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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by Captain Goddammit » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:56 am

I don't think we should ban them but I do think being able to jam them if they get near me would be great.
I don't think they should be flown near people without the blade guards on.
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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by AntiM » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:09 am

Would be prudent to to fly them near folks with flamethrowers either.

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Post by EspressoDude » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:49 am

AntiM wrote:Would be prudent to to fly them near folks with flamethrowers either.
or those folks pitching ice cubes.. (moop-free ammo)
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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by Captain Goddammit » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:00 am

Oh that's it! Air cannon loaded with "ice shot"!
Although really, I think they could take that hit. The electronic countermeasures still seem like the best bet. You can do it just as anonymously as you can fly the things and there's zero evidence, and a 0.00003% chance of anyone being able to trace ten seconds of RFI.

Overall the things are cool but when some dickhead flies one anywhere near the First Mate on a windy day, I'd like and intend to be able to do something about it, I don't know what yet but there's gotta be something.
And everyone else can have torpedoes ready if my well lit, slow moving, licensed and readily identifiable MV goes berserk and plows through their camp.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:45 am

BBadger wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing drones used for purposes beyond that of just video taking, just as motor vehicles used for more than just transportation. Give this technology some time. Will we see sky art? Air singing telegrams? Mail delivery? Vertical music and sound? Swarms of lights? Extremely large 3D art? Reconfigurable star-fields? Sky lanterns without the MOOP? The sky is literally the limit on this one, and we shouldn't base our policies for the future only on the limitations and expectations of the present.
Think of the gifting possibilities. I bet most of us would enjoy an otter pop dropped into our hands by a drone... Or a necklace... Yeah, there's stuff that could go wrong.
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Post by remi » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:19 am

This thread is hilarious!

Best joke I've heard/read so far this year = "Drones put peoples lives at risk"... We're at TTITD, not in the middle east. I think they should ban bikes.. you know how many injuries I've seen/heard about because bikes? At least a dozen!
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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by BBadger » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:28 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:Oh that's it! Air cannon loaded with "ice shot"!
Although really, I think they could take that hit. The electronic countermeasures still seem like the best bet. You can do it just as anonymously as you can fly the things and there's zero evidence, and a 0.00003% chance of anyone being able to trace ten seconds of RFI.
I hope you're discreet and your countermeasures are narrow-band. The last thing we need is the FCC investigating this event for using illegal wireless jamming. The fines are as high as $11k per incident, and if you manage to disrupt commercial frequencies the fines for that kind of thing are often measured by the second.

Nets/water cannons might be a better option, and the visibility of a "hostile area for drones" may be a greater deterrent than mysterious jamming-caused accidents. If crashing weren't an issue, barrage balloons would be a great deterrent.
Overall the things are cool but when some dickhead flies one anywhere near the First Mate on a windy day, I'd like and intend to be able to do something about it, I don't know what yet but there's gotta be something.
And everyone else can have torpedoes ready if my well lit, slow moving, licensed and readily identifiable MV goes berserk and plows through their camp.
We'll have our dragon's teeth, mines, pillboxes, and artillery ready. This year's theme will be "Maginot Line."
theCryptofishist wrote:Think of the gifting possibilities. I bet most of us would enjoy an otter pop dropped into our hands by a drone... Or a necklace... Yeah, there's stuff that could go wrong.
Some mechanical robot voice heard overhead: "excuse me, would you like an OT-TER pop? Please pull the chain."

The chain is pulled, a flushing sound is heard, and an otter pop fall from the sky.
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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:40 pm

BBadger wrote:
Overall the things are cool but when some dickhead flies one anywhere near the First Mate on a windy day, I'd like and intend to be able to do something about it, I don't know what yet but there's gotta be something.
And everyone else can have torpedoes ready if my well lit, slow moving, licensed and readily identifiable MV goes berserk and plows through their camp.
We'll have our dragon's teeth, mines, pillboxes, and artillery ready. This year's theme will be "Maginot Line."
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theCryptofishist wrote:Think of the gifting possibilities. I bet most of us would enjoy an otter pop dropped into our hands by a drone... Or a necklace... Yeah, there's stuff that could go wrong.
Some mechanical robot voice heard overhead: "excuse me, would you like an OT-TER pop? Please pull the chain."

The chain is pulled, a flushing sound is heard, and an otter pop fall from the sky.[/quote]
Works for me.
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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by forty_eight » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:17 pm

i'm staying tuned to FB and JRS for talking points on these fratboy droneholes, lol

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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by Captain Goddammit » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:04 pm

BBadger wrote: if you manage to disrupt commercial frequencies
In BRC?? Ha! You know all those radio stations are illegal to begin with, right? No one cares, not even the FCC.
You should Google "CB radio superbowl", or just tune in to channel 6 sometime. There's tons of guys illegally running thousands of watts through huge antennas. I used to do it myself. I've still got tons of old QSL cards from all over the U.S. from my old station that was illegally overpowered, illegally over modulated, illegally out-of-frequency, and illegally over-range. And I wasn't shit compared to what's out there now.
I'm hard-pressed to believe the federates will be there zeroed in on a relatively low-powered 10 second burst of static way out in the middle of nowhere.
I could be wrong but I believe KSVERT and even BMIR aren't really legal.
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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by BBadger » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:04 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:
BBadger wrote: if you manage to disrupt commercial frequencies
In BRC?? Ha! You know all those radio stations are illegal to begin with, right? No one cares, not even the FCC.
You should Google "CB radio superbowl", or just tune in to channel 6 sometime. There's tons of guys illegally running thousands of watts through huge antennas. I used to do it myself. I've still got tons of old QSL cards from all over the U.S. from my old station that was illegally overpowered, illegally over modulated, illegally out-of-frequency, and illegally over-range. And I wasn't shit compared to what's out there now.
I'm hard-pressed to believe the federates will be there zeroed in on a relatively low-powered 10 second burst of static way out in the middle of nowhere.
I could be wrong but I believe KSVERT and even BMIR aren't really legal.
From what I've read the FCC did get involved due to complaints. I think BMIR is allowed for emergency reasons, and KSVERT and others had to make sure their frequency didn't interfere with others and were low power enough to not extend much beyond BRC (~1Watt or something). There certainly aren't as many (advertised) radio stations as before. Another thing was that they didn't have any malicious intent. If you're actually trying to jam signals, that's another matter that may warrant more investigation.

This is why I'm saying that if people are seriously thinking about doing something like this -- and they shouldn't -- they ought to be discreet. If word gets around about people illegally jamming devices, or complaints are made (such as people having their drones wrecked), there are obligations on federal authorities to investigate and possibly confiscate equipment/fine people for their actions. I'm not worried so much about raids or fines, but that we want to avoid negative attention for the event even if it seems relatively benign. It's kind of like allowing laser shows at Burning Man to take place without an FAA variance so long as no incidents take place.
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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by phil » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:11 pm

Here's what _I_ saw on the playa:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7wMgtovmAo

and here's the result of the drone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSzygc49xSs

I'm aggravated by the noise those drones make and them flying around in my face; however, the resulting video was great.

The harsh reality is that I have no say. I suspect if enough people complain, BMOrg will come up with a compromise that I'll find acceptable. BMOrg is amazing at working problems out.

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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by Captain Goddammit » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:11 pm

I understand where you're coming from but you're making a mountain of a molehill.
People crash those things all the time.
If you want to avoid negative attention then worry about getting people to quit bringing and taking so many drugs to BM.
That's the big-time negative attention in the real world. No one including the FCC gives a rats ass about some guy crashing his drone for the 27th time, but this time he thinks his remote control was jammed.
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Re: Hexacopters with video?

Post by BBadger » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:31 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:I understand where you're coming from but you're making a mountain of a molehill.
People crash those things all the time.
If you want to avoid negative attention then worry about getting people to quit bringing and taking so many drugs to BM.
That's the big-time negative attention in the real world. No one including the FCC gives a rats ass about some guy crashing his drone for the 27th time, but this time he thinks his remote control was jammed.
Well it's because the FCC is complaint-driven. I mean hell, why would the FCC care about BM broadcasting extending to a place like Gerlach except with a complaint? Gerlach?!

Plus, we've already gotten all the negative attention we want for the drugs people bring. We don't want the reputation that BM is really a lawless place in all shapes and forms or giving LEO even more excuses to search for things. My gut feeling is that this really is overblown because people aren't going to bother with electronic countermeasures anyway. It's all just a bunch of mind exercises.
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Post by EspressoDude » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:55 am

next thing you know the flying 'buzzers' will fight back...arm themselves with squirtguns or jello shooters, oh, and otterpops!
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Post by unjonharley » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:33 am

The cop will outlaw drones at burning man.. They wont want your drone downing there snoop drone.. "Did you hear that??? hide the drugs!!!!"

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Post by Major Krash » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:39 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:Measures call for countermeasures. I'm sure a better more powerful drone could be equipped to catch another drone in mid-air and drag it away... and of course there's always good old electronic countermeasures.
Perhaps a much more powerful transmitter would be a fun way to bring one down, in one piece even. Then you could safely smash it on the ground.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:15 pm

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Post by some seeing eye » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:53 pm

I know the nature of EPlaya is my male member is bigger than yours. But the very same radio bands used by drone controls are used by playa medical.
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Post by FlyingMonkey » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:09 am

We finally get a peaceful application of drone technology & government red tape gets in the way.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/01/ ... 769042349/

It’s Ok to use them to spy on everyone & blow up our “enemies”, but when it comes to delivering products to customers it’s a violation of FAA regulations.
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Post by Dr. Pyro » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:43 am

That's one of the saddest things I've ever read. What is the poor ice-fishing beleaguered dipsomanic supposed to do now?

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Post by unjonharley » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:54 am

The FAA in going to keep us in the horse and carriage age..

It will take a couple of class action to dislodge the old fools..

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Post by FlyingMonkey » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:38 pm

Dr. Pyro wrote:That's one of the saddest things I've ever read. What is the poor ice-fishing beleaguered dipsomanic supposed to do now?
Don't worry Doc, having been ice fishing many times I can tell you that there is never a shortage of alcohol on a frozen lake.

I think it's actually supposed to be part of your first aid kit. (Band-Aids, tape, blackberry brandy)
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Post by BBadger » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:01 pm

Dr. Pyro wrote:That's one of the saddest things I've ever read. What is the poor ice-fishing beleaguered dipsomanic supposed to do now?
But what if some kids take it down with a Stinger and get drunk from the beer? Will someone please think of the children!?!!
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Post by some seeing eye » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:48 pm

The drone to loft beer and carry it more than a mile will be large enough and carry enough fuel I'm glad the government is concerned.

I'm more concerned about shoddy media reprinting fraudulent PR. Taking a picture of a battery copter on top of a half case of beer and issuing a press release is fraudulent. That the FAA fell for it is sad.

Anyone in the industry is well aware of FAA activities and probably involved.
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Post by chuckularone » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:46 am

I saw that video earlier today (was posted on a homebrewing board) and my first thought was. There's NO WAY that little quad-copter can carry that load. I can't imagine it could carry that empty box all that far given the sail area of the box.

I'm calling BS on the whole thing.
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