Water Treatment Facility

[Newnew]

Quick question just to.. nip my closed loop water treatment and clarification process for the purpose of building a public shower facility in the bud.

Is fear of lawsuits thee reason lab tested and proven processes will never be approved at BM?
I'm catching alot of flack from attendees about approval for such a system to be used there..
I'm willing to cover all bases including legalities of such a system to exist.. just for bragging rights n giggles.
Who would be the person in charge to talk to about this?

[Popeye]

I'd start with whatever Nevada government entity approves health permits at BRC.
I'm guessing you will need filtration then a chlorination process.
After that approval the Org may ask about moop, the stuff you filter out and grey water.

[Lonesomebri]

Have you ever been? Maybe brag about that first. Plenty of showers out there. Sounds like you might invision a filtration system so you can reuse the water? A lot of stuff happens out there without approval or permission. Is it that you want some type of formal acknowledgement from officials as to what you are doing? Are you bringing in the water, for the public, and taking out the waste product? Containing all grey water and not allowing run-off and playa erosion? That's what the org is concerned with most.

Have you ever been out there?

I've seen bogus playa "shamans" consensually spit on people out there. There wasn't any safety check. People shower behind water trucks in non-potable low radiated sprays.

A few years back there was someone bragging about setting up a complex shower system, before the Burn... At the Burn they turned out to be with a big land grabbing plug and okay camp that caused all kinds of fun, non-shower related.

Every camp and person out there doing it right is using a closed loop water treatment, in a way. Filters and filtered out byproducts vs grey water, either way.

Yet, I'm still curious...

[some seeing eye]

To the OP, I would ask the Dr Br*nn*rs camp about their shower system. I would not a$k a government entity if they need to regulate you.

I will tell a story. a long time ago I worked in research. The government wanted to regulate a specific ingredient in sewage, viruses. We were tasked with accurately measuring the amount of virus in a large quantity of sewage. You can't regulate something if you can't measure it. I recently had a conversation with a retired director of water for a mid-size city. They use charcoal filtration of river water. One of the stages is charcoal filtration. They have several about 100 yard swimming pools about 20 feet deep filled with powdered charcoal. Periodically they dig it all out and drive off the impurities in a furnace so they can reuse it. The director's comment is that federal drinking water rules always get stricter and eventually most systems will require charcoal filtering. This is especially true with PFAS. So expect home water rates to increase.

The relevance is that water regulations can be very costly depending on what regulations are applied. Once you ask, you cannot control the outcome. It just runs to completion like stepping on a bear trap.

Recently on another platform, someone was proposing that individual burners should petition the government to regulate something in BRC which works fine without regulation, and with all the on-playa participants ensuring it does not run awry. They were very stubborn about needing more regulation which would likely require the government to register and inspect the activity on playa, at great expense, paid for in the tickets. Despite discussion of the downsides they have started the process.

It was their solution in search of a problem.

[EmmaAlva]

Please consider consulting with experts in water treatment and regulatory compliance to see if your proposed system meets all legal requirements. This could include engineers, environmental consultants, and legal advisors.
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[Cyben]

Have you ever been? Maybe brag about that first. Plenty of showers out there.

Are there nice camps that let virgins use there shower for their first year?

[Sham]

Have you ever been? Maybe brag about that first. Plenty of showers out there.

Are there nice camps that let virgins use there shower for their first year?

There aren't really any camps that offer showers for the masses due to the high water usage.
A suggestion is to bring a plastic salad bowl and several wash clothes and a camping shower bag. A Burning Man shower uses less than a gallon of water. If a neighbor has a camping shower tent, they are much more willing to let you use it if A) you're friendly and nice about asking and B) you have your own water and shower supplies.
Baby wipes are also very useful for feeling clean on the playa.
There are a few camps like the Human Carcass Wash where you can have someone suds you all up.
Don't stress about it. You'll be just fine.

[Lonesomebri]

Me personally? At first I brought enough baby wipes for face, underarm, crotch, butt, feet wipe twice a day, morning and night. That, along with mopped up ice chest water, and the like. It's just over a week, I've gone longer without. Then out in the City whatever you can imagine and more, so it's possible to serendipitously, randomly be sprayed down or misted or ice bath or go swimming or shower with 20 other naked people or have your feet washed, messaged and oiled. Later I used a large drywall pan, about 2 by 3 foot, with a Hudson sprayer, and a wood folding chair, a rug inside, with paper towels. Sitting makes it easier to wash legs, feet, etc. Paper towels can be burned if you have a fire barrel. Minimal water used with the sprayer, and it can be used to cool people down anytime. After, sit in chair to dry feet, put on shoes, and avoid getting them muddy. Take rug and drap over chair to dry. After the event toss rug. But, yeah, don't *sweat* it.

[Elorrum]

Me personally? At first I brought enough baby wipes for face, underarm, crotch, butt, feet wipe twice a day, morning and night. That, along with mopped up ice chest water, and the like. It's just over a week, I've gone longer without. Then out in the City whatever you can imagine and more, so it's possible to serendipitously, randomly be sprayed down or misted or ice bath or go swimming or shower with 20 other naked people or have your feet washed, messaged and oiled. Later I used a large drywall pan, about 2 by 3 foot, with a Hudson sprayer, and a wood folding chair, a rug inside, with paper towels. Sitting makes it easier to wash legs, feet, etc. Paper towels can be burned if you have a fire barrel. Minimal water used with the sprayer, and it can be used to cool people down anytime. After, sit in chair to dry feet, put on shoes, and avoid getting them muddy. Take rug and drap over chair to dry. After the event toss rug. But, yeah, don't *sweat* it.

So, the distinction between being at home and being there are blurred or eliminated. I wondered at what I think camping is, and that I like doing it, really enjoy it. I watched Daniel Boone, and Cowboy movies, growing up, and longed to try an open air life like that. It wasn’t realistic, but I surmised more about the concepts of blanket, fire, frying pan, coffee pot (Johnny West’s kit) than how to provide for myself a hot shower, air conditioning, a private indoor toilet, all electric conveniences. I didn’t want that in my camping dream. Anyhoo. Yeah, adult disposable washcloths, a bucket hair wash a couple, 3 times. Stand over a towel and bucket wash cloth, a luxury to Johnny West, he wasn’t packing a car load, not in Thunderbolt's saddlebags. This isn’t dogma for me, just a thought I’m trying out. It isn’t a cleanliness issue at its core: It’s not understanding, not having been sold, (but a sidebar, Disney stuff had some practical camping threads, “clean that old run down house,” etc.), and not wanting, or having a dream to be outside and on outside’s terms.