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Harbor Freight Solar Panels?

Post by Dr awkwarD » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:43 pm

Has anyone used the solar panels from Harbor Freight?

http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-12 ... 96418.html

Any experience that you could share?

I'm thinking of setting one of these up with a 12v battery for my swamp cooler and lighting. I don't have anything super serious to plug in (no AC units or refrigerators). Just want to make sure that my tent stays cool. :)

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Re: Harbor Freight Solar Panels?

Post by 171/348 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:52 pm

I bought one of their solar cell phone chargers last year. To say it didn't work would be kind.

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Re: Harbor Freight Solar Panels?

Post by some seeing eye » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:10 pm

Retail panel prices are up. You can do a lot better on Craigslist today, in my town I see $1/watt on new monocrystalline panels. Then add the right mppt charge controller for your battery. Many solar threads on hear for searching.
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Re: Harbor Freight Solar Panels?

Post by Sham » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:30 pm

I would say that virtually everything you buy at Harbor Freight, should be suspect of being total, utter garbage. I did buy a carabiner there once that worked pretty well.
You can also get American flags there that are made in China. (my personal favorite)

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Post by PhoenixFemmeFatale » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:03 pm

Shambala wrote:I would say that virtually everything you buy at Harbor Freight, should be suspect of being total, utter garbage. I did buy a carabiner there once that worked pretty well.
You can also get American flags there that are made in China. (my personal favorite)
Really??! Unbelievable! It never even occurred to me to look at where American Flags are made!.... Jeesh- learn something new everyday... :|

As far as harbor freight goes, we bought a camper leveling kit there - worked just fine like twice and then shattered on the third use... Guess third time WAS NOT a charm in this case.
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Re: Harbor Freight Solar Panels?

Post by happydragon » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:20 pm

I have two of the harbor freight sets, they have survived two burns, SD Decompression a couple years running, and several other family campouts. I use one set to charge the house battery for my travel trailer, the second set powers a second battery that is just used to power external lighting and charge batteries for cameras, etc. They have worked great. A freak wind gust while I was transitioning the trailer into storage mode last year blew the panels off the trailer roof, even cracked and beat up they still are solidly charging the batteries. Guess your mileage may vary.

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Re: Harbor Freight Solar Panels?

Post by Dr awkwarD » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:15 pm

happydragon wrote:I have two of the harbor freight sets, they have survived two burns, SD Decompression a couple years running, and several other family campouts. I use one set to charge the house battery for my travel trailer, the second set powers a second battery that is just used to power external lighting and charge batteries for cameras, etc. They have worked great. A freak wind gust while I was transitioning the trailer into storage mode last year blew the panels off the trailer roof, even cracked and beat up they still are solidly charging the batteries. Guess your mileage may vary.
Do you have the same panel that I posted? If you don't mind me asking, do you use a controller with it? If so, what kind?

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Post by Zhust » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:28 am

I'm tempted to do a head-to-head comparison test, but it would require money and effort. I find Harbor Freight stuff to be, at best, hit-and-miss. I am sometimes tempted by the solar panels on sale, but shopping around, I find a better deal-per-watt if I buy fancy branded panels from a solar power online store.

I've been scaling my own system down to a minuscule level: I presently use four 5-watt panels to charge a single 12V 10AH sealed lead-acid (SLA) battery. I can keep a dozen AA batteries charged and run two strings of LED lights all night. Size, weight, and reliability are the factors most important to me. Oh, and price, which was really cheap (some guy sold me the panels for $20 for all of them, and I guess except for the charge controller which is a Morningstar SunSaver 10A.)
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Post by NoAngel » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:53 am

The Harbor Freight panels, like everything else they sell, are total junk. 15 watts isn't going to charge much, by the way. You can buy a good panel with 4 times the output for something like 150.00 and it won't be much bigger than the HF panel. A bunch of the contractor electrical supply co's are now carrying panels and prices are way down. Try Platt Supply and check ebay. Last I checked an 80 watt outback-panel was selling for less than $200.00 (US made too). Buy a cheep charge controller and you're good to go with plenty of charging capacity for a decent sized deep cycle battery.

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Post by maladroit » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:07 pm

I got a 30W panel for $60 shipped on eBay last year. There are some good deals, $1/watt including charger is possible. Your batteries will be another story.

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Post by maladroit » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:56 pm

Continuing that other story...I found a Craigslist ad selling some 220Ah 6V batteries for $40 each. They were a few years old but not used much, and well kept.

Since you're only out there for a week, you can actually calculate how much power you're bringing with you (assuming you charged at home). It's safe to pull 100-150Ah from a 220Ah deep cycle battery. So at 12V, that 1200-1800 watt-hours of energy you're bringing. If you draw 40W continuously for 10 hours a night (kind of a lot just for some lights), that's 400 watt-hours per day and 2800 watt-hours for the week. That means you have a deficit of 1000-1600 Wh to make up somehow. Call it 200 Wh per day. Estimate 8 hours of good sun...that means you need to be getting 25 watts from somewhere. A 30W solar panel should be able to manage it if kept clean, and it'll actually charge somewhat for an hour or two either side of the 8 hour window. It's not sustainable if you're out there for more than a week, you'd need a 60-100W panel to go indefinitely.

You have to treat your batteries like hamsters. Don't use them for a week and throw them in the garage and expect them to be OK next year. They require regular feeding (charging) and watering.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:30 am

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Post by nixiebunny » Mon May 06, 2013 12:26 am

Good solar panels can be had from these folks, among others. Nicely built, sturdy, reasonably priced.
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Post by clocksnmirrors » Mon May 06, 2013 3:08 am

the harbor freight panel you listed also is sold three to a 45 watt kit. i bought two kits for a total of 90 watts.

google harbor freight coupon. i was able to print several 20% off coupons so the kits ended up costing me $151 per kit. it seems there are better deals out there but i was satisfied.

the charge controller that comes with only handles 4.5 amps so i bought a separate 10 amp controller off ebay for $48. also got three 85 amp hour batteries from advance auto.

today's the day i hook everything up. i'll let you know how it works out.

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Post by 171/348 » Mon May 06, 2013 1:54 pm

Clocks?

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Post by clocksnmirrors » Mon May 06, 2013 4:46 pm

171/348 wrote:Clocks?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

fear not

i have faith that harbor freight won't let me down

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Post by MartyZion » Tue May 07, 2013 4:07 pm

A few burns back we did a demo as part of the AEZ tour where we contrasted the output of a the Harbor Freight triple panel 45watt setup versus a single 45watt monocrystalline panel. In direct sunlight the single 27"X25" crystalline panel (which sells on ebay for about sixty bucks) produced twice the amps of the combined three HF amorphous panels. They were about equal in overcast and lower light conditions. Considering the longevity and smaller form factor of the mono panels, I would look into an alternative to the Harbor Freight solution. That said, they are better than nothing and will produce enough charge to power some led lighting and consumer electronics. A optimally working HF triple panel system maxes at around 3.75 amps so if they function at 100% it still takes about 9 hours of direct sun to charge a 35 amp/hour battery. Spend a little more on a real charge controller and crystalline panel setup and you'll be able to support more than one battery.

If you plan on using them for other than the burn, bear in mind these cheap HF panels lose 30-40% of their rating during a burn in phase of 6 months to a year. My older demonstration setup had aluminum frames which were easy to stake down. The newer HF panels seems to have plastic ones.

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Post by oscillator » Mon May 13, 2013 6:55 pm

You get what you pay for.

Used the HF PV panels in the past, not impressed.

Try this instead: http://www.emarineinc.com/products/85W- ... ment).html

More output, a smaller footprint, will last you many years.

Get a >10amp charge controller, a ~60aH deep cycle battery, fanless inverter, and you are off to the races!

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Post by happydragon » Tue May 14, 2013 7:27 pm

I have what I guess is an earlier version of this kit:

http://www.harborfreight.com/solar-pane ... 68751.html

Looks like they have changed the design of the panels and the mounts since I got mine, but I use the the controller that came with the set, a 12v deep cycle marine battery and an inverter on the one that isn't directly hard wired into my trailer.


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happydragon wrote:I have two of the harbor freight sets, they have survived two burns, SD Decompression a couple years running, and several other family campouts. I use one set to charge the house battery for my travel trailer, the second set powers a second battery that is just used to power external lighting and charge batteries for cameras, etc. They have worked great. A freak wind gust while I was transitioning the trailer into storage mode last year blew the panels off the trailer roof, even cracked and beat up they still are solidly charging the batteries. Guess your mileage may vary.
Do you have the same panel that I posted? If you don't mind me asking, do you use a controller with it? If so, what kind?

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Post by MjR » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:15 pm

Hello I have some Intel on Hf solar.. I have 2 Sets of 100watt kits I bought 1 kit a year ago and 1 kit over the summer 2019. My kit is 2× 100watt Solar I have total of 8 panels at 25 watts . 18 volt is what they claim to run. On back of panel. I bought 2 x 101 amp hr everstart marine deep cell battery from Walmart 1 kit cost 169 bucks the 2nd kit cost 10buck less the batter cost 59.99 plus a core charge total 79 to 85 bucks I cant remember. I run a 750 wat inverter and use the led light from kit the charge controller tents to over charge in my opinion. I love the kit 1panel got blown off roof and cracked but still working just fine. I run a 16inch tv, blue ray DVD player all day in sun. And 8 hrs at night b4 I think I need to turn it off to not discharge battery to much. I can play xbox in direct sunlight all day if I allow battery to charge the day b4 and not use any power the night b4 I play game system I have a small frigid that runs 24hrs a days and never seems to shut off. I currently dont use the fridge, but plan to buy another 100watt kit and 2 more batteries just for the fridge to be on save side. All in all this was the best thing I have invested my money into. I mostly charge cell run a small bluetooth speaks and watch all the tv I want. I have not paid an electric bill in 10 months total cost of my system little under 600bucks total save in electricity bill every month 100 buck in summer and 400 in winter I have used this almost 13 to 14 months and have already broke even and have saved maybe 1000 bucks in electricity bills.. all in all I am super happy and would recommend this product to others. I am single and not use much power.. I cant understand why my electricity bill doubles in winter months when I do not use any more power then in summer months. My inverter reads 11.9 to 12.2 v most every morning when I wake up.and in day light it I read 13.9to 14.4. Just b4 dark. if I do not use power on some days it read 15v. And my inverter starts to beeps. I run inverter 24/7 run a small desk fan 24/7 even I winter months to keep it from over charge
system... I making more power then I use. heat with propane cook with propane. And I am 100% self sufficient on my electricity .. I hope this helps 100watt kit and 101 amp hr of battery took 2 days to charge and then it would fully charge in 4 to 6hrs added 101amp battery for 100watt solar 202 amp hr battery took 4 days to fully charge then would take maybe 8to10 hrs to top off batteries. Added the 2nd 100wat solar and both charge in less then 7 hrs every day even on cloudy days I get a solid 12.9 v charge on meter

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Post by XPTom » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:48 am

….total cost of my system little under 600bucks total save in electricity bill every month 100 buck in summer and 400 in winter I have used this almost 13 to 14 months and have already broke even and have saved maybe 1000 bucks in electricity bills..
Exactly how expensive is a KWH where you live that you can save that much? I pay a below average 7.8 cents/kwh in my parts and it's possible to get $4 per month out of a 200W system in the summer...…. less in the winter when the days are shorter.
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Post by Token » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:06 am

XPTom wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:48 am
….total cost of my system little under 600bucks total save in electricity bill every month 100 buck in summer and 400 in winter I have used this almost 13 to 14 months and have already broke even and have saved maybe 1000 bucks in electricity bills..
Exactly how expensive is a KWH where you live that you can save that much? I pay a below average 7.8 cents/kwh in my parts and it's possible to get $4 per month out of a 200W system in the summer...…. less in the winter when the days are shorter.
In sunny CA , we have the cheapest off-peak rate (midnight to 9am) at $0.14.

But from 4pm to 9pm we get fleeced at a delightful $0.34 as long as we are frugal and stay in Tier 1 usage

If we go over our magic allotment, it jumps to $0.58 per KWh.

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Post by XPTom » Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:19 am

Token wrote:
In sunny CA , we have the cheapest off-peak rate (midnight to 9am) at $0.14.

But from 4pm to 9pm we get fleeced at a delightful $0.34 as long as we are frugal and stay in Tier 1 usage

If we go over our magic allotment, it jumps to $0.58 per KWh.

California Uber Ales!


Fracking here in Marcellus Shale land has driven down costs..... plus folks fighting gas pipelines helps keep the glut here in PA. Folks running the local nuke plant are making end of life decisions because of the new gas plants. That said I'm wondering how a 200W system that puts out maybe 50 KWH/month can save $100 to $400 per month. Under our commercial rate structure one bad peak day can cause the punitive rate to be applied to the whole month,.... ouch..... but it takes a lot of good luck for small scale solar with two batteries to buffer against those peaks on a regular basis.
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Post by Token » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:53 pm

Yeah, I didn’t bother to read that post. Just can’t see when it’s a giant run-on sentence and no paragraph breaks.

I can see how a 1-2 KW array can put a dent in it. Especially in a place like California and the insane rate gouging.

200W is peanuts.

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