail came from Amazon. It has a cable edge and steel corners. The poles are 1.5 " O.D. aluminum with 3/16 thick walls. I welded up my own eyes for the ratchets to attach.
After laying the shade sail out I attached the poles ( laying down) to the ratchet straps that were then anchored with 16" LAG screws into the ground. I then went around and raised each pole from the inside out. On the playa I think I could erect this in under 2 hours by myself.
I camp in a 10x10 kodiak. The biggest differences I've noticed in shade structures is air circulation. It was in the 90s+ here today. This was easily 10+ degrees difference from this shade. I'm planning on offering shade to shadeless campers in my camp this year. All told this cost me less than $500 for a very solid and durable shade structure that will pack down to not much considering the size of it.
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by silvergirl70 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:41 pm

Shade rocks! I like the walkability :)
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by hooker » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:28 am

SilverGirl,
Just a couple of notes. I've built a bunch of monkey huts over the years. Those are my photos of the 24 and 25 foot ribs with my Kodiak tent under it. I've found that using a central ribs to connect the arched ribs is unnecessary. Just use a 50 foot rope and connect each rib to it's neighbor and then anchor the rope in the front and rear of the hut. This keeps the arched ribs from moving around too much and anchors the whole structure. Also, I've found that if you use 1.25 inch pvc on the sides and use a piece of 1 inch between them, you don't need a piece to connect them. The 1 inch pvc fits right into the 1.25 inch pieces. This creates a more upright rib, which is usually good. Put duct tape on the 1 inch pvc to create a stop. Thats what I did to create 25 foot ribs that were tall enough to clear my Kodiak. I use a tarp I made from taping together atic foil. But the reflective surface wears off over the years so I'm not sure I'd recommend it. It was amazing the first year, but gets less reflective each year. And building the tarp is a major pain. I wish someone sold tarps made of this stuff. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by silvergirl70 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:38 pm

Hi Hooker! I was wondering who you were! Your 'length research' pics that I referenced were fantastic. :)
If I'm reading your post above correctly, you're using the 1.25" PVC for the bulk of the ribs with a central 1" insert for a connector? Or are you running 1" all the way along the length of the rib?
I also had good results just tacking down the sides of the tarp or aluminet of the monkey hut to the ground/playa instead of in-line Paracord ties to the rebar. I had set up one of these at a regional (with tarp, not aluminet), where we were having 45 mph gusts, and the whole thing almost lifted off the rebar as a unit. I definately tie the whole thing down. I have space restrictions at my sardine camp @ the burn and try to park my (rental) van on the windward side and extend one ratchet strap with a knot into the van to anchor.

Anyway, great to hear your input. :)
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by hooker » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:34 am

To make my arched ribs I use two 1.25 inch pvc pipes and run a 1 inch pvc pipe between them. The smaller pipe fits inside the two larger pipes. So no connectors needed. Just wrap some tape around the smaller pipe at the right spot to keep it from going in too far.
I don't run a straight rib along the top to connect the arched ribs. I just run rope from arch to arch and then anchor it.
I anchor my tarp to lag bolts just outside the line of ribs. There is a whole other discussion of lag bolts elsewhere on eplaya. They are easier than rebar and anchor better.

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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by Canoe » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:39 pm

ZeugmaMethod wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:26 pm
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I built this shade structure today. It's 10 feet tall and 24x24.
The shade sail came from Amazon. It has a cable edge and steel corners. The poles are 1.5 " O.D. aluminum with 3/16 thick walls. I welded up my own eyes for the ratchets to attach.
After laying the shade sail out I attached the poles ( laying down) to the ratchet straps that were then anchored with 16" LAG screws into the ground. I then went around and raised each pole from the inside out. On the playa I think I could erect this in under 2 hours by myself.
I camp in a 10x10 kodiak. The biggest differences I've noticed in shade structures is air circulation. It was in the 90s+ here today. This was easily 10+ degrees difference from this shade. I'm planning on offering shade to shadeless campers in my camp this year. All told this cost me less than $500 for a very solid and durable shade structure that will pack down to not much considering the size of it.
  • Looks great for shade from 10 am to 4 pm!
  • Most people find their tent/shelter is already heated up like an oven by 9 am, due to the low-angle sun after sunrise (not too long after 6 am).
  • Huge sleep-in difference if you can get something in place to block the sun coming from E to ESE before the sun is up in the sky and that shade structure becomes effective. If you had a wall (sloped?) on one side, maximum benefit from having that side face ESE?
  • See the sun direction & height and shadow height/length ratio
    viewtopic.php?f=3&t=78496&start=30#p1138417
  • Take a 24" x 24" piece of card board 10" off the ground, and walk around it with a flashlight for sun at each hour of the day, to see the shadow/shade it will provide...
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by Canoe » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:42 pm

ZeugmaMethod wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:26 pm
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I built this shade structure today. It's 10 feet tall and 24x24.
...
I modelled that 10 feet tall and 24x24.
In the back right corner of the examples, as you build it without walls.
Morning sun comes blasting in. The smart camper puts their tent on the west side so those on the east block that morning sun.

In front of that, shows something large in close to block the morning sun. They'll get a lot more of a sleep-in, instead of baked out between 9 and 10.

And it shows what walls can provide for blocking that morning sun.

viewtopic.php?f=277&t=101553&p=1188940#p1188759
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by ZeugmaMethod » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:39 pm

Actually I have the vestibule addition for my entrance to the Kodiak tent. That effectively shades that side if the tent when placed facing the sunrise. I also have a 10x14 truck mesh type tarp that will occupy my west side.

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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by ZeugmaMethod » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:39 pm

Actually I have the vestibule addition for my entrance to the Kodiak tent. That effectively shades that side if the tent when placed facing the sunrise. I also have a 10x14 truck mesh type tarp that will occupy my west side.

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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by silvergirl70 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:48 pm

I'm limited as to position of my 'sub camp' at camp: I petition for my 35'x15' plot, and that is just enough for the monkey hut and van. As I cant rotate the hut to one side or the other, the tent is near an area where we get the most shade benefit in the AM. But, as some ESD shifts are PM or night, sleep isn't always in the AM anyways. I just like the general shade that the hut provides. :)
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Re: PVC based shade structure over 10X14 Kodiak tent advice

Post by Canoe » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:58 pm

Monkey huts are great that way. You've got two directions completely covered, and if it's not open east/west, you've still got usable shade in the north midday even in a single 10' section. And it's easy to cover an open end for shade or either or both ends in a blow. And if you're stringing two or more sections together, the northward sections are all shade.

One of the coolest I've seen is the monkey hut style one Ratty posted above, that has the ends covered but only the top 2/3, and the lower 2/3 of the north side was lifted up into an awning.
And I've seen tons like the other one she posted, usually with the people sleeping in the open. Open to the north and they're golden for shade. Or align SW/NE with the closed back to the SE, for best guess for less wind.

A lot of what one does depends on if it's just for shade, or for waiting out condition Alpha.

I just go with a plywood box on a boat trailer...
Or a cot in the open.
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