How it works when I talk about the lottery with angry people

[A Jester]

Now if only I could arm myself with more puppies.

[lemur]

i want to have your babies.

or give you a blowjob.


(do you have any extra tickets, btw?)

[graidawg]

i have extra tickets lemur.


that is a complete lie but ihavent had a bj in ages

[lemur]

oh, well.. i dont need a ticket for myself..

but having a few on hand would be a good way to get some bj's

[oneeyeddick]

Yes....it is.

[A Jester]

i want to have your babies.

or give you a blowjob.


(do you have any extra tickets, btw?)

Oh, I'm "defending" the lottery, so it stands to reason I have 10 extra tickets, of course.

[tinydancr]

Now if only I could arm myself with more puppies.

+1,000,000

[Killbuck]

I hate the ad, but the flow chart is fab!!!!

[International Incident]

I hate the ad, but the flow chart is fab!!!!

each time someone post a whinge we should all just respond with the "flow chart of light and truth" (well that's what i have chosen to call it anyway)

[theCryptofishist]

i want to have your babies.

or give you a blowjob.

Why can't it be both. At once.


Oh yea, anatomy isn't on your side...

[Eric]

that is a complete lie but ihavent had a bj in ages

See, if gay was a choice we'd have 90% of men bi just to get an easy blowjob. I never have this complaint.


AJester- great graphic.

[The CO]

each time someone post a whinge we should all just respond with the "flow chart of light and truth" (well that's what i have chosen to call it anyway)

Yes!

[knowmad]

that is a complete lie but ihavent had a bj in ages

See, if gay was a choice we'd have 90% of men bi just to get an easy blowjob. I never have this complaint.


AJester- great graphic.

Lame Eric. just Lame.

[lemur]

how much would it cost to run an "easy blow job" camp ?

[marcgorcey]

Did you read the FAQ about names on tickets ?

It says:

"We're counting on everyone playing fairly so we don't have to go to an "ID-specific" process for ticket sales and event entry."

[Savannah]

Did you read the FAQ about names on tickets ?

It says:

"We're counting on everyone playing fairly so we don't have to go to an "ID-specific" process for ticket sales and event entry."

Indeed it does say that, as part of a larger quote. It also says why:

Q: Why not just register each ticket with a name and require ID at the Gate to use the ticket?
A: It has been our experience that a great many tickets are purchased for giving away, ensuring a project has coverage, or selling later to a friend in need. The administrative cost of changing the name on every ticket that ever changes hands exceeds our capacity. And frankly, many of your fellow BRC citizens are uncomfortable with the notion of showing ID just to enter the event (nor suffering through even longer wait times at the Gate). While we know some events use non-transferable tickets, we're not convinced it works for our community. We're counting on everyone playing fairly so we don't have to go to an "ID-specific" process for ticket sales and event entry.

. . . I wonder how much more tickets would cost if the Org had to be ready to reassign names every time someone wanted to sell? . . .

[marcgorcey]

They could allow it through the website.

Not sure why it would cost that much more.

[Raymaker]

. . . I wonder how much more tickets would cost if the Org had to be ready to reassign names every time someone wanted to sell? . . .

I never understood this argument your always putting out there… on the one hand, it's all about get your act together, and this argument is all about but what about the people who don't get their act together… your using a negative to diss a positive. So ok there maybe a few who have to back out at the last moment because they break their back skiing, or a family member dies, but I bet that % comes nowhere near the % of scalpers.

Why not, if your not sure, leave tickets for those who are?

NB also if you break your back or a family member dies, do you really think selling or passing on a BM ticket would be a priority?

[AntiM]

People scrape to buy the ticket, add a family or medical emergency to the situation, they need to be able to sell the ticket quickly in order to get the cash. It happens more frequently than you'd think.

[BBadger]

. . . I wonder how much more tickets would cost if the Org had to be ready to reassign names every time someone wanted to sell? . . .

I never understood this argument your always putting out there… on the one hand, it's all about get your act together, and this argument is all about but what about the people who don't get their act together… your using a negative to diss a positive.

Are these "positive" ideas spoken ex cathedra?

No? Then bringing up "negatives" to "diss" a positive is perfectly valid and, in fact, a regular part in an exchange of ideas. If you don't want these "positive ideas" open to scrutiny, kindly don't open your mouth and proclaim them.

So ok there maybe a few who have to back out at the last moment because they break their back skiing, or a family member dies, but I bet that % comes nowhere near the % of scalpers.

Oh spare us your empty statistics. The number of tickets in scalper hands is not known, nor the number of informal ticket transactions involving ticket transfers. The only thing that might be known is how many will-call tickets got transferred. In any case, none of these things you have even the slightest bit of data on. What more, you're limiting these cases to an extremely small subset of a variety of cases in which tickets may be transferred.

On the subject of other reasons for transferring tickets: have you ever considered the fact that people purchase their tickets without even knowing who is going to use them at the time of purchase? It's not just last-minute transfers. Last year I bought two tickets, one for me, one for a friend, without knowing exactly whom.

If such an ID/name system were implemented I would have simply used a surrogate ticket holder, and then worked out the details later in much the same way as people gamed the lottery system by using extra friends and relatives enter for registrations. In the same way, if I'm a scalper, I can still transfer that ticket to anyone of my choosing. Even if ticket transfers were at ZERO cost, what the hell have we gained? Nothing.

Tack on the extra time and energy needed to transfer every physical ticket--especially once they've been printed up with photos and IDs--and we have a net loss in time and energy, for no gain.

B-b-but the Glastonbury Festival "solved scalping" by printing names and photos on tickets!

Yeah, because the Glastonbury Festival requires tickets to be sold back to the festival for a refund. There is no ticket transferring at all, at least to the people you want to transfer tickets to. It becomes essentially an enforced STEP program. That is something I would not relish either, but a subject for another day.

[Raymaker]

Oh spare us your empty statistics. The number of tickets in scalper hands is not known, nor the number of informal ticket transactions involving ticket transfers.

I agree.

[marcgorcey]

. . . I wonder how much more tickets would cost if the Org had to be ready to reassign names Yeah, because the Glastonbury Festival requires tickets to be sold back to the festival for a refund. There is no ticket transferring at all, at least to the people you want to transfer tickets to. It becomes essentially an enforced STEP program. That is something I would not relish either, but a subject for another day.

Yes, you're right. An enforced STEP program. That would cut the legs out from scalpers, at the cost of not allowing people to buy "maybe" tickets as you've said.

I think that that's a better option than what we have today. I have no problem committing to going and - if I can't make it - letting my ticket go to another stranger who really plans on going.

In fact, I thought that the lottery system was going to create that kind of space and I trusted that the BMORG was keeping details about STEP vague as part of a strategy to keep scalpers away but I think I was wrong now.

[Raymaker]

B-b-but the Glastonbury Festival "solved scalping" by printing names and photos on tickets!

Yeah, because the Glastonbury Festival requires tickets to be sold back to the festival for a refund. There is no ticket transferring at all, at least to the people you want to transfer tickets to. It becomes essentially an enforced STEP program. That is something I would not relish either, but a subject for another day.

I have never used the Glastonbury Festival organizational system of ticketing, or any 'named tickets' solution, as an argument within the context of the present ticketing system. But now you have mentioned it, although probably thousands of people do not get tickets for Glastonbury every year, you rarely hear such dissatisfaction of their system, for it seems the majority of the people wishing to go to that festival accept that the system is fair and acceptable. It is a probability that the few people on this forum who are against 'named ticketing' are in the minority, just as it has been argued that the 'whiners' are in the minority, which events have shown probably isn't the case.

[7chix&me]

each time someone post a whinge we should all just respond with the "flow chart of light and truth" (well that's what i have chosen to call it anyway)

YES! (and even so, I cannot resist the following...)

Did you read the FAQ about names on tickets ?

It says:

"We're counting on everyone playing fairly so we don't have to go to an "ID-specific" process for ticket sales and event entry."

Does that mean they will implement the "ID-specific" process, now that people obviously did NOT play fair?

People scrape to buy the ticket, add a family or medical emergency to the situation, they need to be able to sell the ticket quickly in order to get the cash. It happens more frequently than you'd think.

Seems like STEP would be a great way to be able to sell your ticket quickly.

On the subject of other reasons for transferring tickets: have you ever considered the fact that people purchase their tickets without even knowing who is going to use them at the time of purchase? It's not just last-minute transfers. Last year I bought two tickets, one for me, one for a friend, without knowing exactly whom.

If such an ID/name system were implemented I would have simply used a surrogate ticket holder, and then worked out the details later in much the same way as people gamed the lottery system by using extra friends and relatives enter for registrations. In the same way, if I'm a scalper, I can still transfer that ticket to anyone of my choosing. Even if ticket transfers were at ZERO cost, what the hell have we gained? Nothing.

Tack on the extra time and energy needed to transfer every physical ticket--especially once they've been printed up with photos and IDs--and we have a net loss in time and energy, for no gain.

B-b-but the Glastonbury Festival "solved scalping" by printing names and photos on tickets!

Yeah, because the Glastonbury Festival requires tickets to be sold back to the festival for a refund. There is no ticket transferring at all, at least to the people you want to transfer tickets to. It becomes essentially an enforced STEP program. That is something I would not relish either, but a subject for another day.

How about letting people buy an extra ticket with their own name on it and they can give it to anyone they want, they just have to show up at the gate with the person they gave it to. Any other kind of transfer/sale has to go through STEP. That keeps the scalpers out, 'cause I don't think they are going to show up at the gate with all the folks who got their tickets from them.

i want to have your babies.

or give you a blowjob.


(do you have any extra tickets, btw?)

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This is wildly inappropriate and off-topic! I think we should start another thread--"Tickets for Blow-jobs (or babies)"

[A Jester]

Yes, you're right. An enforced STEP program. That would cut the legs out from scalpers, at the cost of not allowing people to buy "maybe" tickets as you've said.

I think that that's a better option than what we have today. I have no problem committing to going and - if I can't make it - letting my ticket go to another stranger who really plans on going.

In fact, I thought that the lottery system was going to create that kind of space and I trusted that the BMORG was keeping details about STEP vague as part of a strategy to keep scalpers away but I think I was wrong now.

Perfectly reasonable at the brainstorming stage. It also has the potential to be a total clusterfuck when you try to implement it. Also, it's somewhat off topic. Unless you are assuming that the Org actually does have the capacity to run that system.


I'll tell you this much, if I was the org, I would slow the fuck down on any system changes. Minor tweaking aside, it would take years before I'd want to put ID specific ticket systems into place. Why? They tried a relatively simple system, and now 3/4 of ePlaya is calling them stupid assholes. What do you think is going to happen when they try something far more complex? It will suddenly be easier and people will be more forgiving?

[A Jester]

i want to have your babies.

or give you a blowjob.


(do you have any extra tickets, btw?)

This is wildly inappropriate and off-topic! I think we should start another thread--"Tickets for Blow-jobs (or babies)"

Ahem, this offering me blowjobs is NEVER off topic.

[marcgorcey]

Perfectly reasonable at the brainstorming stage. It also has the potential to be a total clusterfuck when you try to implement it. Also, it's somewhat off topic. Unless you are assuming that the Org actually does have the capacity to run that system.


I'll tell you this much, if I was the org, I would slow the fuck down on any system changes. Minor tweaking aside, it would take years before I'd want to put ID specific ticket systems into place. Why? They tried a relatively simple system, and now 3/4 of ePlaya is calling them stupid assholes. What do you think is going to happen when they try something far more complex? It will suddenly be easier and people will be more forgiving?

It has the potential to be a total cloisterfock, sure. Could it be worse than what we have today ? As for capacity, there isn't any reason to assume that ticket transfers would happen frequently, or at any particular time on the calendar unlike, for example, the ticket-selling spike that usually happened in 2011 and previously when the window opened.

I'm usually on board with your idea of being careful with changes, but in this case it seems to me that one of the aims of this year's system was to thwart scalpers and I doubt that that was successful. I concur that it's strong medicine, but it would absolutely eliminate scalpers I think and they would have to surrender their tickets... or attend the event. If I'm right that scalpers are holding a lot of tickets right now, then I think the community would be happy to see those come available at face value.

[alt12]

Now if only I could arm myself with more puppies.

a) So easy to put out a smug little flow-chart about how everyone who doesn't like the ticketing process is an idiot when you automatically get a ticket and don't actually have to go through said ticketing process....

b) by definition this has been a disaster purely in terms of public perception and public relations.

c) no guarantee that the "super scalpers" wouldn't just be sitting in BMORG's "Im too cheap to hire a real ticketing company plus Inticketing's founder is a friend of mine" slow-ass overloaded web servers with the rest of us

d) Any system gamed so badly and so easily is by definition not a good or fair system.

[alt12]

Yeah, because the Glastonbury Festival requires tickets to be sold back to the festival for a refund. There is no ticket transferring at all, at least to the people you want to transfer tickets to. It becomes essentially an enforced STEP program. That is something I would not relish either, but a subject for another day.

Perfect. Sounds good to me....

[wh..sh]

i want to have your babies.

or give you a blowjob.


(do you have any extra tickets, btw?)

Boy, if I had babies and gave blowjobs to everyone who makes flow chart...

edit for additional information: My office is full of flow chart makers