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Post by Wakawaka » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:36 pm

Save a ton of time by replacing the bolts and cotter pins or rings with bolts and butterfly nuts.

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Post by phil » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:54 pm

how long do those bungee ball things last? Do they stay stretchy year to year and hold up OK in sunlight?
I've had the same bungee balls for about three years. They do get stiff and lose some stretch, I think from the powder more than the sun, but I'll be out there with them again this year. I have a supply of backups in case some fail, and eventually, I'll start weeding out the worsts ones before they fail.
... and butterfly nuts.
Oh, no! That's another issue with taping loints. Now we're gonna get that al anon guy or whoever he is down on us for mistreating those poor butterflies along with all the other damage we're doing to Black Rock. Sheesh!

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Post by unjonharley » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:15 pm

On my way home just now. I saw one of those extra spendy car ports up side down in a feild. Ya gotta tie the damn things down.
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Post by HughMungus » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:02 pm

For those of you who don't have a Costco or are having a hard time finding a carport or canopy like me, I found a place online that has a 10x20 fully-enclosed carport with windows for $259. PM me for the link.

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I like the idea of having a fully-enclosed setup because we're going to have some stuff we don't want sitting around without being "hideable" when we're not there and because it makes great extra sleeping area if necessary. I do wonder, however, about wind force on the walls which I think AntiM discussed in this or another thread.

I haven't gotten one yet, myself, because I'm trying to figure out what our camp is going to consist of. If I do take a travel trailer and my Tahoe, then I could conceivably bungee a tarp from the trailer to the Hoe on the other side...hmm...decisions...

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Post by hunter S » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:23 pm

Dallas, you can find the exact same C/Port in Sam's box store $199. has windows & everything. you might try Sam's on line order it pay for it & pick it up in the Reno store, save's you hauling 200lbs from Tx. :)
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Post by unjonharley » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:39 pm

On the car port here at home. The side walls keep climbing the legs. I'm into nailing a board to the bottoms and nail the board down. Maybe those 12 inch nails from Home Depot.
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Post by HughMungus » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:53 pm

hunter S wrote:Dallas, you can find the exact same C/Port in Sam's box store $199. has windows & everything. you might try Sam's on line order it pay for it & pick it up in the Reno store, save's you hauling 200lbs from Tx. :)
I'd want to test it before bringing it out. I'll check out Sam's Club (and Wal Mart, I guess) here in Dallas to see what they have. Thanks.

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Post by unjonharley » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:01 pm

DallasPlaya wrote:
hunter S wrote:Dallas, you can find the exact same C/Port in Sam's box store $199. has windows & everything. you might try Sam's on line order it pay for it & pick it up in the Reno store, save's you hauling 200lbs from Tx. :)
I'd want to test it before bringing it out. I'll check out Sam's Club (and Wal Mart, I guess) here in Dallas to see what they have. Thanks.

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Just to give you another price to look at. In Or. Car port w/side walls $169. Mind you these don't have the windows
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Post by safetythird » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:37 am

Wakawaka: The bolt and wing nut advice is golden. Worked great and is actually easier than dealing with those little rings. I even took it a step further and used eye bolts in some sections, giving me more places to attach/hang things. Thanks for that great piece of wisdom.

I've updated the other thread (Share your non dome shelter blueprints) with the test results from my camping trip with the shelter.

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Post by HughMungus » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:42 am

Important info about the Costco carport here: http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... highlight=

Has anyone else tested its ability to properly block sunlight sufficiently?

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Post by diane o'thirst » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:52 pm

I considered lining the inside of the roof with space blankets using spray adhesive. Priced it out and found the ding unacceptable, so I abandoned the idea (I'd have needed around 500 square feet of the darn things!!). Not sure how the spray adhesive would hold up to the incoming solar, either.

Getting Reflectix would probably be another option.
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Post by HughMungus » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:58 pm

Update: Just got my latest Harbor Freight catalog. 12x20 carport (no sides), on sale for $149.

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Post by diane o'thirst » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:18 pm

I'd spring for the extra $20 and get the fully-enclosed (and probably more durable) Costco model.
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Post by HughMungus » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:06 pm

diane o'thirst wrote:I'd spring for the extra $20 and get the fully-enclosed (and probably more durable) Costco model.
Right. But I posted that because not everyone is near a cosco and it's impossible to find on their site. Also, I question whether that Cosco model blocks the sun sufficiently (whereas I know from the specs on the HF model that it will).

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Post by chrispburn » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:18 pm

yikes - do not place any trust in those $99 or less carports.

I bought one for a backyard party this past winter, thinking I was so clever to get two uses out of it.

Well, when I opened the box -- yes, the joints just slide together. That would last about one puff of wind on the playa. So yes, I could take the time to drill bolt holes at every joint, then hope that I match up the pipes and everything lines up easy when it's 100+ hell on the playa.

So there is one reason to spend another 50-100 bucks to go to costco.
(and for political reasons - buy blue - I would personally reco Costco over Sam's)

But the second reason the cheap carports are crap -- the actual covering is slightly thicker than a plastic shopping bag. That tarp would be toast out on the playa.

My village mates have been doing the Carport thing for a few years now. The old carports are still doing fine, and they've continued to add to the collection. Other village mates have seen the light too, as it is a very efficient and quick way to make a shade structure. Sure makes your work crew happy to spend an hour or two building, rather than a day or two...or three

Yes, one can create something original. But for many people, the skill, time or budget doesn't allow for the process of discovery and creation. So if you're not one of those handy types, the car port offers a good, efficient option.

I of course say that casually, as I sit 2 feet from a massive, custom made, engineered to the hilt structure... thank God for friends who are civil engineers

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Post by jbelson » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:29 pm

Yeah, it's like my grandma always said, "you buy cheap, you buy twice".
I got one of the cheaper carports @ pep boys, only $79 after mail in rebate, thought I was pretty slick. Well, after putting it up, you could tell that it's not the sturdiest thing in the world. So I decided to drill holes in all of the joints and label each pole so as to line them up on the playa. That took forever, I'm talking weeks (I work full time).
I'm sure after tying it down good and with all the bolts I have to add it will work fine for the week, but I wish I had bought something that I didn't have to do all that to. Unfortunately I didn't realize there was a difference.
It's easy to get excited about seeing it cheap, but you get what you pay for.
But I finally finished the work and put it back in the box to bring out with me. It's gonna be cool. Got some of the girls draping the inside in orange and red fabric, kind of like a fire, and we painted a flame mural to line the outer walls on a 40' long canvas that I scored from the e-playa (for free).

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Post by geekster » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:41 pm

Bought a 12 x 20 yesterday. No sides. $125 They also have a 10x20 for like $95 I think. We picked the 12x20 for use as shade cover over our popup trailer.

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Post by HughMungus » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:47 pm

chrispburn wrote:Well, when I opened the box -- yes, the joints just slide together. That would last about one puff of wind on the playa. So yes, I could take the time to drill bolt holes at every joint, then hope that I match up the pipes and everything lines up easy when it's 100+ hell on the playa.

So there is one reason to spend another 50-100 bucks to go to costco.
(and for political reasons - buy blue - I would personally reco Costco over Sam's)
Got my Costco model today. I agree with you -- I was worried about joints that just slide together. I also like that the costco one has 2" legs. Just out of curiosity, does everybody else's have a slightly curved roof? Surprised at that and that the material is sort of a poplin plastic instead of a thicker, more rubbery fabric like in S3's photos. Anyway, I'm happier with this one and will be doing the test setup tonight and figure out the guying and staking situation.

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Post by kidhack » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:26 pm

i was looking for a costco carport in the santa rosa costco on monday with no luck.

does anyone know any costcos in the bay area that still carry this?

or does anyone want to retire theirs and sell it to me?

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Post by kidhack » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:34 pm

DallasPlaya wrote:Update: Just got my latest Harbor Freight catalog. 12x20 carport (no sides), on sale for $149.
they have a neat silver colored carport on sale for $179 or something...
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it's 16'9" x 8' i think.
http://ww2.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/D ... mber=42211
SANTA ROSA,CA 930 PINER RD 707-544-6442

but i'm not how strong these are. the are definitely not as strong as the ones from costco... that's what i'm looking for. we have one that we use for our kitchen, but i'm going to try and make a chill / sleeping space with a new one. same / cheaper per square foot than a conventional tent.
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Post by HughMungus » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:46 pm

kidhack wrote:
DallasPlaya wrote:Update: Just got my latest Harbor Freight catalog. 12x20 carport (no sides), on sale for $149.
they have a neat silver colored carport on sale for $179 or something...
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it's 16'9" x 8' i think.
http://ww2.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/D ... mber=42211
SANTA ROSA,CA 930 PINER RD 707-544-6442

but i'm not how strong these are. the are definitely not as strong as the ones from costco... that's what i'm looking for. we have one that we use for our kitchen, but i'm going to try and make a chill / sleeping space with a new one. same / cheaper per square foot than a conventional tent.
Yeah, I was looking at that one, too. A few things I didn't like are it's smaller and that it looks like you can't roll-up the sides easily (important to me as we'll have it open sometimes and closed sometimes). Also, I don't like ordering stuff online to find out that it's not suitable. The Costco model really seems like the best one at the best price. Not only are the legs 2" wide, they use pins to inter-lock the leg sections (not found on this other one I got -- at Northern Tool).

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Post by Topcat » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:38 am

After a few phone calls I can report that no Bay Area Costco's have the 10x20 carport in stock...ugh! However the Stockton store has 8 so if you're looking for a drive to the Central Valley you can probably pick one up.

Now to Plan B, which might involve a paper parasol, scotch tape and yarn.
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Post by kidhack » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:09 am

that sucks...
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Post by HughMungus » Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:08 am

Topcat wrote:After a few phone calls I can report that no Bay Area Costco's have the 10x20 carport in stock...ugh! However the Stockton store has 8 so if you're looking for a drive to the Central Valley you can probably pick one up.

Now to Plan B, which might involve a paper parasol, scotch tape and yarn.
You might try calling the Stockton Costco and see if you can pay for it on the phone and have it shipped...maybe they'd do a thing where they ship it from one store to another for you to pick up. In fact, I'd call the local store and say, "I want to buy this item but you're out of stock. Can you have it shipped from the Stockton store."

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Post by Topcat » Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:39 am

DallasPlaya wrote:
Topcat wrote:After a few phone calls I can report that no Bay Area Costco's have the 10x20 carport in stock...ugh! However the Stockton store has 8 so if you're looking for a drive to the Central Valley you can probably pick one up.

Now to Plan B, which might involve a paper parasol, scotch tape and yarn.
You might try calling the Stockton Costco and see if you can pay for it on the phone and have it shipped...maybe they'd do a thing where they ship it from one store to another for you to pick up. In fact, I'd call the local store and say, "I want to buy this item but you're out of stock. Can you have it shipped from the Stockton store."
Thanks for the suggestion. After talking to an experienced burner I think I'm gonna go with a 10x10 shade structure. As it was explained to me, the key reason to cover your tent is to keep out the morning sun. But if you set up the shade structure right, it can shield your tent in the a.m. without the tent being directly under it, giving you the 10x10 space to enjoy during the day. I'm also with a camp (Camp Stella) that has a 10x20 communal shade.

If I'm awake every morning at 5:30 a.m. cuz it's 140 degrees in my tent , I will know who to send my CIA-trained posse after.
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Post by HughMungus » Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:48 am

Topcat wrote:Thanks for the suggestion. After talking to an experienced burner I think I'm gonna go with a 10x10 shade structure. As it was explained to me, the key reason to cover your tent is to keep out the morning sun. But if you set up the shade structure right, it can shield your tent in the a.m. without the tent being directly under it, giving you the 10x10 space to enjoy during the day. I'm also with a camp (Camp Stella) that has a 10x20 communal shade.

If I'm awake every morning at 5:30 a.m. cuz it's 140 degrees in my tent , I will know who to send my CIA-trained posse after.
Yeah, if you're just trying to cover a tent, 10x10 is fine and you can get them anywhere; just make sure you guy it down tight so it doesn't go flying. You might want to consider a way to rig a blanket along one or more sides for when the sun is not directly overhead. In fact, you could have just one blanket, some tarp clips (Home Depot), and some rope or something so that it can be moved from one side of the structure to the other as necessary. Note that I said *blanket*. You don't want to use a tarp because they flap in the wind and make a lot of noise.

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Post by kidhack » Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:12 pm

I called them today and they said they were out!

Bullocks!

Topcat wrote:...However the Stockton store has 8 so if you're looking for a drive to the Central Valley you can probably pick one up...
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Post by safetythird » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:55 pm

HEADS UP!

Costco has the infamous carport in stock (at least at the 2 locations near me) for $170, same price as last year.

Seems like they put them out earlier this year. Perhaps they'll also be sold out earlier too. If you've been thinking about one as your shade structure this year, I suggest getting it while they last. It is the most economical shade structure I could find. I'll be buying another for this year to ADD to the shady goodness that last year's provided.

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Post by HughMungus » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:12 pm

safetythird wrote:HEADS UP!

Costco has the infamous carport in stock (at least at the 2 locations near me) for $170, same price as last year.

Seems like they put them out earlier this year. Perhaps they'll also be sold out earlier too. If you've been thinking about one as your shade structure this year, I suggest getting it while they last. It is the most economical shade structure I could find. I'll be buying another for this year to ADD to the shady goodness that last year's provided.

Playa tested, burner approved!


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Yeah, I have a costco model with the one-piece 2" legs and another model (from Northern Tool) with two-piece legs and I can't say enough good things about the Costco model. The one-piece, 2" legs make it a lot better. In fact, even though I have the NT version, I think I might get another Costco one. The only really serious downside is that the one-piece legs are more difficult to transport because they can't be broken down into smaller sections.
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Post by Bob » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:22 pm

All those carports should go well with this year's car wash.

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