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Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Geekette70 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:26 am

We're gearing up for our first burn next year and I'm trying to plan our power configuration. I've been lurking around the boards for a few months but have a question I haven't seen answered. I've decided to go with the Honda EU model after everyone's strong recommendations of them.

What I'm wondering is, if it would be better to purchase 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's? As I see it, there are pros and cons to each, the pro with the EU2000i being that it's obviously cheaper. But I can't help but think that two EU1000i's might be more practical as we can chain them together for larger power loads if needed, can shut one of them down when not needing both of them to save fuel, and most importantly, eliminating a single point of failure should one of them decide to quit on us.

At this time it looks like we'll need power for a soon to be purchased 3.6 cu ft igloo chest freezer and small, dorm-size fridge as well as a (already procured) large Honeywell CO25AE Evaporative cooler and maybe recharging batteries (AA and D cells, mostly) for lights and music. We shouldn't have any other power requirements that I can think of other than that. I'm not sure if a small dorm fridge and a tiny chest freezer will even work on a single EU1000i unit, if not, then this is probably not even worth a discussion.

The specs I have so far are just for the swamp cooler, but unfortunately I left the manual on my desk at work. It should be a relatively low draw. I anticipate that will be running from sun up until we leave camp to explore for the day as it is an indoor/outdoor cooler. The fridge and the freezer will run 10-14 hours a day.

We tent camp locally several times a year so this is a long term investment for us. We have a large enclosed cargo trailer, so space isn't a factor.

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by GreyCoyote » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:40 am

For me its a no-brainer: I would go with the single EU-2000. The reason being the small difference in cost. And from the burn curves, i dont think there is much of a difference at the low end, watt for watt, between the units.

Another thing to consider is that BM is one week a year. Once you get a genny, you will find other uses. Having an EU2000 instead of a pair of smaller units may make more sense when viewed in the light of these "other" uses.

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by trilobyte » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:48 am

We've been using Honda generators on the playa for years, they work incredibly well. I've never used them for fridge/freezer/ac though, with a decent shade structure we've had no need for aircon and as a smaller camp coolers have always suited our needs.

Personally, I'd go with a single EU2000i. The Honda EU generators have an eco throttle, and can throttle down under lighter loads (ie when you're not running under full load). You definitely ought to look up the specs on the freezer and mini-fridge, since both those things will likely have higher 'max draw' points. If you're running both those appliance for extended periods, there's a good chance both will be cranking simultaneously, you want to make sure the generator can handle it (otherwise it'll constantly cut out on you).

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Meat Hunter » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:35 am

I own a EU2000i and I am of the opinion that you and the community would be better served with a single EU2000i than two EU1000i's.

My reasons for suggesting a single EU2000i are:
1. A single EU2000i would cost you much less than two EU1000i's
2. A single EU2000i will be quieter than two EU1000i's
2. You will burn measurably less gasoline
3. A single EU2000i will weigh measurably less than two EU1000i's
4. With less gas and lighter generator weight, you total travel weight will be less
5. If you have surplus energy, you can gift a neighbor

From personal generator experience, try to bring NON-Ethanol gas. The alcohol in Ethanol gas has a tendency to rot the rubber components in generators

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Captain Goddammit » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:49 am

I own two of the 1000s and two of the 2000s
I never even use the 1000s anymore and highly recommend you go with the 2000.

First thing; the specs are misleading because Burning Man is at high altitude and you won't make as much power there as you will in regular, closer to sea level places. I have load tested things at home and been unable to run them on the playa.

The pair of 1000s actually do make a little more power than a single 2000. They're rated at 900 watts continuos (so 1800 for a pair) vs. the 2000's 1600 watt continuos rating. My hands-on experience concurs.
But don't buy them. By itself, the 1000 is just too weak for too many things. It won't run a microwave or a lot of power tools or way too many other things that you'll eventually be pissed about.
The 2000 is FAR more useful.

Besides that, some time when you want more power you can add another 2000 and be able to do a lot of things.

You can parallel-connect 1000s and 2000s to each other, regardless of what the book says. I've done it lotsa times and it works fine. Even so, I have a 1000 lying in my garage I haven't used in at least 5 years because the 2000 is so much better at everything. I don't even know where my other one is. And I really don't care!

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Dr Helix » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:05 am

I have 2ea 2000's. Love 'em. Never gone down out there and are amazing on gas. And so easy to make into one 4000. Best investment I ever made for the playa.
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:39 am

Get two 1000s. Do you really want to take the advice of these clowns?
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Geekette70 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:47 am

Thanks for all the responses! Looks like an EU2000i it is. Not sure 100% about taking a mini-fridge, but the freezer is a definite. From what I've read, I don't think it's going to be a problem. Still I plan to go through the manual and read up on the actual specs once I purchase it.

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by GreyCoyote » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:31 am

If you are interested in reading the manual prior to buying, you can find it here: http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/ ... Z07610.pdf

Interestingly however, I didn't find one for the EU1000 to compare and contrast. Go fig!
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Meat Hunter » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:42 am

The best price that I have found for Honda generator's is Generator Direct (FREE shipping + no sales tax), that is where I purchased all three of my Honda generators.

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com ... search.php

If you do not have to have a California compliant generator, their prices are hard to beat.
2000i - $999.99
1000i - $799.99

At only $200 more, you might be able to budget for two 2000i's (which you could wire together) and you would have many more options both on and off the Playa.

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Dr Helix » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:05 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Get two 1000s. Do you really want to take the advice of these clowns?
Oh like a fish's advice is ever so much better! :D
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by GreyCoyote » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:13 pm

Alas. Fishy just hasn't been the same since Honda got spec'd by US Dept of Fish & Game for their riverine sampling efforts.

Explanation and video is here: :mrgreen:

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by maladroit » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:08 pm

I have one of the Champion 2000 watt inverter generators. Got mine refurbished on eBay for $400 shipped, but Home Depot appears to have picked them up now (closer to $650). They are as quiet as an EU2000i (tested by putting one next to an actual EU2000i). It ran great on the playa this year, as did a friend's of the same type.

If you don't care about brand loyalty it gets my vote (and less of my wallet).

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Agaton » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:12 pm

Keep in mind there is also an EU3000 (which is shaped differently). My EU3000 cost $1700 a few years ago. It is listed as slightly quieter than teh smaller ones. I understand it can be chained with other EUs. At my light loads, it runs 20 hours on a tank. But it can not easily be connected to an external tank. It weighs 140 pounds, so requires two people to lift, but it has two good handles.

There is now also an even a bigger EU, but correspondingly more expensive.
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by GreyCoyote » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:19 pm

The EU3000 is indeed a very nice bit of hardware, but the funny thing is, it will be utterly and completely outdone by a pair of EU2000's paralleled for about the same price. And as far as weight goes, two EU2000's (for a total of 4000 watts), weighs only 2/3rds of what the EU3000 weighs (with a max of 3000 watts).

It's really hard to beat a pair/trio of EU2000's. :mrgreen:
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Agaton » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:20 pm

GreyCoyote wrote:The EU3000 is indeed a very nice bit of hardware, but the funny thing is, it will be utterly and completely outdone by a pair of EU2000's paralleled for about the same price. And as far as weight goes, two EU2000's (for a total of 4000 watts), weighs only 2/3rds of what the EU3000 weighs (with a max of 3000 watts).

It's really hard to beat a pair/trio of EU2000's. :mrgreen:
No argument from me! I just felt the 3000 ought to be included in teh discussion. :D
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Captain Goddammit » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:39 pm

If I had an application like a 5th-wheel trailer with an EU 3000 that stayed in the truck bed I'd love the 3000. It's got electric start that you can do remotely, it's powerful and quiet, etc.
But, it weighs 140 pounds. The 2000s are only 50 pounds each. Much easier to deal with, and they fit through the door of a camper or on a car back seat or trunk. They even fit in my Mazda Miata.

Back to the original question, definitely don't get the 1000. Maybe it will handle your calculated lighting and battery charging needs at Burning Man next year, but you'll have the thing and at some point you'll want to plug in a sawzall, or a heater, or whatever, and the 600 - 700 watts you'll actually get at playa altitude aren't enough for a lot of things. It will be a pain in the ass to always need both of them. Like I said, I own them and love the 2000s, hate the 1000s.

I used to use an EU1000 to power all the stuff on my mutant vehicle. I ended up going to a bank of deep cycles, a pair of alternators, and a 2000 watt inverter for several reasons, one of which was the EU1000 was running out of juice.
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Just_Joe » Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:18 pm

I'll put in a(nother) plug for the Yamaha EF2400iSHC.
Ours just made it through it's second summer without a hitch.
Our purchase was based on the fact that it's designed to start and run a 13.5BTU air conditioner (and does it at 5000' MSL!), which a single 2000i won't do.
It weighs ~75 lbs, is a quiet as the Hondas, doesn't require a parallel kit and only has one set of gas tanks,spark plugs,air filters to futz with instead of two.
~$1350 shipped.

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by GreyCoyote » Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:26 pm

Neat critter! How do you parallel it?
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Guy Noir » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:02 am

Just_Joe wrote:I'll put in a(nother) plug for the Yamaha EF2400iSHC.
Ours just made it through it's second summer without a hitch.
Our purchase was based on the fact that it's designed to start and run a 13.5BTU air conditioner (and does it at 5000' MSL!), which a single 2000i won't do...
Is that a conventional A/C unit you're using or the more efficient variable speed inverter (DC motor) air conditioning? Conventional motor loads require a lot more current on start up.
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Captain Goddammit » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:34 pm

That Yamaha is an excellent unit that falls right in between the Honda EU2000 and EU3000 in power, cost, and weight. The lack of parallel operation capability is the only thing about it I don't like. I could be mistaken but I think Yamaha's 2000-watt inverter generator is the only one that does the parallel operation like the Hondas.
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Wrath » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:48 am

I've seen examples where the generator is converted to run on propane.

Is this a good idea?

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by GreyCoyote » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:56 am

Wrath wrote:I've seen examples where the generator is converted to run on propane.

Is this a good idea?
It depends.

Propane is very clean burning. But the energy density is low, so it takes quite a bit more to get the same power. That being said, it works fine in EU2000s if you get a quality conversion kit and dont mind the extra bulk of the regulator sticking out of the case.

The only situation where I can see propane being a real advantage on the playa would be if you tee it into an existing bulk supply like a couple of 100 lb tanks already in place for a kitchen or effects display. Then I can see the utility and convenience of never having to refuel. Otherwise, you will be switching small BBQ bottles which is a PITA. And when you run out, unlike gasoline, you are done. Hard to do a "splash and go" pitstop with propane (but many of the conversion kits let you revert to gasoline if you run out of propane, so get one with this capability if possible)
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by oneeyeddick » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:18 pm

Propane gennies put out almost zero odor also, if I wasn't on the grid out there i would buy one of those new Yamaha's myself.
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by GreyCoyote » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:40 pm

I never really thought about the odor aspect because the Honda burns so completely and there is essentially no odor to the exhaust. Add to that the ever-present breeze (gale force wind? Hehehe). But I can see how, especially in a food camp, propane could be a benefit.

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by andy » Fri May 16, 2014 3:36 pm

I know this reply is late, but...

Last year our (admittedly cheap piece of junk) genie failed on the playa at my art piece. If you do have two gennies, and 1000W is still manageable in a pinch, you are buying some security in having two independent systems (but at the same time doubling the likelihood of a single failure).

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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by ygmir » Fri May 16, 2014 4:58 pm

I have (and ran out there a few years) an old Kohler, propane genny, out of a motorhome........heavy, but, nice low speed, no exhaust odors like gas or diesel (a little like when a heater or stove is going), and the oil lasts forever.
I'd be a little suspect of smaller gas engines, converted, only becuase I sorta remember something about valves or seats on propane only engines...........though that may be "old tech".
Another advantage to propane is the fuel never gets old,and you don't need a fuel pump (less moving parts).
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by Captain Goddammit » Fri May 16, 2014 5:49 pm

Yep as usual Ygmir is right, gasoline has the one big advantage of universal availability and ease of storage, and that's a real biggie, but aside from that propane totally rules.
Some of the advantages he listed are why most businesses run their forklifts on propane.
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Re: Which is better, 1 EU2000i or 2 EU1000i's

Post by GreyCoyote » Fri May 16, 2014 7:23 pm

Ygmir: Back in the leaded fuel days, there were indeed issues with valves receding into the head on engines that were converted to run on vapor-type fuels. It came down to the fact that tetra ethyl lead (and some of it's successors) did dual duty not only as anti-detonantes, but also as metallic lubricants for the top end. Once we started using unleaded fuels however, valve seats universally became hardened and this problem became a non-issue.

On a different point, propane is some wonderful stuff performance-wise. The octane-equivalent of propane starts at about 100 motor octane and goes to about 104, so you can run a bunch of advance and compression (or boost) in a propane engine without many detonation issues. Secondarily, the inherent cooling effect of the vaporization of propane can be used to good effect and serves to decrease the density altitude of the charge. (Texaco built an early liquid-propane injection engine that used this effect. It worked so well that it scared them, and the design was destroyed, only to be resurrected later by some Southern California drag racers in the 1980's who were quickly slapped with prohibitive rules that effectively killed this technology. Impco briefly sold such a system, but the DIY community at the time wasn't capable of safely dealing with the low temps and high pressures needed, so it went away too).
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