Occupy BRC Ticket Solution

[vargaso]

Ha! Well, I guess I'm a few days late on this.

[theCryptofishist]

There are still thousands of burners out there who haven't come up with it yet. You're in the first ten!

[sandgoddess]

No One wants to Occupy Winnemucca...

no one.

I like Winnemucca.

[ygmir]

No One wants to Occupy Winnemucca...

no one.

I like Winnemucca.

Winnemucca Hotel, BEST BASQUE RESTAURANT!!!

[sandgoddess]

No One wants to Occupy Winnemucca...

no one.

I like Winnemucca.

Winnemucca Hotel, BEST BASQUE RESTAURANT!!!

Yum! Some of the best Basque food I've ever eaten, outside of Downtown Boise's Basque Block. The Pig is has great BBQ too. Owned and operated by a long time Burner with a very cool art car.

[DrYes]

So next year why don’t we try the Occupy approach…let’s Occupy Black Rock City and not leave under protest that we demand a no limit to the event population. Hey it’s a start.
Peace

Yes, by god, you're right. We're the .01% that attends Burning Man and it's high time that our government take our demands for more first world fun in the desert seriously.

*pounds his fist on the table for emphasis*

WE ARE THE .01% AND WE'RE TIRED OF THE GOVERNMENT OPPRESSION THAT MIGHT MEAN ONLY 50,000 OF US CAN PARTY IN THE DESERT FOR A WEEK!!! And give us free whippits too you goddam jack-booted thugs!

[trilobyte]

Of course you're gonna be well and truly fucked if the cops tell you 'no tents' like the other occupants.

[Laughing Forest]

This is all just so UNFAIR!!!

The Burning Man 1% have made manifesting a ticket IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

[dirtstu]

If we get lucky and get a ticket via the lotto ...here is the plan....
1. Enjoy the 2012 burn.
2. When the 2012 burn is over and it is time to leave the playa, Camp Spank of America will stay and Occupy the playa!
3. Hopefully there will be other hippies that want to hang out and stand up for the 99%
4. When the sheriff , BLM and other officials come to arrest us they will need to remove a tent albeit a rather large tent.
5. Once the 1% hear that another bank is about to go down, they will contact the treasury which will work up a bail out plan.
6. After the bail out there will be free tickets to the 2013 burn available for all of us and there will be no limit.
6b. If the bail out plan fails, the feds haul our butts jail. Which is not so bad as they will need to haul all the camp stuff to the dump.Which is where it is gonna end up anyways.

Radical Self Implosion

ps
I suspect this will probably decrease my chances of winning the lotto.
Flame on my fellow burners..flame on!

[junglesmacks]

This is all just so UNFAIR!!!

The Burning Man 1% have made manifesting a ticket IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

*yawn*

This wasn't funny the other 4 times that you posted the same exact thing either. Time for new material..

[Rice]

This is all just so UNFAIR!!!

The Burning Man 1% have made manifesting a ticket IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

This word "manifest" does not mean what you think it does:

man·i·fest   [man-uh-fest]
adjective
1.readily perceived by the eye or the understanding; evident; obvious; apparent; plain: a manifest error.
2.Psychoanalysis . of or pertaining to conscious feelings, ideas, and impulses that contain repressed psychic material: the manifest content of a dream as opposed to the latent content that it conceals.
verb (used with object)
3.to make clear or evident to the eye or the understanding; show plainly: He manifested his approval with a hearty laugh.
4.to prove; put beyond doubt or question: The evidence manifests the guilt of the defendant.
5.to record in a ship's manifest.
6.a list of the cargo carried by a ship, made for the use of various agents and officials at the ports of destination.
7.a list or invoice of goods transported by truck or train.
8.a list of the cargo or passengers carried on an airplane.

Not sure how this applies to getting a ticket. Most people I know work, save their money, and then get a ticket.. Each to their own. Good luck with that.

Love Rice

[ygmir]

This is all just so UNFAIR!!!

The Burning Man 1% have made manifesting a ticket IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

This word "manifest" does not mean what you think it does:

man·i·fest   [man-uh-fest]
adjective
1.readily perceived by the eye or the understanding; evident; obvious; apparent; plain: a manifest error.
2.Psychoanalysis . of or pertaining to conscious feelings, ideas, and impulses that contain repressed psychic material: the manifest content of a dream as opposed to the latent content that it conceals.
verb (used with object)
3.to make clear or evident to the eye or the understanding; show plainly: He manifested his approval with a hearty laugh.
4.to prove; put beyond doubt or question: The evidence manifests the guilt of the defendant.
5.to record in a ship's manifest.
6.a list of the cargo carried by a ship, made for the use of various agents and officials at the ports of destination.
7.a list or invoice of goods transported by truck or train.
8.a list of the cargo or passengers carried on an airplane.

Not sure how this applies to getting a ticket. Most people I know work, save their money, and then get a ticket.. Each to their own. Good luck with that.

Love Rice

HECK!! I thought she meant "man a fist", and, well, that had a whole different connotation...........

[Rice]

HECK!! I thought she meant "man a fist", and, well, that had a whole different connotation...........

Is that like wanting a man's fist??

[VultureChow]

HECK!! I thought she meant "man a fist", and, well, that had a whole different connotation...........

Is that like wanting a man's fist??

Fisto

[ygmir]

HECK!! I thought she meant "man a fist", and, well, that had a whole different connotation...........

Is that like wanting a man's fist??

Fisto

thanks for drawing a picture for ole stretch80..........

[AntiM]

I may have dated him in college.

[oneeyeddick]

looks like the cat chewed off his right foot a bit.

[AntiM]

looks like the cat chewed off his right foot a bit.

Yep, that was the guy, freshman year.

[Igneouss]

I wondered past the occupy london encampment today on the way to work. What I saw: A crowded bunch of tents. A couple of bigger tents. Some blue porta potties. In short it look pretty much like a smallslice of Burning Man transplanted to St Pauls in London.

Q: What would an occupy BM group look like? A: a theme camp. ooo baby...

Comment on the size of BM issue raised by others here:
The controlling factor is the road. Plane and simple. 50,000 people require about 24 hours (each way) of congo-line to fill or drain BRC. Various locals are not likely to tolerate much more than that.

One of two things will happen: BM will be capped near this size or entry and exit will be staggered over multiple days.

Unless they use that big pileof cash to buy up some real estate somewhere else...

[Marscrumbs]

If we make a tent city and play bongos who would know?
They did that for years in the 90's. People donated $20 for portapotties, untill the Feds (BLM) freaked out and tried to shut us down.
Larry and his lawyers made a deal, put up a orange fence and now you see the results.

[Goddess Rebecca]

What happened to radical acceptance and the main message of burning man? I do realize we also practice radical self reliance as well. Was burning man ever about money?

I agree, the new lottery system is horrific.

Burning man is a "community" and communities help each other in all the ways they can. The price scalping that occurred last year was very sad but it was a result of demand (aka too few tickets and too many wanting to go at any price). When demand exceeds quantity available, there will always be those that take advantage making a profit for themselves. Instead of bitching, maybe a better use of time would be to come up with a better solution then the lottery. Keep the tickets at the pier rate but limit the number of tickets each person at any given address can purchase to 2. Increasing the number of participants to 70,000 with a better entrance and exodus plan. We are a community of VERY CREATIVE, AMAZING people... lets start using our brains versus our fear.

Those caught scalping tickets should not be able to purchase tickets in the future, because they have forgotten or do not understand the concepts of burning man. There are two things you can buy on the playa otherwise everything else is gifted. Maybe that same concept needs to extend outside of the playa as well... Perhaps that concept should be revisited in the hearts of those burners who have forgotten it.

I love all of you by the way. I mean no disrespect. We come up with some amazing toys, camps and artwork on the playa. I am sure we can come up with a viable solution to this small issue that will work for everyone. BLM has no other use for that land. We treat it with respect and I can not believe that more "burners" will do it damage. If it was just more people that would be a different story. Perhaps, instead of 7 days our stay could be extended to 10 giving people more time to arrive and leave. If we were given a few days to enter, I think the impact would be less instead of the crushing traffic that occurs with all the dust. The same goes for the departure.

Peace, light and love,

Goddess Rebecca

[enl8enmentnow]

50,000 is the max that should ever be allowed, there's no way we should make it more than that. If people really want to go they will make sure they plan early enough to get tickets and be there. Last year it didn't sell out until way into the summer. The more demand vs. supply you have the more people get excited and put effort into going.

The only solution to the ticket problem is to make the tickets non-transferrable. Otherewise people will buy tickets even if they aren't sure they want to go knowing that they can sell them later.

[trilobyte]

Non-transferrable tickets would be a huge mistake, for reasons already discussed in several places. The 2011 didn't sell out until July, but more than half the tickets sold out in 48 hours (despite huge server problems on day 1). If you figure that a fair chunk of the people who got burned when tickets sold out, or had a close call, or knew someone who got burned or had a close call… and it creates a scenario where the event could very well sell completely out in a very short period of time. I think the random draw as it's been outlined gives people who have their shit together in January huge chances of getting a ticket, plus still makes tickets available in March through the open sale for those whose financial situations don't allow them to jump on the main sale.

[BlackRockCityPimp]

Non-transferrable tickets would be a huge mistake, for reasons already discussed in several places. The 2011 didn't sell out until July, but more than half the tickets sold out in 48 hours (despite huge server problems on day 1). If you figure that a fair chunk of the people who got burned when tickets sold out, or had a close call, or knew someone who got burned or had a close call… and it creates a scenario where the event could very well sell completely out in a very short period of time. I think the random draw as it's been outlined gives people who have their shit together in January huge chances of getting a ticket, plus still makes tickets available in March through the open sale for those whose financial situations don't allow them to jump on the main sale.

Do you think the sell out was due to the anniversary at all? I figured being the 25th was the cause of increase in sales. Personally I dont think we could ever come up with a solution to make the 99 happy so we might as well deal with it. Commited burners will just have to buy tickets first at the level they can afford. I try to go for the middle priced ones for two reasons, one I am not wealthy enough to buy highest price and two I knoiw burners with less bread than I so I leave the lower tier for them.

[trilobyte]

No, I don't think the 25th anniversary had anything to do with it. If you look at the population timeline of the event, there did not appear to be any surge in demand - it was all well within the normal average growth. 2010 is where the bigger growth spurt happened (growing by over 8K), which put the actual population incredibly close to the BLM population cap (for the first time). Then the environmental study (an important part of the renewal process) was delayed, and led the BMOrg and BLM to agree to extend the 2010 terms into 2011 so that they could have the results of the study before negotiating the next 5 year permit. What that meant is that the population cap in 2011 was the same as 2010.

That left no room to accommodate the natural growth of the event, and made a sellout almost a certainty. Based on the number of tickets in the pre-sale, main sale, and secondary sale it looks like those who don't plan are going to have a very hard time of it in 2012.

[Clar-i-ty]

HECK!! I thought she meant "man a fist", and, well, that had a whole different connotation...........

Is that like wanting a man's fist??

Fisto

thanks for drawing a picture for ole stretch80..........

Oh shit! Did I miss the fisting? Please say I didn't miss the fisting.

[BlackRockCityPimp]

No, I don't think the 25th anniversary had anything to do with it. If you look at the population timeline of the event, there did not appear to be any surge in demand - it was all well within the normal average growth. 2010 is where the bigger growth spurt happened (growing by over 8K), which put the actual population incredibly close to the BLM population cap (for the first time). Then the environmental study (an important part of the renewal process) was delayed, and led the BMOrg and BLM to agree to extend the 2010 terms into 2011 so that they could have the results of the study before negotiating the next 5 year permit. What that meant is that the population cap in 2011 was the same as 2010.

That left no room to accommodate the natural growth of the event, and made a sellout almost a certainty. Based on the number of tickets in the pre-sale, main sale, and secondary sale it looks like those who don't plan are going to have a very hard time of it in 2012.

Thank you for the specifics, nice to have hard facts available to correct my incorrect assumption. I will certainly be getting my tickets early, I am commited to making it home to the playa so I get my tix before any other non essential purchases are made.

[BBadger]

No, I don't think the 25th anniversary had anything to do with it. If you look at the population timeline of the event, there did not appear to be any surge in demand - it was all well within the normal average growth. 2010 is where the bigger growth spurt happened (growing by over 8K), which put the actual population incredibly close to the BLM population cap (for the first time). Then the environmental study (an important part of the renewal process) was delayed, and led the BMOrg and BLM to agree to extend the 2010 terms into 2011 so that they could have the results of the study before negotiating the next 5 year permit. What that meant is that the population cap in 2011 was the same as 2010.

Actually 2010 was perfectly in line with the population growth trend, just as 2011. It only looked like a spurt because the previous year (2009) had abnormally lower attendance than previous years after the market crash, especially after the 2007 and 2008 surges. BM's population probably reflects the severity of the economic conditions.

population_trend_through_2011.png

[theCryptofishist]

No, I don't think the 25th anniversary had anything to do with it. If you look at the population timeline of the event, there did not appear to be any surge in demand - it was all well within the normal average growth. 2010 is where the bigger growth spurt happened (growing by over 8K), which put the actual population incredibly close to the BLM population cap (for the first time). Then the environmental study (an important part of the renewal process) was delayed, and led the BMOrg and BLM to agree to extend the 2010 terms into 2011 so that they could have the results of the study before negotiating the next 5 year permit. What that meant is that the population cap in 2011 was the same as 2010.

That left no room to accommodate the natural growth of the event, and made a sellout almost a certainty. Based on the number of tickets in the pre-sale, main sale, and secondary sale it looks like those who don't plan are going to have a very hard time of it in 2012.

Thank you for the specifics, nice to have hard facts available to correct my incorrect assumption. I will certainly be getting my tickets early, I am commited to making it home to the playa so I get my tix before any other non essential purchases are made.

Trilo is a treasure. His patience and clarity in explaining these things have been wonderful to watch in the past six months or so.

[Elderberry]

I'd have to agree. I don't know where he finds the patience to put up with some of this crap!

No, I don't think the 25th anniversary had anything to do with it. If you look at the population timeline of the event, there did not appear to be any surge in demand - it was all well within the normal average growth. 2010 is where the bigger growth spurt happened (growing by over 8K), which put the actual population incredibly close to the BLM population cap (for the first time). Then the environmental study (an important part of the renewal process) was delayed, and led the BMOrg and BLM to agree to extend the 2010 terms into 2011 so that they could have the results of the study before negotiating the next 5 year permit. What that meant is that the population cap in 2011 was the same as 2010.

That left no room to accommodate the natural growth of the event, and made a sellout almost a certainty. Based on the number of tickets in the pre-sale, main sale, and secondary sale it looks like those who don't plan are going to have a very hard time of it in 2012.

Thank you for the specifics, nice to have hard facts available to correct my incorrect assumption. I will certainly be getting my tickets early, I am commited to making it home to the playa so I get my tix before any other non essential purchases are made.

Trilo is a treasure. His patience and clarity in explaining these things have been wonderful to watch in the past six months or so.