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Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:59 am

I have discussed this matter with the Dean of Clown Collage and it has been decided, you are too stringy and misanthropic to make good eating.
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Post by goathead » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:48 am

Lovelock?

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:13 pm

yes GH, you're right.

i traded Bjerke my one shot, sawed off 12 gauge for my set of black and whites.

a fair deal, souvenir-wise.
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Post by goathead » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:06 pm

they let you keep them?

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:41 pm

Firearms are loud, but they can contribute to plenty of quiet afterwards, allowing for eight hours of restless sleep. After the screaming stops of course.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:15 pm

What's all this whining about insomnia. I thought all burners were "I'll sleep when I'm dead" types.
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Post by ygmir » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:35 pm

melatonin can be quite useful, more for some than others.........but, it seems, with time, the effects can diminish......don't take to much.......

another helpful item is St. Johns Wort..........but, it can make you photosensitive and reacts with other pharmaceuticals in your body.... due diligence is always in order.......
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Post by cdan18po » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:44 pm

as of now, i am experiencing it too...
my insomnia has making me up till 2 in the morning for about a week...
i hope i got a solution for this one.... :?
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Post by ChillyFire » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:31 am

yay for 5:30 rolling around.

living at the beach and getting up at 3 something in the afternoon, plus amazing coffee will do that to ya.
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Post by Elliot » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:54 pm

:D
Update:
Well, Melatonin does not seem to do me any good. My brother reports it may take as much as 10 x the label dosage, and even then it requires long term use to get any noticable benefit.

But Clonazepam seems quite helpful! The same brother gave me a couple months supply. It's only been a couple of weeks, but 1 mg Clonazepam at bedtime seems to help quite a bit.
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Post by ygmir » Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:08 pm

Elliot wrote::D
Update:
Well, Melatonin does not seem to do me any good. My brother reports it may take as much as 10 x the label dosage, and even then it requires long term use to get any noticable benefit.

But Clonazepam seems quite helpful! The same brother gave me a couple months supply. It's only been a couple of weeks, but 1 mg Clonazepam at bedtime seems to help quite a bit.
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please be careful with large doses of anything, herbal or not........

yes, Melatonin can take quite a while to reach it's full effect........especially if your body does not make enough of it's own, and, is not used to recognizing it.........
and, for some, it just doesn't work.

but, please do some research before taking massive doses as you describe...............
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Post by Elliot » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:18 pm

:D
You are absolutely right. Medications is NOT the place for "Safety Third"! Ten pills, when the label calls for one, would definitely be "experimental".

I even feel guilty about trying the Clonazepam without a prescription. But with the Clonazepam I'm using only HALF a pill.
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Post by ygmir » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:05 pm

Himmler probably thought half a pill was ok...........
just be careful.........please.
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Post by Elliot » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:46 am

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Your concern is very much appreciated, Ygmir. And we old Norsemen must stick together!
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Post by ygmir » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:53 am

so true,

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Post by Elliot » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:07 am

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Post by Elliot » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:20 pm

:D
Update.

Been using Clonazepam a few months now, and have a question: My first month's supply was bought in Norway, and it worked very well. Don't remember the brand, but I could find out.

My current supply is from Wally's here in the US, and the brand is Mylan. At the same 1 mg dose, it does not seem to work nearly as well as the stuff from Norway. Mylan is known to import much of its product from the Third World.

I have the same question about an other med also, which seemed to work better when I got it from Kaiser Permanente some years ago.

Is Wally selling me watered-down meds?

I'm looking for real evidence, not emotional opinions, please.
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Post by gyre » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:18 am

http://www.canadadrugs.com/search.php?k ... &x=25&y=10
I'm having trouble finding an exact match in the cd store, which may or may not be relevant to your search.
I did find different types of dosages mentioned in wikipedia.
Finding the generic trail can tell you much about the supply line of a drug.
Some people don't metabolize the base that a medication comes in, in some cases.
That may be what is happening.

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Post by Elliot » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:52 pm

When you say that some people don't metabolize the base.... Do you mean that the active ingredient would go straight thru me, without being released into my system? If that can happen, then we have something to investigate.
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Post by gyre » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:59 pm

I think it works differently for different cases.
Some have reported allergies or intolerance for the material.
The result is usually a bad reaction or a failure to absorb the drug properly.
It is apparently a common enough issue.

The real test is whether it works on you.

Don't forget to take into account any possible changes in your reaction.
The best test is going back to the original drug.

With many drugs, there is a specific result to test for.
That won't work with sleeping drugs, I would guess.

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Post by Elliot » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:28 pm

The original is made by Roche. It's called Rivotril in Europe.

If failure to absorb a med properly is a common problem, then I need to look into this, yes.
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Post by Bling » Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:41 pm

Hi y'all,

Great thread! A few thoughts:
-- Melatonin is GREAT stuff. When I took it, it worked like the proverbial charm. I slept all night long and had amazing, detailed dreams that I remembered in the morning. In fact, it worked SO well that I stopped taking it. Cold. BAD IDEA. This triggered a severe biochemical depression that lasted for months. If you take it and stop, taper off--don't just quit.

-- Most adults don't have any sort of a sleep ritual, and sleep rituals can really help with getting to sleep in the first place and getting back to sleep if you wake up. I blundered my way into a sort of musical breathing meditation. Here's how it works:
1. Choose a SLOW song that you like. Some work better than others. Greensleeves is a perfect match for my breathing, for example, or My Favorite Things, from Sound of Music, or Camelot.
2. Thinking of the song tune, count backwards from 1000 with each breath. In--1000. Out-999. In-998. Out-997. Etc. But do it to the tune of the song.

I find this occupies my WHOLE brain--it shuts off the part that wants to endlessly go through all the stuff on my to-do list, and basically BORES me to sleep.

Weird, I know, but it really works. Or, in a pinch, Benadryl is good, too. :D

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Post by Elliot » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:31 pm

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Thanks for your input, Bling!

Benadryl is the same chemical as is sold over the counter as a sleep aid -- Sominex or Unisom or some such.

"Boring oneself to sleep" sounds like the old "counting sheep" trick. I hate being forced to being bored, but with music might work.

While Melatonin did not seem to help when I tried it, I may try it again.

Yep, gotta shut off the to-do lists somehow!
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Post by Bling » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:36 pm

I find I have a lot of "channels" in my brain, for lack of a better word. So, at any given moment, I can be typing to you, humming a song, thinking about the paper I'm working on, listening to the traffic outside, wondering what's going on elsewhere in my office, etc. During the day it's fine (though truthfully I have the attention span of a gnat and am very easily distracted :D), but at night, it can make getting to sleep pretty impossible.

Boredom is good in that context! Benadryl = diphenydramine, an antihistamine that helped itching primarily by putting itchy people to sleep, IMHO. It's also in Unisom, Tylenol PM, Advil PM, and Nytol.

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Post by Shotglass75 » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:14 am

Bumping this thread because all I can do is think about Burning Man and I haven't been able to get good sleep lately because of it. Too excited. Anyway, think I'm gonna pick up some Melatonin and see how that works for me.

I have also heard that 5'HTP works wonders for re-setting your serotonin levels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-Hydroxytryptophan

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Post by EmilyD » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:30 am

Thanks for the bump on this thread. I always have trouble getting to sleep and tend to do most of my dreaming in the early AM. I do have some clomazapam (which can definitely help) but I'm concerned about the noise for both me and the Mr. I see there are some good earplug/muffs at this site mentioned last year: http://www.sensorcom.com/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=316. I'm going to check into this more. I appreciate any tips from any other sleep-impaired people who've found ways to get their zzzzs on the Playa.
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Post by Malachi Constant » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:48 am

I'm a lifelong insomniac that hates earplugs. Any potential gains from the noise reduction are offset by the discomfort of having two foreign objects shoved deep inside my ear canals.

Melatonin use to work really well for me until I read somewhere that it was just a placebo effect. It then immediately stopped working. At least now I have a valid excuse to not read anymore ever again.

My current playa insomnia miracle cure? Getting blacked out drunk. Works like a charm.

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Post by gyre » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:52 am

Black Leightning earmuffs.
Very effective and you can sleep with them, though bulky.

Some love the wax type that are shaped over the canal.

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Post by bluesbob » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:05 pm

I suffer from insomnia also. I'm good for about 5-6 hours a night...but that's with medication to help me. I'm pretty used to it and just enjoy the day. Every once in awhile it does become a pain.

1. eat a banana
2. drink chamomile tea
3. take valerian (an herb)
4. vitamins B, B3, & B6

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Post by Elliot » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:13 pm

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Yeehah! I believe I shall try that 5'HTP -- sounds very interesting.

But I am sleeping better than in years, apparently thanks to the combination of Clonazepam and Trazedone. When I wake up in the morning remembering a complex and vivid dream, I know I have had "deep sleep" and will have a fine day.

As for losing sleep over Burning Man preparations, I can only say that... I'm at high risk! Too many projects. But I'm learning to tell myself: "Allright, this item is getting put off until next year."

So I'm bringing ONLY five pianos this year. Right now, I would not accept another piano if you delivered it to my barn. (Well, I would, but it's the concept.)
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