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Theme Camp destruction

Post by Basalard » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:21 pm

This was a post from Nov 1011. I thought it was obvious that the new ticket system would cause problems. My concerns were vigorously denigrated.

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by Basalard » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:48 pm

I have been a member of a Theme Camp since 2002 and our Theme Camp has been in existence since 1999. Our camp members spend time and money creating new elements, related to the year's theme, for our camp ... with the expectation that they will be able to attend the event. Now that the ability to attend depends on luck and the depth of your pocket, what is the incentive for Theme Camp members to spend their time and money ?
I believe the way to overcome the excessive demand for tickets is to limit the demand by qualify the attendees. For example: 1) Don't allow anyone in after Tuesday at noon. How can you contribute to the 'feeling of community' when you don't show up until Thursday night. 2) Strictly require that all Theme Camps actually contribute to the community. Too many look like parking lots or have a mish-mash of old things from previous years instead of following the year's theme 3) Require Art Cars and Mutant Vehicles be more then a pickup with some chairs in the back and some decorations tied on.
Isn't the goal to create a community of committed people? We should be trying to improve the quality of the event by optimizing the attendance and not by maximizing the attendance (and the proceeds, of course).
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Post by knowmad » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:26 am

Think of it like a dust storm. We can all see it comming and others should have had thier stuf de-mooped. and things will get nocked over. But you were far from Camp, the dust forces you into the nearest shelter and there you meet new friends burning a way. (probly doing it wrong too.) then the dust goes away, but you stay and enjoy the company of your new friends, and then somthing catches your eye and you are off on anouther adventure.

It has been said that Eplaya is not the playa! But some how it kinda is. by ony posting negitive things in times of need and distress, we generate a feeling like it is Sooooo hard! and weeeee areee soooo Doooomed! but that isn't true! Were Burners We do Awesome Shit Every Day and celebrate it by joining together for one week! and for that one week we forget everything, and everything is New and awesome.
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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by Basalard » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:48 pm

I thought the danger was obvious and several others had the same intuitions. I was told that the people in charge had thought everything through and that my concerns were groundless. That seemed like a knee-jerk defensive response at the time. It now seems that either the people in charge did not think this through or, if they did, that the wrong people are in charge.

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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by vargaso » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:59 pm

It's pretty clear everyone who had concerns once the lottery was announced (and yes, had those concerns thoroughly denigrated on these here forums, but then that is to be expected on on internet forum), was proven correct. Hell, way back in Sept., right after the burn when Larry didn't release the new theme as he's done for the past few years, I brought that up as a possible sign that changes were afoot, and even THAT little observation was ridiculed. Hell, back in July I even dug up the 2011 operating plan from the BLM website and highlighted a statement that the BLM was requiring the BMORG to retain a small number of tickets at the gate in the case of people showing up without a ticket and having no means to leave, and had that observation thoroughly ridiculed here on the boards, and of course, albeit anecdotally, THAT observation came true.

In other words, don't listen to a fucking thing anybody says here. Including me.

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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by vargaso » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:10 pm

Haha, case in point, from my "no 2012 theme yet?" thread, posted on Sept. 15, 2011:

http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... 60#p736610
My guess is they're reevaluating how they do ticket sales now that the event will surely sell out (yes yes, double meaning, whatever). In the SFGate article, Larry Harvey said they were mulling over different strategies, one of them being a lottery, which would SUCK in my opinion. Either way, they'll need to upgrade their servers or contract with a better vendor, because the onslaught of people logging on at 10am when tickets went on sale in 2011 will be nothing compared to 2012.
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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by Dr Helix » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:11 pm

Theme camps, theme camps, THEME CAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love 'em. Want 'em. Hope it all works out. But................if it doesn't. Guess What?????


If there's people there.......they WILL interact.
If there's music there........they WILL dance
If there's a stick setup sideways with some paint on it......they WILL go and look at.

And the MAN WILL BURN.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:14 pm

Godzilla's going to tear down theme camps? AntiM will be delighted!
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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by Lassen Forge » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:43 pm

Basalard wrote:This was a post from Nov 1011. ...
THERE'S the problem - your info is a little out of date.

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Post by Eric » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:13 pm

vargaso wrote:In other words, don't listen to a fucking thing anybody says here. Including me.
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Post by inthecolumbiagorge » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:41 pm

Dr Helix wrote:Theme camps, theme camps, THEME CAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love 'em. Want 'em. Hope it all works out. But................if it doesn't. Guess What?????


If there's people there.......they WILL interact.
If there's music there........they WILL dance
If there's a stick setup sideways with some paint on it......they WILL go and look at.

And the MAN WILL BURN.

All the rest is just talk. And...........I'm done here.
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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by Sham » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:17 pm

It might be refreshing to have fewer massive camps and more smaller groups. Back to the festival roots.

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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by Dr Helix » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:57 pm

Shambala wrote:It might be refreshing to have fewer massive camps and more smaller groups. Back to the festival roots.
I"m with you there. Well said.
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Post by ygmir » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:16 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Godzilla's going to tear down theme camps? AntiM will be delighted!
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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:22 pm

Yeah, I'm seeing it as a crisistunity...
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Post by ZaphodBurner » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:49 pm

Dr Helix wrote:
Shambala wrote:It might be refreshing to have fewer massive camps and more smaller groups. Back to the festival roots.
I"m with you there. Well said.
I'm uncomfortable with this whole philosophy, and offer anybody who seriously believes it a very simple challenge:

Don't go into any theme camps this year. Don't indulge in theme camp art, or ride on their vehicles, enjoy their offerings or listen to their music. When you look at the city at night, avert your eyes from anything large, or spectacular, or lit with neon, or shooting fire, or emitting light that isn't the Man or Center Camp. Which means you pretty much have to stay off the Esplanade, 'cause all that shit that's lit up at night is because of the camps.

Otherwise, if you can't do that, your philosophy is broken.

55,000 people paying hundreds of dollars trying to "get back to the festival roots" is oxymoronic.
It would be a simulation of something very few people ever saw. That's not what 55,000 people had in mind when they bought tickets. They want Black Rock City. They don't want to just see it, they want to BUILD IT. The "roots" are a bunch of people standing in a circle watching some guy burn his art. You don't need to spend $400 on tickets to do that.

I predict people would be riotously disappointed if the Man were only 8' high this year, but, that would certainly be back to the roots. Which--this is my caveat--would be radically superior than streets lined with air-conditioned, undecorated matching rental RVs fill with store-bought-costumed tourists.
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Post by lemur » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:01 pm

ZaphodBurner wrote:
Dr Helix wrote:
Shambala wrote:It might be refreshing to have fewer massive camps and more smaller groups. Back to the festival roots.
I"m with you there. Well said.
I'm uncomfortable with this whole philosophy, and offer anybody who seriously believes it a very simple challenge:

Don't go into any theme camps this year.
hate to break it to ya.. but theres plenty of people who already arent partaking in what the theme camps have to offer..
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Post by Dr Helix » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:40 pm

Dr Helix wrote:
Shambala wrote:It might be refreshing to have fewer massive camps and more smaller groups. Back to the festival roots.
I"m with you there. Well said.
So are the only camps that have any value are the ones that shoot lasers or emit thunderous decibels of music? We run a small theme camp called the Interaction Cafe. Membership can range from 8-15 folks max. We serve interactions, not food. There are no lasers and the stereo we have is pretty tame. But I think we embody the SPIRIT of Burning Man as much as any theme camp you can name. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy the lights or the boom. But to say that without it, Burning Man loses something may miss the point. I say let's see what happens. It could, could mind you, be wonderful.
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Post by Mule » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:10 pm

Last year was my first burn, I went alone. It was without question a life changing event, and a deeply personal experience. I was accepted by my neighbors, a small group of vets that were simply friends of friends of friends. I was prepared beyond many long term vets. Thanks to Fig Jam I had a vey effective swamp cooler, thanks to Desert Domes website I had a 18ft self made dome. I read everything I could find on this forum. While a virgin I wanted to be a participant not a spectator.

I can't juggle fire or dance or weld flaming towers of twisted steel. But I was no spectator. I entered Gelach and pulled off to interrupt a scalper selling a ticket to a young couple . He wanted an absurd amount for a single ticket. I gifted my wife's ticket then and there since she wasn't able to attend. The satisfaction from screwing over the scalper was worth the ticket price. I brought no moopy trinkets to spread. I helped a stranger build their art car, I drank a gifted warm beer with a guy named Mike from NY while watching girl perform a song and belly dance as thanks for her own gifted beer. I was invited to dine with my neighbors, and I shared a average case of wine that tasted all the better because of the company of new friends and dust. I gifted my bike to a kid who had his stolen. I interacted as I was able. I found magic on the playa. I've yet to leave that place. It ignited my soul .
This year I'll go again, I intend to bring 2nd dome with solar powered swamp coolers and fans as a refuge from the heat for whom ever needs it, and i'll bring my tools and volunteer where im needed. I think it was Simon of the Playa or maybe Pyro or Fig that said "Burners burn " regardless, this is true. I've always been a burner I just didnt know where home was. "

I ask this of the community as a whole. Don't contract , explode!! Combine theme camps . The Death guild meets the Sparkle pony corral. Barbie death camp embraces Black Rock Skate rink. The big Sound camps and dance camps join forces. The remnants of the Boobie bar, house the Lamp lighters and the temple builders. Instead of excluding yourself because only 2 of your 5 or 10 of your 50 are unknowns, I challenge those with tix to burn with a hotter intensity than any year prior. Build what you can, volunteer, learn . Reach out to the regional burners and join forces. I challenge all of us to push past all this and breath life back into the city by closing ranks into a collective creative force of interwoven strangers. More of us need to volunteer. Burners need to reach out to each other across geography and artistic disciplines. donate hard to flaming lotus girls and other artists. Pick up the phone or email the core groups find out how to help. On the playa there is a overwhelming sense of community, more than ever that needs to flow into the default world now.
I would help build an exhibit for the sake of building it even if I would never see it on the playa. I can show up early , I can light lamps or pull horses , I can build thunder domes, I can pick up moop. I can listen and learn if only I am brave enough to ask the question " can I help?". I will strive to be radically inclusive of myself as a participant. If 20,000 of us did this what happens?

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Post by jella » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:20 pm

Makes me wanna go build something !....well said Mule. I get where your coming from.

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Post by lemur » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:43 pm

Dr Helix wrote:
Dr Helix wrote:
Shambala wrote:It might be refreshing to have fewer massive camps and more smaller groups. Back to the festival roots.
I"m with you there. Well said.
So are the only camps that have any value are the ones that shoot lasers or emit thunderous decibels of music? We run a small theme camp called the Interaction Cafe. Membership can range from 8-15 folks max. We serve interactions, not food. There are no lasers and the stereo we have is pretty tame. But I think we embody the SPIRIT of Burning Man as much as any theme camp you can name. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy the lights or the boom. But to say that without it, Burning Man loses something may miss the point. I say let's see what happens. It could, could mind you, be wonderful.

Remember when all those big bands started shocking us all by going 'UNPLUGGED' ? how was it possible that the music was just as powerful without being played ear screachingly loud through gigantic huge guitar amps!!!

MTV cashed in on this about 20 years after it started with their 'MTV UNPLUGGED' ..again ..shocking many.. that these bands that people remembered and saw as one certain thing.. just destroyed a vision of what they were by offering up music in a different way.. stuff that moved people in ways they didnt know it would..

look what PLUGGING IN did for bob dylan.. hell, he is still going strong today!


just because we envision burning man being a certain thing.. or appearing a certain way..... or always being how we like it.. doesnt mean that it WONT, or CANT be good if it ends up being different than how we remember it.. or how we like to remember it.....

there are many examples of things changing and not being as good..... but there are also many times where the change not only didnt make things worse.. but it brought out qualities never even considered before
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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by 5280MeV » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:03 am

ZaphodBurner wrote:
Dr Helix wrote:
Shambala wrote:It might be refreshing to have fewer massive camps and more smaller groups. Back to the festival roots.
I"m with you there. Well said.
I'm uncomfortable with this whole philosophy, and offer anybody who seriously believes it a very simple challenge:

Don't go into any theme camps this year. Don't indulge in theme camp art, or ride on their vehicles, enjoy their offerings or listen to their music. When you look at the city at night, avert your eyes from anything large, or spectacular, or lit with neon, or shooting fire, or emitting light that isn't the Man or Center Camp. Which means you pretty much have to stay off the Esplanade, 'cause all that shit that's lit up at night is because of the camps.

Otherwise, if you can't do that, your philosophy is broken.
That is not right. Your ticket goes to fund over 60 art honorarium projects that make up the largest structures on the Esplanade. This would include things like Hudson's Zoetrope, the Flaming Lotus Girl's "Tympani Lambada", The Temple, the CORE sculptures and burn, and many other prominent artworks. So I don't think that you need to avert your eyes from the professional artwork that you paid for with your $400.

And yes, it is professional artwork, and it is paid for. Many of those large pieces are merely debut at Burning Man. You could see the Big Rig Jig at Coachella. You can see the works of the Flaming Lotus Girls at EDC or Coachella as well.

(Just a side note, I think that the honorarium artists are amazing, they are 100% deserving of their grants, their work is inspiring, and I don't begrudge them even in the slightest for being able to be paid to do what they love.)

I also think that it is somewhat absurd that there are no honoraria for some of the more incredible mutant vehicles, such as El Pulpo Mechanico, which are basically sculptures with a truck as a base. In the same vein, why not give grants or at least guaranteed tickets to other types of projects which may be musical, theatrical, or culinary in nature? - That is a tangent.

The massive sound camps put on several other events during the course of the year. The major pyrotechnic artists and sculptors also display their work in other venues. They are already bigger than Burning Man.

What makes going to Burning Man different than going to Coachella is that there is the call, and the welcoming invite, to start doing creative stuff. To start building. People go to Coachella, look at the Big Rig Jig, and they appreciate it, but there is no pathway leading from standing there looking at cool stuff to actually making cool stuff - other than thinking about going to art school.

At Burning Man you can draw your camp name in a stick and plant it in the ground. Suddenly that has value to you, and it has value to your campmates - even if the organizers of Coachella or EDC would laugh at the submission, and even if it has no commercial value. You can go further with your sign - develop some painting skill, and add value to the neighborhood. On the playa every little dinky thing has value, and that is the secret sauce. Burning Man keeps calling too you - keep working on it - make it bigger - make it better - don't let anything stop you from expressing the ideas that run through your head.

In 2005 a friend dragged be to Bonnaroo. I saw quite a few amazing performances. I had a fun time. I went home, and nothing happened.

In 2011 a friend dragged me to Burning Man. For about two months after nothing happened. Then all my old equipment from electronic instrumentation class came out of the closet. Now all my money is going to LEDs, components, better electronic equipment - I stopped sitting around occasionally wishing that I made stuff - I started actually making stuff.

That is worth the cost of a ticket. Before I went, I think that somewhere mulling around in the back of my head, I had a sense that something like this could happen. I hope that many of the people starting in 2012 have that same sense.
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Post by 5280MeV » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:37 am

5280MeV wrote: That is not right. Your ticket goes to fund over 60 art honorarium projects that make up the largest structures on the Esplanade. This would include things like Hudson's Zoetrope, the Flaming Lotus Girl's "Tympani Lambada", The Temple, the CORE sculptures and burn, and many other prominent artworks. So I don't think that you need to avert your eyes from the professional artwork that you funded with your $400.

And yes, it is professional artwork, and the materials are largely paid for. Many of those large pieces are merely debut at Burning Man. You could see the Big Rig Jig at Coachella. You can see the works of the Flaming Lotus Girls at EDC or Coachella as well.

(Just a side note, I think that the honorarium artists are amazing, they are 100% deserving of their grants, their work is inspiring, and I don't begrudge them even in the slightest for being able to be funded to do what they love.)
I worded my post poorly - my meaning was that major art installations are fully funded, not that the artists are necessarily personally profiting off of them. (Although I don't begrudge them if they do!)

I don't expect people to throw money my way to buy more LEDs right now, although I might daydream of a time in the future when they do. Even if they did, it wouldn't be why I made stuff, and I believe that the artists behind major funded installations also do it largely out of love rather than for recognition.

That said, lets be honest, thousands of gallons of fuel does not spring from the love in people's hearts, it comes from the wallets of those that fund them. Large scale pyrotechnics require energy. Energy is a scarce commodity.
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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by ZaphodBurner » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:30 pm

lemur wrote:
hate to break it to ya.. but theres plenty of people who already arent partaking in what the theme camps have to offer..
Why?

Because you're too cool for theme camps?
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Post by lemur » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:52 pm

theres simply other shit to do at burning man.

you can mill about enjoying the big group camping trip with other strangers while drinking booze and riding bikes...and going WOO HOO!! in your cheap store bought costumes. Eatin dinner, cookin dinner at a neighbors camp is pretty fun, sharing meals is a great experience. You might even sit in someones air conditioned RV while drinkin beer and talkin. Hell sitting round the burn barrel and talkin shit and having fun is age-old enjoyment, for all ages!

you could have fun just staring up at the stars (even with a full moon)!! Or maybe you can hang with yer buddy (or the stranger you met) playing his boombox that barely projects 10 feet away and they fuck around with a laser pointer... hell, you might even be able to have fun meeting people and having sex with them in your dirty dusty tent, or their awesome air conditioned RV!!!

for some people burning man is theme camp centric... big art centric.. whatever.. we all have the things we like to do out there.. but while burning man might be ruined for you if it isnt the same as it always was and how you prefer it.... it surely aint dead as a whole... no matter how many, or IF theme camps/big projects show up... all we need is the community, not their objects and shit.

and ya kno? even with all of this insanity this year.. theres still plenty of theme camps and projects that already said they are gonna make it out there.... so the theme camp centric people WILL have their theme camps...projects will be there in some form.. and vehicles will still show up.. hell! even the infrastructure will get built..(even the airport!!)

this isnt a community that just throws in the towel..... maybe a small part of it has, or will... but nope, not the rest of us... we are committed to make burning man kick ass without fail.. even if that means just showing up without our theme camps/projects/vehicles... we WILL have fun. we WILL kick ass, and no debbie downer is gonna stop us.


it will be just fine.. maybe different? maybe less awesome as you may quantify awesome?.. but it will still be burning man... itll be "OFF THE HOOK!!!" whether people to buy into 'sky is falling' BS or not..

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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by moonrise » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:14 pm

Riiight, like the LLC is going to turn their backs on the theme camps, I doubt it. It's the Big Burn, I hope they flow 'em some tickets if they need them. Then improve the ticket selling for future burns.

Is Lamp Lighters considered a themed camp? I'm not flaming you Lemur, just curious, is it? if not, then what is it considered to be?
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Post by ZaphodBurner » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:40 pm

lemur wrote:theres simply other shit to do at burning man.

you can mill about enjoying the big group camping trip with other strangers while drinking booze and riding bikes...and going WOO HOO!! in your cheap store bought costumes. Eatin dinner, cookin dinner at a neighbors camp is pretty fun, sharing meals is a great experience. You might even sit in someones air conditioned RV while drinkin beer and talkin. Hell sitting round the burn barrel and talkin shit and having fun is age-old enjoyment, for all ages!
Sitting around WHAT burn barrel? Did you just volunteer to bring a burn barrel? Do you suppose you can just put a burn barrel next to your RV? Are there going to be 20,000 burn barrels this year, or do you just trust that somebody else will provide them? You just described every overcrowded campground in America.

Who are these people bringing the burn barrels? I mean, our CAMP combined our resources to bring down our burn barrel for people to use, but, whose burn barrel are you going to stand around?

Enjoy the suburbs. The groups that make up the Esplanade and the Plazas--the ones with the burn barrels in front of them--are camps. They might be six old rednecks serving pulled pork and Budweiser, but if they're working together to make it happen and they turned in an application--which included a plan for where they were going to put their burn barrel so the fucking city doesn't burn down--they're a camp. They are a part of the city that you're excluding from consideration, that some people are allegedly going to avoid.

I'm not interested in sitting around in air conditioned RVs. The fraternity that camped next to us in 2008 did, but, whatever, they had a pretty good barbeque going if you were cool enough to hang out with them. I just wish they hadn't put it so close to my van because covering it with parachute cloth so it didn't look like a silver Ford van would have been a fire hazard. If I opened the back door with my clothes off I'd have risked putting my dick in their Weber. That's what 60,000 people crowded into the city with no art looks like.

My group--there's only 12 of us, including the virgins, except, well, only one got a ticket--is trying to make the biggest mutant vehicle we can create as a team effort, trying to bring root beer and absinthe to the 9 o'clock plaza (even if you think theme camps are stupid), trying to build The Green Hour social area, a Fallout shelter, and Snoopy's sopwith camel with a photo booth inside. That's more than we can do separately. We "share our meals" every year and ask nothing in return. I'm not bragging, I'm just saying we're one of about 700 groups who work just as hard, and who don't care if you're some individual who showed up on Thursday, pull a lamplighter shift and brag to the e-playa about how you participate.

OR, instead, I can sit naked in my lawn chair all week drinking beer from my ice chest, and yell at people through a bullhorn as they pass, and maybe go pull an hour or two a day with the lamplighters. Fuck man, at least I'm PARTICIPATING, right?

Shady Aslyum brought grass--GRASS--to the playa and tried to keep it alive all week in the shade and mist, before donating it to a crisis shelter. Do you know what people did to it? They pissed on it. Random "Burners" wandered into their camp and relieved themselves on the grass. The had no sweat equity in the city. They didn't give a fuck. Because, you're right: There's simply other shit to do at Burning Man.

How long you gonna keep polishing that turd, yo?
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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by anile » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:50 pm

Thank you Zaphoidburner! Thank you so much! You hit the nail right on the head.

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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by lemur » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:07 pm

moonrise wrote:Riiight, like the LLC is going to turn their backs on the theme camps, I doubt it. It's the Big Burn, I hope they flow 'em some tickets if they need them. Then improve the ticket selling for future burns.

Is Lamp Lighters considered a themed camp? I'm not flaming you Lemur, just curious, is it? if not, then what is it considered to be?
(i didnt mean to imply or send the message that the LLC will or would "turn their backs" on anyone.. including theme camps.. from what ive seen they are attempting to do anything but that)

anyways..

Lamplighters is part of the Community Services Department (CSD), Lamplighters is a work camp. It is not a theme camp. (though we do have a lounge you can come and enjoy when we arent working on lighting the city)

(CSD includes: Airport, Arctica, Cafe, Earth Guardians, Greeters, Lamplighters, Lost & Found, Office Volunteer Squad, Placement, Playa Info, Recycle, Remembrance Plaque, Shuttle Bus, Volunteer Resource Team)

Lamplighters is supported and funded by Burning Man (our ticket payments fund it).. The infrastructure Lamplighters use is stored at Black Rock Station in burning man provided storage containers.. Lamplighters gets help from and works with DPW to make the camp that forms as the base of operations. Lamplighters is on the power grid.

Larry Harvey Designed the Spires for the 1994 event and the DPW builds them. (and repairs them during the event)

Lamplighters is part of the infrastructure of Burning Man... The spires and the lanterns that hang on them have been an extension of The Man and a vital part of what forms how our city looks since 1994. (lamplighters started in 1993)

Lamplighters is the largest art project at burning man, in scale, besides the city itself. There are roughly 5 miles worth of spires spread out over 1 square mile of space. Roughly 1000 people will help light the city each year.

Lamplighters relies wholly on volunteers to make it happen.. somewhere around 35% of our villagers (who commit to working every day) did not get tickets as yet. Lamplighters does not have a reduced price or gift ticket program for people who volunteer X amount of shifts like some other parts of the infrastructure do.

We rely heavily, also.. on walk up volunteering from anyone who is willing to help (we have roles for people of all abilities.. even kids from kidsville help out!). In that role Lamplighters have provided one of the most approachable ways to participate in the infrastructure everyone encounters at burning man.. and have been doing that since 1994.

in at least the past 5 years Lamplighters have also played a role in the Fire Conclave before the Man Burns by bringing the fire that the conclave lights their tools with to them.. .. Lamplighters are the beginning of those festivities of Burn Night when Crimson Rose transfers the One Flame from Center Camps Cauldron 'Diablo' to the Luminiferous that the Lamplighters then bring to the Great Circle..

(Lamplighters is surely lower on the totem pole of importance than Gate/Perimeter and Rangers but we are a part of the infrastructure of burning man.)


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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by lemur » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:11 pm

ZaphodBurner wrote:They are a part of the city that you're excluding from consideration, that some people are allegedly going to avoid.
come off of it....


i never suggested excluding anyone.. merely pointed out that, yep, theres other shit to do.

and hey! i never claimed i wouldnt be partaking in theme camps, either.... i just said there are plenty who already dont..
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Re: Theme Camp destruction

Post by moonrise » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:38 pm

Thanks for the description Lemur. I kinda knew much of that. I was camped a couple of camps from Lamp Lighters (and had a blast making ~Volcano fire cocktails late late one night at the LL bar, after it was "closed" haha). I met some dear old freinds (and made a few new ones) there at the LL firepit/couch lounge the same night. Who knows, maybe we'll hit it again (I'm planning to do the ~Volcanos on a roving random schedule again this year) and maybe we can persuade you to come out from the kitchen and enjoy one with us. The ~Volcano is explosive (I know you like 'splosions!) and the flambe flames can be 5 to 15 feet tall (especially if I use a stilter, then 15 feet of flambe flames can be achieved). :twisted:

Huh, was that Crimson Rose I saw (in the elaborate costume-wedding dress-outfit) partaking in the ceremony to carry the flame from the Cauldron at CCamp to the man on burn night? I was mesmerized and at one point I thought one of the guys was going to lift that big, HOT flaming urn with his bare arms! Kung fu style!


Zaphoidburner, You Oregon burners rock! I can sense the LLC will help the theme camps (including the unregistered ones). It seems every little BM hiccup is blown out of proportion (usually more compassionately, unlike this feeling of ticketl panic etc etc) by the BM community. My hunch is if the JRS/LLC hints at something in special editions, they're listening and leaking news that there will be some sort of realistic, effective solution. I hope you get tickets and can bring your theme camp down from Oregon (we appreciate you long distance burners efforts, big time!). It's not like you're in SF, just a hop, skip and a jump away, we're rootin' for ya'll!
Pssst, I'm partial to virgin drinks, and I loooove root beer! (also, sasparilla and the other forgotten old timey sodas).

Now could the two of you shake hands and make up, or take it to the Thunderdome! Then shake hands after you two go at it, :P

lemur, maybe you're just missing the burn lifestyle, since you're maybe feeling stuck there in Chicagoland? Maybe you ought to consider moving the SF Bay Area and be closer to it all? Reno is also considered a mini SF and there are some jobs there, and low priced rents.
I'm the MAN in a truck, burner who is stuck, you're in luck! I'll whip out my BIG tow chain and not charge you, not even one lousy buck!

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