Low income people not allowed?

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:27 pm

[/quote]also, a lot of these people end up sneaking in. wouldn't it make more sense financially to provide a way for these people to work for their tickets

Yes of course, find a way for the Lying Lazy Thiefing self-centered losers who must have a hand out to get any where to legitimitley make their way in so they don't fucking SNEAK in. Fuck that. You are obviously harboring guilt for either having snuck in before or having helped someone else to. I don't remember Burning Man ever being about MONEY to begin with. Not having lots of money, not having any money, not asking for money nor making money.

My first two years I went with No money because that is what my friends said I'd need: but I did buy my ticket. Low income people are not handicapped people: we do not need a special entrance into Burning Man. I'm low income people, and you are WAY wrong about Berkeley and San Fransisco. You say people treat the homeless like shit, I say you are hanging around the wrong people my friend. We treated the homeless with friendship and generosity when I lived there. By several years ago I meant 2002 which is hardly so long that things have changed.

Yes, burning man requires disposable income and stability. No, that doesn't mean it is discrimanatory. It is Black Rock City, not Black Rock Communists. When is the last time you went to a festival in Europe, an Olympic event, a political fundraiser, a "gala" symphony event, etc.. etc.. Is everything you can't afford to or plan to attend discrimanatory? NO.

Dude, people can't afford to take the day off work from their 16 hour farming job to cast a vote, and you are worried Burning Man fairness.

I couldn't afford to go the concert of my choice last week, are they discriminating against the poor? Should Napster be legal because some people can't afford CDs. Maybe we should have a government sponsored site fund for people who want to go to Burning Man, but can't afford it. Please get a real cause. Thanks

oddconvergence · Post by **oddconvergence** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:04 am

I wish they burned most of the people in this thread.

I also find the "it's commerce" refutation to the original poster's comments. Not that Burning Man doesn't generate huge amounts of commerce as has been pointed out so eloquently before.

The majority of the people on here got super snippy and holier than thou. Remind me of some goddamn Libertarians.

X-10 · Post by **X-10** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:22 am

how about the Black Rock City Projects? a theme camp with an entire city intersection. vibrant with crack whores, pimps & liquor stores, art cars up on blocks. panhandeling encouraged

oddconvergence · Post by **oddconvergence** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:53 am

X-10 wrote:how about the Black Rock City Projects? a theme camp with an entire city intersection. vibrant with crack whores, pimps & liquor stores, art cars up on blocks. panhandeling encouraged

I would live there.

cobwebbywings · Post by **cobwebbywings** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:50 am

If you are looking for info about BM income in the past check out the afterburn report, there is a link on the BM homepage.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:32 am

oddconvergence wrote:I wish they burned most of the people in this thread.

The majority of the people on here got super snippy and holier than thou. Remind me of some goddamn Libertarians.

That's snippier than any of us got... most of us just said that this is an expensive thing to do, it is a luxury and not a necessity, and certainly not a right... if you haven't earned the disposable income to blow on it it's your own business and no one else's responsibility to subsidize you.
None of us said you should be burned.

The un-coolest one here might be you...

M Joe Boss · Post by **M Joe Boss** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:32 pm

Gawd everything has probably been said and resaid, 20 different ways. So i will just say this. Anybody, who is worth having on our playa, will have there own shit together in the twelve months leading up to burning man.
Yes shit happens!! And generally at the worst times. But comming from a place that has never been out of a recession in my lifetime, with a higher unemployment rate,and lower across the board wages than most of you will beleive is possible, I have never been out of work longer than 3 months.
I know people that live better at burning man than they do the whole rest of the year, because it is their absolute passion to be there. If you are low income, and not happy about it,and you are healthy you are the only one you should ask to fix that situation.

I grew up incredibly poor, I decided I didn't want to stay that way. so I figured out what i needed to do. sold off everthing I had and loaded up my truck, made huge sacrifices and moved to a place where I didn't know a sole, but I knew there was better work.

In this country the only people who stand in the way of us getting ahead, is us.

If somebody would have given me that fish, then I would not have learned how to fish,and subsequently I would have wound back up in the same boat again and again

Meep · Post by **Meep** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:41 pm

I agree with most of what you are saying, to a certain point. I agree that Burning Man is definitely a luxury and a privilege to attend.

There are people—like me—that live on a fixed income; I'm on Social Security. I can't hold a job (believe me, I tried for about 20 years, ended up fired over and over again), and if I try now, I will lose my benefits. But I sure as hell can take in odd jobs, make weird items to sell and recycle cans, and that is how I am funding.

It is my will. I shall make there be a way. And others on low income should do the same.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:47 am

going on SSI tight. But it can be done. With some help, in the case I know best.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:21 am

What I intend to do for next year is to buy four tickets as soon as they are available. I plan to sell two of them the week before the event at cost. I hope this gives a couple people that have suddenly been able to go that might not be able to afford it to attend. This year I wasn't sure if I could attend myself until literally hours before leaving.

JezebelinHell · Post by **JezebelinHell** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:24 am

The majority of the people on here got super snippy and holier than thou. Remind me of some goddamn Libertarians

I'm actually a registered Goddamn Libertarian.

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:18 pm

I hope this gives a couple people that have suddenly been able to go that might not be able to afford it to attend.

I love this idea. It made my burn possible this year, an amazing gal named Amy who sold me her tickets at 165. She was supposed to be married at BM, but instead they broke up. She was, not only not bitter, but super giving and didn't bat an eye when asked for ticket numbers (so they could be verified). She immediately scanned the tickets and her receipt and sent them with a message to have a wonderful time. THANK YOU AMY. When I got back, there was an email waiting from this burning stranger that simply said, " I hope you had a blast".

Though I wonder, would buying extra cheap tickets in advance leave fewer available for those who can only afford the cheap tickets when they first come out. That would suck. I guess then they'd have to wait for the extras to become available again and compete with people who had the money later... Hmmm.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:06 pm

Hmmm. I hadn't thought about that, thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will have to think about it some more, I guess. It sounded like a good idea, but maybe you are right, maybe I should leave them there for the ones with the gumption to buy early. Still, I would hate to see someone that desparately wanted to go suddenly find that they can and miss out only because the low cost tickets were gone.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:15 pm

There's probably about an equal number of people that suddenly find out they can go and people that suddenly find out they can't... and selling and trading takes place every year.
This damn trip costs so much I can't really imagine $75 or so difference in ticket cost would make or break the whole deal... I pour that much in margaritas every day out there.
Man, that's coming out sounding very "elitist"... I'm not the richest mofo out there or anything... but fuck.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:16 pm

The majority of the people on here got super snippy and holier than thou. Remind me of some goddamn Libertarians.

Yes princess, and your point being?

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:17 pm

Captain, that's not elitist, that's honest. I didn't used to be able to provide to lots of people at the burn. I was broke and broken in some ways but the spirit of self-preservation soon evolved to giving. This required a general uplift in my daily existence (and subsistence!). I didn't even want to go back to Burning Man if I couldn't give. Simultaneously, I wanted nothing more than to go back to Burning Man.
In many ways, wanting to go back has made me a more organized and capable person.
Bringing it back to the thread....if after all these years of attending your plan is to ask for hand-outs, I don't understand why you even still want to go.

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:27 pm

Still, I would hate to see someone that desparately wanted to go suddenly find that they can and miss out only because the low cost tickets were gone.

But would it really be a surprise? In my explanation of what Burning Man is, I always include the rising ticket prices. It comes with the territory, accepting it is part of really wanting to go, I think.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:07 am

Good point, as usual.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am

rising ticket prices

I call this the indecision tax.

I really don't want to camp with folks who have not been preparing and obsessing for 6 months.