Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for BM?

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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby remi » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:32 am

vargaso wrote:Well, I was directing my previous post to Simon, whom I think employed the Very Big Letters in an attempt to illustrate how I'm just a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who thinks the BMORG is sinister. Anyway, this is getting silly, I should have known better than to make a reasoned suggestion on eplaya.


For what it's worth, (probably not much with my rep.. lol,) I think this was a great topic to bring up.. and I agree on your posts in this thread. BMOrg's track record does suggest that there is no way they will ever post any information of this sort until the afterburn report (they post it when everyone stops caring about it.)

But ya, some people just prefer to complain just to hear there own voice.... I do it to.. sometimes.
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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby BBadger » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:40 pm

lemur wrote:i may not be the only one who noticed how quickly the birds from some certain parts of our community stopped squawking when they knew theyd get a chance at the 10,000 open sale tickets...


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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby vargaso » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:44 am

Well, I just got notification that I won two hiking permits in the lottery. I'm 1 for 2 this year.

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:48 am

i hope you posted on their forum board as well.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:35 am

BBadger wrote:
lemur wrote:i may not be the only one who noticed how quickly the birds from some certain parts of our community stopped squawking when they knew theyd get a chance at the 10,000 open sale tickets...


I love this statement.

Hey, I squawked about that, too!
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Postby vargaso » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:19 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:i hope you posted on their forum board as well.


Nope, just this one.

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Postby BeachBum » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:09 pm

vargaso wrote:... Anyway, this is getting silly, I should have known better than to make a reasoned suggestion on eplaya.


Yep, you got the idea. Your original reasoned suggestion was valid, saying, please release more information, here's what others do in this situation. But, to get a reasoned discussion here on ePlaya, instead of negativity, isn't going to happen. Instead, one gets the long winded putdown of everything one wrote sentence by sentence, a FU and assorted nastiness, a major misrepresentation as to your intent, one or two semi-funny snarky comments, some people consistently toeing the party line, drowning out the couple of people trying to have a reasoned conversation.

I feel for you. I finally joined this board when the lottery was announced late last year, to add to the chorus of people who were saying that this lottery was going to ignite a firestorm of problems. I should have known better, the same 5 or 10 people thoroughly shot me down also, got a couple of my posts removed, ... And, instead of apologies for being so absolutely wrong, as well as for the tone of their comments, we only get a couple of minor "yea, it could have been done better, maybe we should have seen it" apologies. With the majority of the people who shot down something so obviously a problem not apologizing at all, and wondering why there's 10 pages of threads on this ticket debacle, from people whom they put down as "whiners". Empathy is a human emotion, at least for some, but not for others.

Vargaso, and others here who are ticketless, best wishes on obtaining one for this year.

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:15 pm

shut up, hippy.
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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby JayBobBoy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:44 pm

Lucky for me I've done it a bunch of times.

There are quite a few people pissed that they didn't get tickets for their requested Half Dome dates. One forum that I frequent has a number rants from irate applicants. Many are upset that the statistics provided were inaccurate. Their rants could easily have been copied from here!

More info would be nice, but would knowing how long your odds are in advance change anything? I don't really think so. How about getting an accurate picture of how long your odds were, after the event is over? Well at least I'll know how fucked I'll be next year...whatever.

Either way, supply and demand is a bitch!

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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby Zhust » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:05 pm

Personally, I'm kind of curious. I spent a bit of time fiddling with a spreadsheet based on how the rules of distribution were supposed to work. Nothing very official ever came out of my questioning, so I had to guess, but I played my best odds and did get a ticket. I was a bit surprised that I had a top-tier ticket, but it was a possibility — at least depending on how many people applied for each level. I'm willing to wait for the afterburn report, but the lack of sharing doesn't leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling. Oh well, whatever.

Totally a personality defect on my part: I get really mad at people who affect me abusing power. In a position of power, it's my belief that one should lay out what they are going to do and then do exactly that. I get the impression that most people prefer people in power who "just does the right thing", or "whatever it may be that reinforces my behavior". For instance, most people like when a moderator bans someone who everyone doesn't like, but I only like it if someone is banned for breaking a well-defined rule, regardless of whether I like or agree with them.

From the LLC, I'd like to see, "here's what we said we were going to do, and here are the number of tickets requested at each tier, and how many were sold at each tier". The numbers will bear out whether they did what they said. I think the majority assessment is, "I got a ticket so the LLC did the right thing" regardless of how it happened.

So *shrug* agree to disagree, I guess.
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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby socks » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:46 pm

BM.org sold 25,000 out of 53,000 tickets at the 2 highest tiers 390 and 420.
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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby lemur » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:02 pm

CONSPIRACY.. dont forget, it starts with a CON!!!
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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby trilobyte » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:44 pm

Actually, 28K of the tickets were sold at either $390 or $420. That was, of course, stated back in November when ticket info was announced. 3K presale tix at $420, then 15K main sale and 10K open sale (which were repurposed to directed ticket distribution).

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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby Zhust » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:22 am

lemur wrote:CONSPIRACY.. dont forget, it starts with a CON!!!


If you take the ASCII values of "LARRYHARVEYconspiracy", you get:
L = 76
A = 65
R = 82
R = 82
Y = 89
H = 72
A = 65
R = 82
V = 86
E = 69
Y = 89
c = 99
o = 111
n = 110
s = 115
p = 112
i = 105
r = 114
a = 97
c = 99
i = 105
e = 101
s = 115

Their sum is 2,140. The lowest tier was $240, the middle $320, and the highest $390. Guess what 240 + 240 + 240 + 320 + 320 + 390 + 390 adds up to? 2,140.

Proof positive, indeed.
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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby BBadger » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:34 am

The conspiracy runs very deep indeed.
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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:52 am

it's like Pyramid Lake, Yo...
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Postby Roberto Dobbisano » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:30 am

i have no idea know what you're talking about.
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Re: Half Dome lottery application statistics - a model for B

Postby Zhust » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:51 am

trilobyte wrote:Actually, 28K of the tickets were sold at either $390 or $420. That was, of course, stated back in November when ticket info was announced. 3K presale tix at $420, then 15K main sale and 10K open sale (which were repurposed to directed ticket distribution).


I am sure I heard that some people got tickets for $320 or $240 ...

But if that's true, then the sales were done differently from the way the lottery was set up (Tier 1 was to be sold first, then Tier 2, then Tier 3 — some people would received $240 and $320 tickets.)
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