Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

What to wear? What not to wear? Come here to find and how to make anything you'd wear on your body - from goggles and playawear to bodypainting and adornments.
maladroit
Posts: 2290
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:37 pm
Burning Since: 2012

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby maladroit » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:17 am

BurnLiker wrote:that's exactly the problem I'm talking about, everyone is so sensitive anymore. it's like your looking for ways to be offended. political correctness limits expression, it is a cancer on our society. I'd like to think burning man is a little sanctuary from all that bs, maybe that makes me an idealist but so be it,


You're free to not believe what I'm telling you about the actual event, which I have attended and you have not. It's not possible to bring 69,999 people with you to the desert and leave behind the basic facts of human interaction.

User avatar
StrepThroatHaver
Posts: 19
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:57 am
Burning Since: 2015

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby StrepThroatHaver » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:24 am

i do hope you guys have good burns, this all has me worried

BurnLiker
Posts: 10
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:03 am
Burning Since: 2015
Camp Name: none...YET ;)

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby BurnLiker » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:25 am

I mean, that's they're problem. personally I wouldn't give it a second thought and feel like anybody who really "gets" burning man would probably do the same.

User avatar
Jovankat
Posts: 1670
Joined: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:11 am
Burning Since: 2013
Camp Name: Methuselah's Children
Location: Oakland or Australia

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Jovankat » Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:08 pm

If there is any place that should be free from worried about political correctness these days, honestly, it should be Burning Man. It's one of the reasons I'm so excited about going. the whole PC crowd and SJW are probably the biggest porblem facing our society today in addition to wasteful spending.


Actually there's quite a bit of crossover between burners and socially progressive folks. If you think the biggest problem in society are people who are fighting for equality and respect for minorities it sounds like maybe you could learn some valuable lessons in the desert. Also the amount of spending that people do on Burning Man could easily be considered wasteful.

pink
Posts: 1365
Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:30 am
Burning Since: 2005
Camp Name: Retrofrolic
Location: sacramento

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby pink » Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:00 pm

BurnLiker wrote:I mean, that's they're problem. personally I wouldn't give it a second thought and feel like anybody who really "gets" burning man would probably do the same.


You don't really "get" burning man because you haven't been. So you really don't have any idea what you are talking about. Really. So I have just as much right to get in someone's face with a megaphone when I see cheap moopy feathers, regardless of cultural appropriation or anything else.

Everything you think you know at this point is simply conjecture. And a lot of burners aren't really thrilled with people that just come because they've heard it's a great "party".
I'm not a slut, I'm good time floozy!

User avatar
GreyCoyote
Posts: 2137
Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:24 am
Burning Since: 2000

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby GreyCoyote » Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:23 pm

Listening to a burgin talk about what is or isnt "burningman" is like listening to a virgin talk about sex.

Yeah, you saw a few youtube vids, had a friend who went "all the way" and told you what it was like, and maybe you read a manual and have seen some dirty pictures in a tabloid. So now you're an expert and we should listen to your opinions?

Get dusty and then get back to us at the end of September.
"To sum up my compassion level, I think we should feed the unwanted animals to the homeless. Or visa versa. Too much attention and money is spent on both."
(A Beautiful Mind)

User avatar
Bless
Posts: 1170
Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:43 pm
Burning Since: 2012
Location: District of Columbia

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Bless » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:54 am

Image
FUCK YOU, I'M A WIZARD. FUCK YOU, I'M A SHARK.

User avatar
Wrath
Posts: 164
Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:37 pm
Location: Tenderloin Heights

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Wrath » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:36 am

BurnLiker wrote:Let's party. :twisted:

I just puked a little in my mouth. Thanks.

maladroit
Posts: 2290
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:37 pm
Burning Since: 2012

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby maladroit » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:40 am

GreyCoyote wrote:Listening to a burgin talk about what is or isnt "burningman" is like listening to a virgin talk about sex.


I actually feel uncomfortable sometimes giving advice when 2015 will only be my fourth year.

User avatar
theCryptofishist
Posts: 40303
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:28 am
Burning Since: 2017
Location: In Exile

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:21 pm

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

User avatar
BBadger
Posts: 5617
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:37 am
Burning Since: 2018
Location: (near) Portland, OR, USA

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby BBadger » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:09 pm

I saw a take-down of a girl wearing a native-American-headdress in Center Camp. The girl was tackled to the ground by officers of the Cultural Appropriation Police, and the headdress confiscated as evidence. She was then cited, forced into prisoner fatigues, and hauled off to the sound of a cheering crowd.

Serve and protect!
"The essence of tyranny is not iron law. It is capricious law." -- Christopher Hitchens

Hate reading my replies? Click here to add me to your plonk (foe) list.

User avatar
theCryptofishist
Posts: 40303
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:28 am
Burning Since: 2017
Location: In Exile

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:04 pm

Did they tar and feather her? Those center camp mobs can do all sorts of ugly things when they are hepped up on coffee.
The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

User avatar
Tiahaar
Posts: 1133
Joined: Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:13 pm
Burning Since: 2003
Camp Name: Starship Palomino
Location: Mojave Desert, CA (also Forever via Pandora)

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Tiahaar » Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:06 pm

Pirate an NDN say 'suuuk eeet, haters, we be doin our thing' :twisted:

Image
Burning Man 2003-15; Desert Carillon, HypnoHorse, Ulaume's Chimes, Iron Native, Black Rock Solar, Portal Collective, Center Camp Café Stage and Sound Tech
Starship Palomino

User avatar
Elderberry
Moderator
Posts: 14246
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:00 pm
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: Mudskipper Cafe
Location: Palm Springs
Contact:

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Elderberry » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:56 am

SolarDor wrote:
Dr. Pyro wrote:Hay guys, give the dude a break. He's staying in Deaf Camp. You really need to write a little louder.


Very nice display, here. Not sure what you're getting at. I am hearing and an ally of Deaf Culture. But, thanks for having my back on that one...


It was a joke. Dr. Pyro runs "Barbie Death Camp and Wine Bistro". Walking by that camp on my first burn was when I really "got" what Burning Man was all about and why I liked it so much.
JK
Image
http://www.mudskippercafe.com
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.

User avatar
Lonesomebri
Posts: 2352
Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:54 pm
Burning Since: 2018
Camp Name: CAMP THREAT
Location: NorCal

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Lonesomebri » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:14 pm

firstworlddick.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
"If this is the best of all possible worlds, what are the others?"
- Voltaire, Candide

User avatar
DerbyDave 18
Posts: 101
Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:06 pm
Burning Since: 2015

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby DerbyDave 18 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:49 pm

Okay, so I had my DNA tested and one of the things I found is that I am part..a very small part but still a part.. Native American. So does that mean it would be socially acceptable for me to wear a headdress at the Burn? Also, since I don't look Native American will people be upset with me because they think I'm being disrespectful even though I'm not? Should I wear a sign saying I'm 1% Native American so don't get mad at me or something like that? I certainly wouldn't want to offend anyone while I'm there. :wink:

User avatar
BBadger
Posts: 5617
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:37 am
Burning Since: 2018
Location: (near) Portland, OR, USA

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby BBadger » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:03 am

The qualification is whether you're entitled to a cut of reservation casino profits (1/16th). As long as you carry the correct paperwork while wearing a douchey feather head-dress you should be fine.

Otherwise, you risk running afoul of the Cultural Appropriation Police (CAP). I witnessed first-hand a take-down by the CAP:

DSC00475_takedown.jpg


[media]
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
"The essence of tyranny is not iron law. It is capricious law." -- Christopher Hitchens

Hate reading my replies? Click here to add me to your plonk (foe) list.

User avatar
gaminwench
Posts: 2667
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:57 am
Burning Since: 1999
Camp Name: DOTA, EoD, OBOP, Destiny Lounge
Location: Shangri-la

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby gaminwench » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:09 am

Completely consensual.

I hope that they did this again, when hippie haven was more populated.
"the prophecies of doom were better last year" trilo

User avatar
Dr. Pyro
Posts: 4537
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:11 am
Burning Since: 1999
Camp Name: Barbie Death Camp & Wine Bistro
Location: Newcastle, CA
Contact:

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Dr. Pyro » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:43 am

DerbyDave 18 wrote:Okay, so I had my DNA tested and one of the things I found is that I am part..a very small part but still a part.. Native American. So does that mean it would be socially acceptable for me to wear a headdress at the Burn? Also, since I don't look Native American will people be upset with me because they think I'm being disrespectful even though I'm not? Should I wear a sign saying I'm 1% Native American so don't get mad at me or something like that? I certainly wouldn't want to offend anyone while I'm there. :wink:

Screw those people who might give you a hard time. If they give you any crap, scalp 'em.

User avatar
Molotov
Posts: 409
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:03 am
Burning Since: 2014
Camp Name: ESD Camp "The 'Burbs" exiled to 3:17 & G
Location: Lone Star, Texas

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Molotov » Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:27 am

Russell Means, American Indian activist and film star, says any American born in the United States is a native American. He no longer checks "native American" on surveys or applications that collect ethnic identity, but instead writes in "American Indian", which he feels more accurately describes him.

Basically, if the government doesn't want any native born Americans calling themselves Native American, they should refine the definition of the term.

User avatar
Captain Goddammit
Posts: 7830
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:34 am
Burning Since: 2000
Camp Name: First Camp
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Captain Goddammit » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:58 pm

That's why I hate the bullshit term "African American". You're an American, period. And suppose a white guy from Africa comes here and becomes a citizen. Then what?
What do the politically correct ass wipes call black people over in the UK?
GreyCoyote: "At this rate it wont be long before he is Admiral Fukkit."
Delle: Singularly we may be dysfunctional misfits, but together we're magic.

User avatar
Dr. Pyro
Posts: 4537
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:11 am
Burning Since: 1999
Camp Name: Barbie Death Camp & Wine Bistro
Location: Newcastle, CA
Contact:

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Dr. Pyro » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:56 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote: ?
What do the politically correct ass wipes call black people over in the UK?

I generally call them by their first names.

User avatar
Bless
Posts: 1170
Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:43 pm
Burning Since: 2012
Location: District of Columbia

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Bless » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:26 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:That's why I hate the bullshit term "African American". You're an American, period. And suppose a white guy from Africa comes here and becomes a citizen. Then what?
What do the politically correct ass wipes call black people over in the UK?


Brits of African decent?

I mean we could call the Brits "browns." We could call real dark Africans "blacks." And we could call Asians "yellows." And we could call Native American/Indian Americans "redskins." I prefer "pinks " or "peaches" to "whites" for Caucasians. We could call Hispanics "oranges" because "yellow" is already taken.

What other skin pigments are there out there? I like this game. Just boil everything down to color-coded terms. Why didn't someone think of this sooner? I'm sure Trump would be on board. Fuck political correctness.
FUCK YOU, I'M A WIZARD. FUCK YOU, I'M A SHARK.

User avatar
Savannah
Moderator
Posts: 12355
Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:33 pm
Burning Since: 2018

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Savannah » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:10 am

Say it loud: I'm Beige and I'm proud.
*** 2017 Survival Guide ***

"I must've lost it when I was twerking at the trash fence." -- BBadger

"Snark away, ePlaya, you magnificent bastards." -- McStrangle

User avatar
MyDearFriend
Posts: 3729
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:22 am
Burning Since: 2011
Camp Name: Barbie Death Camp THIRTEENTH BARBIE
Location: Washington, DC

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby MyDearFriend » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:03 am

Dr. Pyro wrote:
Captain Goddammit wrote: ?
What do the politically correct ass wipes call black people over in the UK?

I generally call them by their first names.


Doc: I don't know why you felt qualified to answer this question since you are IN NO WAY politically correct. :lol:
"Burning Man ruined my life as I knew it, and I have never been happier." -mgb327

"BTW I'm not your wife so don't lie to me." -Ratty

User avatar
trilobyte
Site Admin
Posts: 16452
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:54 pm
Burning Since: 2004
Camp Name: Eridu Society
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby trilobyte » Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:17 am

Making a poor attempt at getting back to the subject of cultural appropriation when it comes to clothing and playawear at Burning Man.. I don't think it's a problem when you dress in the clothing style of anybody's culture or ethnicity if it's done with care and respect.

The main problem people have with cultural appropriation is that people feel like something that's important (to them, their family, and/or their loved ones) is being disrespected, trashed, or treated like the butt of a joke. That's understandable, nobody wants to feel that way. The person who's been made to feel that way understandably feels slighted, and it likely brings up all kinds of feelings of persecution or inequality and... well, deep psychological stuff because racism and bigotry cause some deep wounds.

In many cases, the person wearing the cheap headdress (or whatever the offending costume was) probably was not actively thinking about ways they could make somebody else feel terrible. Hell, they probably had only good intentions and are, at most, guilty of not really thinking about how what they wear might make somebody else feel.

If you're excited about a culture or a style of dress or a costume you love, I say ROCK THAT! Burning Man is exactly the place to do that, do your best to make something that will make you happy to wear. At the very worst, you may find yourself having an awkward conversation with a stranger who misunderstood where you're coming from, but in conversation that should work itself out pretty quickly.

User avatar
delle
Posts: 1984
Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:13 am

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby delle » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:49 pm

At least a couple of women rocked hiqabs or the like in "inappropriate" ways this year. One led her man around on a leash. Another wore only a honking black strap on and boots besides. Had I seen either not just in pictures, I’d have been thrilled. Not because they were making any kind of a statement that I agreed with, but because they totally tickled my funny bone with something surprising and absurd, and THAT is why I go to Burning Man.

Now I wish I'd brought a cowboy hat and a couple of six-shooters last year, so Tatonka and I could play Cowboys and Indians around the Northpole shade. By the sounds of this thread, we could easily have out-shocked them all. How sad is that?
Worry is a misuse of imagination

She had blue skin, And so did he.
He kept it hid And so did she.
They searched for blue Their whole life through,
Then passed right by- And never knew.”

Shel Silverstein

User avatar
delle
Posts: 1984
Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:13 am

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby delle » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:59 pm

And really, what is “Hippie Gear” if not about 80% delights borrowed from diverse cultures.

Only knock I ever hear about them is the smell, never "OMG, the international MAYHEM you are wearing! You should be ashamed!!"
Worry is a misuse of imagination

She had blue skin, And so did he.
He kept it hid And so did she.
They searched for blue Their whole life through,
Then passed right by- And never knew.”

Shel Silverstein

User avatar
tatonka
Posts: 2662
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:28 pm
Burning Since: 2013
Camp Name: Rancho Deluxe
Location: oregon

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby tatonka » Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:32 pm

delle wrote:At least a couple of women rocked hiqabs or the like in "inappropriate" ways this year. One led her man around on a leash. Another wore only a honking black strap on and boots besides. Had I seen either not just in pictures, I’d have been thrilled. Not because they were making any kind of a statement that I agreed with, but because they totally tickled my funny bone with something surprising and absurd, and THAT is why I go to Burning Man.

Now I wish I'd brought a cowboy hat and a couple of six-shooters last year, so Tatonka and I could play Cowboys and Indians around the Northpole shade. By the sounds of this thread, we could easily have out-shocked them all. How sad is that?


A showdown ? or a INDN wrestling match :) Wrestling would be more fun :)

Image
" Make me strong , not to be superiour to my brothers , to fight my greatest enemy ....... myself . " Chief Dan George .

User avatar
Simon of the Playa
Posts: 18144
Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:25 pm
Burning Since: 1996
Camp Name: La Guilde des Hashischins
Location: Rochester, Nevada.

Re: Cultural Appropriation and Burning Man

Postby Simon of the Playa » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:10 am

burning man culture is being appropriated left and right.


where is the outcry?



"bitch, take off those furry boots, you're not a REAL RAVER"
Frida Be You & Me


Return to “Clothing & Playawear”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests