cooling your tent or van

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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by FIGJAM » Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:33 pm

This is the box cooler made of wood instead of FRP.

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After the box is glued and screwed, I used regular painters caulk on the interior joints before putting a heavy coat of the Henrys elastomer roof coating on the whole thing to seal it inside and out.

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To install the intake panels, I ran a heavy bead of 100% silicone caulk on the registers and screwed them in place.

Make sure these are all the same distance from the top as they will support the pvc for the water, and to get an even flow you'll want them the same height.

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When I installed the pads, I added some wire to secure the pads to the registers.

14 gauge copper or bailing wire will work for this.

It will make sure that ALL the air has to pass through the wet pads.

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The wire goes through the pad at the corners of the registers and bends up on the outside of the cooler.

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The lid is hinged on the side away from the fan for easy filling.

I added some weather stripping (siliconed) for a good seal, and a small chain so the lid would'nt tweek the small hinges.

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Once the endless breeze fan and the pump get here I can finish this cooler.

This is my favorite pump.

https://www.greenlivingforu.com/products/fountains

It will hold 12 gals of water and there's room for a case of beer in the bottom.

It will use about 3/4s of a gallon of water per hour on the low fan speed.

It will cool a space up to 3000 cubic feet on high.

Power needed will be...

12 volt DC

1.5amps on low speed (250cfm)

1.92amps on medium speed (500cfm)

2.82amps on high speed! (900 cfm= to 10mph breeze)


Hope this helps you enjoy your BURNNNNNNNNNNN!!! 8)
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by FIGJAM » Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:35 pm

POWER!!!

These designs are all 12 volt DC.

So any 12 volt DC source will run them.

The costco 115AH marine battery should run any of these designs 5 or 6 hours a day for the whole week without having to recharge.(price, $90)

I use a Deka 105AH AGM deep cycle battery. (price $240, but I get factory seconds for $140)

You can also go solar!

From what I've read, a 50 watt panel is what you'll need, but I don't have any practical experience with solar.

And finally, keep it simple!

This is an easy project, and although there is a lot of good technical information in this thread, you don't need all of it to build a cooler.

I'll be refering interested Burners to this page so that they won't have to start at the beginning! 8)

Big thanks to Yellowdog and everyony who has contributed to this monster thread!

Edit: The pad size for the first tube on the bucket cooler is 30"s, not 33"s! :oops:
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by Rainbowmama » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:23 pm

So excited to finally get to a Burn! It's going to be our first year, we are camping with very seasoned burners, but would like to be self sufficient so I'm starting the learning and research early (since we have never ever camped). We are going with either a hexayurt or a 5m canvas bell tent like this Image

At least 2x the money, but 10x the utility of a hexayurt post burn, and since I'm desperately trying to avoid renting an rv @$3k, anything less is gravy. So my question is what do I need to cool this tent? Adequate sleep will be crucial to avoid crankiness, so I've got to keep hubby reasonably cool for sleep. I'm happy to build either cooler, box or bucket. How would I get the cool air into the tent from the bucket? Or from the unicooler or box? The windows are quite low. Will the vents in the top of the tent be sufficient? Thanks for helping a virgin get it right! We are in north San Diego. So we will test it out before heading to the playa.

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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by FIGJAM » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:11 pm

Try to calculate the cubic footage of the space being cooled.

The bucket is good up to 600 cu.ft.

If the tent isn't shaded, then build the box cooler.

If the floor is not attached to the tent, I would just raise the "skirt" and drape it around the fan.

I would still set it up to blow directly on the bed so you can nap anytime during the day.

The top vents look plenty big enough. 8)
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by MacGlenver » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:21 pm

Rainbowmama wrote:So excited to finally get to a Burn! It's going to be our first year, we are camping with very seasoned burners, but would like to be self sufficient so I'm starting the learning and research early (since we have never ever camped). We are going with either a hexayurt or a 5m canvas bell tent like this

At least 2x the money, but 10x the utility of a hexayurt post burn, and since I'm desperately trying to avoid renting an rv @$3k, anything less is gravy. So my question is what do I need to cool this tent? Adequate sleep will be crucial to avoid crankiness, so I've got to keep hubby reasonably cool for sleep. I'm happy to build either cooler, box or bucket. How would I get the cool air into the tent from the bucket? Or from the unicooler or box? The windows are quite low. Will the vents in the top of the tent be sufficient? Thanks for helping a virgin get it right! We are in north San Diego. So we will test it out before heading to the playa.
I'd suggest going with the box setup. That is a BIG tent. Also, I'd recommend draping some aluminet over the top to help out your swamp cooler. My 10x15 canvas tent without shade was not sufficiently cooled by the bucket (though I also dont think I had the pad arranged correctly).
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by FIGJAM » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:33 pm

I think you needed more cooler Mac.

At those dimensions you were at about 900cu.ft.

Too much for the bucket, especially without shade. 8)
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by MacGlenver » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:47 pm

FIGJAM wrote:I think you needed more cooler Mac.

At those dimensions you were at about 900cu.ft.

Too much for the bucket, especially without shade. 8)
Yeah, I knew i was risking it being under-powered. I ended up sticking the ducting up my kilt while lounging under our shade structure. I was the envy of the camp :)
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Post by TT120 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:15 pm

I used my bucket cooler mostly when I was just lounging around camp. I'd just point the vent at me sitting in my chair. I only really took one afternoon nap the whole when I needed it blowing inside the tent.
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by Canoe » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:58 pm

Rainbowmama wrote:...We are going with either a hexayurt or a 5m canvas bell tent like this
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Will the vents in the top of the tent be sufficient?
I love the look. Even if it reminds me of the days of getting dragged out of bed before the sunrise.

Yes, the vents in the top of the tent will be sufficient. Sufficient for:
  • letting the hot dry dusty air to leave the tent, so the cool moist dust free air from the swamp cooler can come in. And,
  • for letting the hot dusty air to blow back in when you're away (and the swamp-cooler is off) or the wind picks up
    (as in, 75 mph picks up; as in, can pick up tents and relocate them)
    read through viewtopic.php?f=277&t=67809 and make your choice.
    And possibly something like pool noodles to stick in the vents to minimize dust coming in during a big blow.
    Do close or cover everything you don't want coated with dust.
  • and possibly sufficient for catching enough of a strong wind that it might rip the top of your tent open.
    • do see if you can find someone who was had the same type, brand & model of tent on the playa during a strong wind.
    • you might want/be-able to add some reinforcing stitching around those vents and up to the top pole.
And possibly some reinforcement where guy-lines attach. And corners.
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by Canoe » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:08 pm

And although a single guy-line is sufficient in most conditions, for the one on either side of the opening, and off the peak of the opening, to prevent them blowing back and forth too much in a strong wind, consider where you might want to have two guy-lines per attachment point; allows you to limit how far it can move without having it over-tightened. Do it right and you'd still have a clear channel straight into the center of the entrance.
viewtopic.php?f=277&t=68187#p993637

Here's the full treatment, adding a guy-line where you've already got one, but each going to a different peg. If I've got it right, only one more tent peg than stock. Notice the lines going from out to the side up to the peak over the entrance.

You can see how tent pegs like Figjam's lagbolts with two chain links can make for far less chance of a stubbed toe, or far less worse if someone falls on them.
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And some people swear by having a bit of something stretchy between the buy-line and the peg, so it can give a little in a heavy wind.

IF AT ALL POSSIBLE: find someone who's had the same tent on playa, so can find out how to make it work well, so you're not the guinea pig.

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When you're on the playa, ask someone who knows which way to NOT point the entrance of your tent.
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by Milayna » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:52 pm

Hey Figjam!! so this year I will finally be building your bucket cooler, as last year I was INSANELY jealous of my campmates who built one.

Here's my question- Do you have any photos, or further instruction on the part where you connect the wires to the actual battery? I feel like I have a firm grasp on the whole thing except for that part. I won't lie when it comes to electronics I'm pretty clueless :?

I'm just not clear on exactly how the wires connect to each other and the battery.....THANK YOU!!!!!!! :) :)

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Post by Rainbowmama » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:28 pm

Volume of the bell tent is approx 690 cubic feet. If I get the inner tent that divided it half, and positioned the cooler on that side, where the bed is, we should be ok with the bucket, which would allow me to duct it toward the mesh window right?? It's only 2ft high at the windows so the airflow has to be low. Can the box cooler be built low to the ground and be effective? I got the idea for the bell tent here on eplaya, where it gets some rave reviews, and according to those reviews (and many I their site) does beautifully in high wind. I admit to knowing absolutely nothing. I have so much to learn and an rv would be infinitely easier, but hubby hates them, and I've never done adventure the easy way, only the awesome way :lol:

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Post by Canoe » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:06 pm

Note that the bucket cooler has its cooled air coming out the top, where you'd have to duct it down to get into the tent through one of those windows anyways. You can duct that to whatever height you like, as long as it is not too high (issues getting from a bucket cooker on the ground to push the air up to an RV window for example).

Same for ducting the output from a uni-cooler or box cooler (the foil-sided bubble-wrap, reflectix, works well, taped together with aluminum foil tape). If built too low to the ground, you have to watch out for still having a water reservoir that is deep enough to keep the pump submerged and with enough run time. I'd be inclined to build one in the proportions that we know work and work well, then simply duct the output. The big advantage of the box versions, is the fan that is used.

Keeping the other windows and the door closed, such that the hot air (that rises to the top) goes out the roof vents, works well as the incoming cooled air stays down low where you are while it's the hottest air that is getting exhausted.

A bucket cooler will be better than no cooler, but without shade, the tent will soak up heat, from direct sunlight and from re-radiated heat. So with a bucket cooler you'll be struggling, with a box version you'll do a much better job, and with the Endless Breeze fan, it won't be a power hog either.
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Post by TT120 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:10 pm

TT120 wrote:I spliced longer wires to the pump and fan and then just connected them both to the battery. Works fine.

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Post by FIGJAM » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:03 pm

Rainbowmama wrote:Volume of the bell tent is approx 690 cubic feet. If I get the inner tent that divided it half, and positioned the cooler on that side, where the bed is, we should be ok with the bucket, which would allow me to duct it toward the mesh window right?? It's only 2ft high at the windows so the airflow has to be low. Can the box cooler be built low to the ground and be effective? I got the idea for the bell tent here on eplaya, where it gets some rave reviews, and according to those reviews (and many I their site) does beautifully in high wind. I admit to knowing absolutely nothing. I have so much to learn and an rv would be infinitely easier, but hubby hates them, and I've never done adventure the easy way, only the awesome way :lol:
How big is this "window"?

I think you need a unicooler, but increase the size of the air intake vent to 20"x20".

That way the cooler will be inside the tent and you can just set it with the air intake against the window.

This is the larger unicooler that I made for the new playapod and you can set it up the same way in your tent.

Hatch open to show the air intake, same as your window.

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Inside the pod where the cooler and controls are.

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It would have been nice to have the box version, but this way I don't have it hanging off the back of the pod or stopping the door from fully opening. 8)

Put some tape over the mesh so that it leaves a 20"x20" opening on your tent window.

When you enter the hot tent, turn the fan on high and it will blow out the hot air in one minute, then turn it down to low or med. 8)
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by Milayna » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:49 pm

Thank you TT120!! That's very helpful! :)

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Post by TT120 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:14 pm

Milayna wrote:Thank you TT120!! That's very helpful! :)
No problem Milayna! Just make sure to keep the polarity correct for the fan and the pump. All the positives go together and all the negatives go together.
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by Rainbowmama » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:00 pm

You all are so helpful! I wish I knew the easy answer for which is the best way to go....tent or hexayurt. Either way I'm excited to build a cooler :-)

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Post by Bounce530 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:11 pm

Ducting- we just ran a dryer hose into the tent, and used a clothes pin to clip the end of the hose to the top of the tent. It would blow around a bit, but our tent is so small it didn't matter. ( I took a small plastic flower pot and cut it down to connect the dryer duct to the PVC. The angle of the pot made it fit perfectly)

wires to battery- Basically did the same as TT.
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Post by Bounce530 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:23 pm

Since we're talking buckets;

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It's still an original coupon if you print it yourself...right??
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Post by Canoe » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:49 pm

Bounce530 wrote:Ducting- ...I took a small plastic flower pot and cut it down to connect the dryer duct to the PVC. The angle of the pot made it fit perfectly
Good to know!

How did that little solar cell work out?
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Post by FIGJAM » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:52 pm

I think that was on the harbor freight solar pump.
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Post by Bounce530 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:25 pm

Correct, the solar panel is for the HF fountain pump. It worked 'ok' but didn't pump the water fully around the drip hose. Although I think my holes on the drip tube may be to large, or too close together.

The flower pot "adapter"
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Post by FIGJAM » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:19 pm

Bounce, that pump does alright under perfect conditions, but only then.

A little dust on the panel, the slightest cloud cover, or the panel not pointed directly at the sun and your cooler won't get the full effect.

Lots of 12 volt pumps online for $8 to $20.

The ones I use are up to almost $50 now from $14, but they have lasted 4 years so far. 8)
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Post by Bounce530 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:57 pm

Gotcha, I'm going to update the pump before the next journey.
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Post by tatonka » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:57 am

made the shut off switch for my cooler , no when the water gets to low , the littleman in the boat tugs the connection loose and the pump wont burn up :)

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Post by sadie » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:18 pm

Hi Figjam,
Greetings from Texas.
I must agree with many fellow posters that this is a fantastic thread. I applaud your patience and willingness to answer the same questions over and over...thank you, and hats off to your playa tested designs.
My first burn will be Caravansary! I have been planning and building for about a year now and making decent progress. I am in the process of gathering everything I will need to build one of your famous bucket coolers.
My only question is this - do you feel like a rock star when you see all of the bucket coolers at TTITD? You should!!
I will do my best to take pictures and share the results of my build. - I am looking forward to meeting you, as well as many others on eplaya in a few short months.
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Post by FIGJAM » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:49 pm

sadie wrote:My only question is this - do you feel like a rock star when you see all of the bucket coolers at TTITD? You should!!Sadie
Not really.

I designed it for my first burn and shared it as my gift to the masses.

The site I store my pics on says those photos have been viewed 2,500,000 times.

This thread has more than 300,000 views.

I'm guessing there may be 3 or 4 thousand coolers at the burn now.

To me the most important part of going to the playa is having a comfortable place to crash when the body says "ENOUGH ALREADY"

It's easy to stay up for a couple of days because of sensory overload, then one day at 2pm you realize you just gotta get some sleep.

A well rested burner is a happy burner!

Thank you!!! 8)
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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by fernley1 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:15 am

Figjam, I am starting to make this cooler for next year and have a few questions.
Are the blue pads cut to the height of the bucket? I think my bucket my be taller then the one you used.
And, is the outer pad slighty shorter then the inner pad?
Your directions state that they both should be cut to 13 inches, but the inner one looks taller.
Thanks for this great design.

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Re: cooling your tent or van

Post by FIGJAM » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:47 am

The outer pad with the drip line on top should be flush with the lid so that it creates somewhat of a seal to force all the air through the damp pad.

The inner pad sticks up a little higher to act as a retainer for the drip line so it can't shift around.

The inner pad height doesn't have to be exact as the outer pad will hold it as high as you like. 8)
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