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Post by penguin » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:33 pm

jkisha wrote:Since vinegar, lemon juice and misting have been mentioned--I wonder, would adding a bit of lemon juice or vinegar added to misting water be beneficial for just general cooling and keeping the play dust neutralized?

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I might think it would help neutralize the acid in the dust -- but I'm not sure I want someone squirting me in the eyes with vinegar or lemon juice. :roll:

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Post by Elliot » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:18 pm

:D
Playa Dust is alkaline -- the opposite of acidic. Vinegar and lemon juice are acidic, to "correct" for the alkaline dust.
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Post by penguin » Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:32 pm

Elliot wrote::D
Playa Dust is alkaline -- the opposite of acidic. Vinegar and lemon juice are acidic, to "correct" for the alkaline dust.
:D
Technicalities, technicalities... still I don't think I want someone squirting anything in my eyes that I "think" is going to be water :shock: (especially not when to get the ACID of the lemon juice neutralized I'll have to rub playa dust in them!) :wink:

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Post by mdmf007 » Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:41 pm

We used a simple 12 volt pump for a car attached to a sink sprayer head. That way you never used too much water. 1/2 a gallon was a good shower, and a gallon worked really well.

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Post by ¡Niers! » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:14 pm

Isn't it funny that a thread that has a subject as....."Stupid question" gets more hits than others that ACTUALLY CONTAIN STUPID QUESTIONS....even though it doesn't even contain a stupid question after all?
I feel let down. Is this some sort of alternate reality or something?
I'm just confused.

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Post by ¡Niers! » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:19 pm

Oh....and I hardly shower at home. So why make so much effort showering where it's just not meant to be?

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Post by Elliot » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:23 pm

:D
Technicalities, technicalities...
I agree, for our purpose. But understanding the technicalities may be useful in other discussions.

Oh, and we click on this thread hoping for a good laugh. :lol:
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Post by Dustdevil » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:07 pm

The fountain that was refered to a few posts back may have been the "fountain of filth" from Illumination Village in 07'. It was a really nice fountain that continuously pumped gray water and it would evvaporate fairly swiftly. The true value in the "fountain of filth" was the entertainment aspect. IE: the morning some hippie wandered into the Village and brushed his teeth there. No one ever told him...............
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Post by Elderberry » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:43 pm

¡Niers! wrote:Oh....and I hardly shower at home. So why make so much effort showering where it's just not meant to be?
That's just too much information. Or is it a warning? Hopefully you're just jesting.

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Post by ygmir » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:02 pm

jkisha wrote:
¡Niers! wrote:Oh....and I hardly shower at home. So why make so much effort showering where it's just not meant to be?
That's just too much information. Or is it a warning? Hopefully you're just jesting.

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Post by gaminwench » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:44 am

he's a bunny...sheesh!

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Post by oneeyeddick » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:04 am

mdmf007 wrote:We used a simple 12 volt pump for a car attached to a sink sprayer head. That way you never used too much water. 1/2 a gallon was a good shower, and a gallon worked really well.
The only 12 volt pump that has ever been on any of my cars is a widshield fluid pump.
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Post by ygmir » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:59 am

gaminwench wrote:he's a bunny...sheesh!
oh yeah, bunnies don't bathe, either.......


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Post by mdmf007 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:30 am

oneeyeddick wrote:
mdmf007 wrote:We used a simple 12 volt pump for a car attached to a sink sprayer head. That way you never used too much water. 1/2 a gallon was a good shower, and a gallon worked really well.
The only 12 volt pump that has ever been on any of my cars is a widshield fluid pump.
Please elaborate.
It was a spare 12 volt fuel pump someone had with their truck. We were using the pump up type of sprayer until the air pump went out. So we MacGyvered a replacement. Worked well. It was one of those cheap 2 wire ones from Napa or Schucks.

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Post by cincarus » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:23 am

do they still do this?

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Post by cincarus » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:31 am

Here's a link to a cool thing to evaporate the water. Anyone think this thing will work?

http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic.php?t=12911


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Post by mojo » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:37 am

Seen it - it works.

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Cool

Post by cincarus » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:01 pm

I saw a picture of people running behind a truck spraying water. Looks kind of fun.

I mean running naked behind a truck spraying water. A unique way of meeting new friends!

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Post by Sail Man » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:07 pm

jkisha wrote:Since vinegar, lemon juice and misting have been mentioned--I wonder, would adding a bit of lemon juice or vinegar added to misting water be beneficial for just general cooling and keeping the play dust neutralized?

JK
I have read in various threads JK that it would in fact be beneficial for the neutralizing factors. Last year I did occasional foot baths with vinegar in the water. Felt great and had no real problems with playa foot. Another tip I've read is to drink pickle juice (ewwww!) as it's supposed to combat the alkalinity from the inside out. Me, I just stick with more tomato sauce on my skabetty. Maybe this is why bloody marys are popular out there as well.
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Post by Elliot » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:25 pm

:D
Cindy, yes there are trucks spraying water on the streets, for dust control. And some people do "shower" in the spray. But word is that the street water is not potable. That is, not safe to get in the mouth. And I have heard of people becoming sick. So although it sure looks like great fun, probably best not to.
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Post by Fire Wire » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:40 pm

Elliot wrote::D
Cindy, yes there are trucks spraying water on the streets, for dust control. And some people do "shower" in the spray. But word is that the street water is not potable. That is, not safe to get in the mouth. And I have heard of people becoming sick. So although it sure looks like great fun, probably best not to.
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Post by Elderberry » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:54 pm

Elliot wrote::D
Cindy, yes there are trucks spraying water on the streets, for dust control. And some people do "shower" in the spray. But word is that the street water is not potable. That is, not safe to get in the mouth. And I have heard of people becoming sick. So although it sure looks like great fun, probably best not to.
:D
Yes, I've heard the same thing. (Maybe there were some stats somewhere about the number of people treated at the first aid station for this, don't remember now where I read this though.)

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Post by capjbadger » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:02 pm

Word on the street?? It's written on the back of the bloody truck! :roll:

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re: filtering water

Post by swampdog » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:15 pm

JK asked a question a page ago about using a rocks-n-sand water filter. I tried that in 07 and wouldn't really recommend it. There were many problems with my solution that were just plain mistakes First, the evap method I had planned just didn't work. We had help from a neighbor for awhile, but ended up needing pumping by the JOTS guy at the end of the week. Another part of that is I underestimated the water output from a camp of 20 or so people.

What I did was take a beer tub sized tub filled with rocks-n-sand to use as a filter, with a tee-shirt stretched over the top to catch the big stuff. I fitted it into the top of a regular sized trash can to use as a reservoir. Due to lack of capacity on the outflow, it got pretty backed up and the rocks-n-sand were soaked with gray water much of the time. The resulting filtered water was not very clean. So that was a bunch of pure engineering failure, which hopefully you would not make.

HOWEVER, at the end of the week we had a huge heavy tub of NARSTY wet rocks-n-sand that we had to haul home. I triple wrapped it in trash bags and hauled it to the dump. But, oh, was it foul. All the kitchen waste, shower waste, and who-knows-what had been filtering out of the gray water and festering in the sun for a week. That was not an engineering fail and goes with the territory.

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Post by Elderberry » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:35 pm

Fire Wire wrote:
Don't drink showerwater, drink beer and piss clear
I'm all for drinking beer, but the old 'piss clear' adage as a guide for proper hydration is a myth that can actually be bad for you. If your piss is constantly clear you are drinking too much (water or whatever) and you are actually leaching out important minerals from your body. Many a marathon runner has gotten ill or even died from over-hydration.

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Re: Cool

Post by djnormanj » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:47 pm

cincarus wrote:I saw a picture of people running behind a truck spraying water. Looks kind of fun.

I mean running naked behind a truck spraying water. A unique way of meeting new friends!

:D
I'm surprised it took this long for someone to mention this and that it was actually Cindy who did.

Personally, I'm one of those guys that does this. Every time I see that thing comin' down the road, my clothes are comin' off and I'm runnin' behind with my new naked shower buddies. Yeah, so don't drink the stuff! I wouldn't drink water straight out of a lake either, but it doesn't mean I wouldn't swim in it. I never had any problems or heard anyone say they did.
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Post by Bob » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:52 pm

Wow, that sounds real smart. Are you a Christian Scientist by any chance?
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Re: Cool

Post by cincarus » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:45 am

djnormanj wrote:
cincarus wrote:I saw a picture of people running behind a truck spraying water. Looks kind of fun.

I mean running naked behind a truck spraying water. A unique way of meeting new friends!

:D
I'm surprised it took this long for someone to mention this and that it was actually Cindy who did.

Personally, I'm one of those guys that does this. Every time I see that thing comin' down the road, my clothes are comin' off and I'm runnin' behind with my new naked shower buddies. Yeah, so don't drink the stuff! I wouldn't drink water straight out of a lake either, but it doesn't mean I wouldn't swim in it. I never had any problems or heard anyone say they did.

:D SURPRISED? :roll: About me asking this? Heck it looks like fun, like playing in the rain...just NAKED. (by the way that's fun too!)

Yeah I wouldn't drink the water either.

See ya behind the truck! :D

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Post by djnormanj » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:27 pm

Bob wrote:Wow, that sounds real smart. Are you a Christian Scientist by any chance?
Wow, that's sounds real snarky. Are you an insulting comedian by any chance?

To answer your question Bob, no I'm not a christian scientist, I just like to go against the normal flow and hear a differrent opinion once in a while. But the water truck company might be, due to their address. Why don't you ask them?

A-T Water Truck Services, Inc
1055 Bible Way, Reno, NV

Actually, if you do some research, you'll find that the water used for the water trucks, although not pottable for drinking, is not hazardous for other uses. It just has to meet strict and specific handling requirements to be considered potable. If you look up the DOH requirements for what makes a water truck qualified for transportation of pottable water, then you will find a multitude of requirements. I have listed just one example below.

All truck containers must be filled or emptied through an air gap or approved double-check valve assembly, in accordance with WAC 246-290-490. All containers must be completely enclosed and tightly sealed, with lockable lids or hatches. Containers that are open to the atmosphere during hauling are not acceptable for use.

Most non-pottable water trucks are filled from a hydrant or drafting system through an open, non contact, top hatch, or through a valve other than a double-check valve assembly, such as a straight valve assembly. This alone is enough to disqualify them as a pottable means of water transportation. Of course there are very strict guidlines for the testing of certain bacteria. But you wouldn't take an open metal container sitting in your driveway for three months, fill it with water, and drink out of it. You might however, rinse it out and use it to water your plants or wash your car, without any concern of sickness from bodily contact.

I'm not telling anyone that it's "100% safe" to rinse in the water from the water trucks at burning man, but obviously a very large number of people do it, and I personally don't believe it to be a risk. Maybe I'm wrong, but if you choose, or don't choose, to rinse in it, then that's your descision. If you wanna discuss it, I'll send you a PM with my playa address. Just bring over a few cold PBRs and find me. I'll be the guy havin' fun splashin' behind the water truck with everyone else! :wink:

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Post by Bob » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:34 pm

Apparently you've never seen a dead rat peeking out of a stuck water tank valve.

Yes, at the ranch where they pull the road water.
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