Buning Man and copright protected material

[teardropper]

A company that does pins, stickers, postcards and other things just refused to print a pin with a pic of last years man and the words, "Burning Man 2011". They have been printing this type of thing for some time. No problem. Now they say it is copyright protected. I thought we could use the name and pics for our personal use, just not as a for sale product. I have given and received many pieces of schwag, some homemade, some produced, with the symbol and the words Burning Man. It's rampant.

So what's the deal? Can we use this stuff for our own, non commercial use, or does Burning Man, like Disney, protect these things?

[theCryptofishist]

We can use them for our own, non-commercial uses.
I'd dig around on the main site to figure out exactly what that means. Or email/phone them.
That being said, you cannot force a company to print something they do not want to print. If they've changed the policy, they've changed it. I'd show them the webpage where it says that we can use it, but if that's not enough for them, then that's that.
What they go after absolutely is "Burningman" in the title of ebay items, or any gear or other good sold as "Burningman." If you say, for instance "Desert Camo" in the title and in the description "good for burning man" then you should be alright. But don't name it "Burningman Camo."
If the llc has changed their policy, it is to be hoped that they would inform us. (I wish I could believe that was a given, but whatever.) On playa, those items with the man on them have a lot of value as schwag, and I hope that the llc understands and supports that.

[mdmf007]

Id just make it easy and give my business to someone else.

[Elderberry]

Id just make it easy and give my business to someone else.

I'll second that.

JK

[teardropper]

You guys are right. It's just that I've been using them for lots of different products and they do a good, if a bit pricey, job. I just sent them the photographers agreement. That's the last thing. Anyone know a good pin maker?



This is one from last year. It says Black Rock City, but I gifted the ones that said Burning Man 2010. I know, it's 2009's Man.

[Elderberry]

You guys are right. It's just that I've been using them for lots of different products and they do a good, if a bit pricey, job. I just sent them the photographers agreement. That's the last thing. Anyone know a good pin maker?


This is one from last year. It says Black Rock City, but I gifted the ones that said Burning Man 2010. I know, it's 2009's Man.

I tend to like things like that, that say the event date and theme.

Chances are, especially in this economy, you will find another shop that does better work for less money. Which will be a good thing, no?

JK

[phil]

If you go to
http://www.cieux.com/bm/2dTime.html
and search the page for pins you'll find a list of companies I've used. I'm currently using Dr. Don's Buttons, and he has printed whatever lapel pins and stickers I've asked for.

Our pin from this year:


The sticker we handed out:



Both from Dr. Don.

[TomServo]

I press pins. My machine is made to press 1 1/4inch buttons

[teardropper]

I press pins. My machine is made to press 1 1/4inch buttons

What kind of machine do you have, TS?

[TomServo]

I press pins. My machine is made to press 1 1/4inch buttons

What kind of machine do you have, TS?

American Button Machine...
http://stores.homestead.com/americanbut ... l.bok?no=3

[theCryptofishist]

Anyone have a line on a good patch maker?

And I can understand why Teardropper doesn't want to just walk away from what has been a good relationship. There's a level of trust that isn't reached right away. I wish I had a good way to talk to the shop to explain that that is not an issue.

[JStep]

Anyone know a good pin maker?

http://www.badgeaminit.com/

[phil]

Anyone have a line on a good patch maker?

If you go to
http://www.cieux.com/bm/2dTime.html
and search the page for patch, you'll find my list of patch makers. Here's one I got from Convective:


Obligatory link to page:


I've used him for a number of patches for years.

[theCryptofishist]

Nice.



And since I'm here, does anyone know the copywrite issues of Bunning Man?

[phil]

I think it's not copyright, I think it's trademark.

I don't know what parts of the name or logo of the Man are trademarked or if they are. I recall in John Law's lawsuit, he claimed BMOrg wasn't protecting its trademarks, so I'll guess there are some, but I don't see the R-in-a-circle on this board.

This has information I'm not willing to read through:
http://www.burningman.com/press/trademarks.html
Go to the bottom re: gifts and you'll find the permission for use, if that's permission.

[Teo del Fuego]

What they go after absolutely is "Burningman"

Technically, what they go after is "Burning Man" which is the proper name of the event. And it would be trademark infringement, primarily, though copyright can apply to other incorporations of the trademark.

[Eric]

And since I'm here, does anyone know the copywrite issues of Bunning Man?

TRADEMARKS: The names "Burning Man", "Black Rock City", and "Decompression", as well as the Burning Man symbol, the design of the Man, the design of the city’s lampposts, and the city layout design are all protected by trademark law. They may not be used for any commercial purposes whatsoever without obtaining written permission from Black Rock City LLC. In order to preserve the “Manâ€

[Simon of the Playa]

ERIC

In other words, participants can use it to make stuff to give away, but no-one but the LLC can use it for stuff to sell.

what if i put the official logo in the form of a tattoo on my schvantz?

besides not getting into heaven, will i get sued?

what if i need to pull some tricks if i go on a sheener and end up naked in a dumpster in fresno with no wallet and no idea how i got there?

are there any precedents?

[Simon of the Playa]

ps....this ones for you Mr. Shutterslut.


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[junglesmacks]

What they go after absolutely is "Burningman"

Technically, what they go after is "Burning Man" which is the proper name of the event.

BURN!

[Savannah]

what if i put the official logo in the form of a tattoo on my schvantz?

besides not getting into heaven, will i get sued?

Only if you're exploiting your schvantz for commercial purposes.

(If yes, please illustrate.)

[actiongrl]

You might be able to share this page and clarify for them:

http://burningman.com/press/trademarks.html

[Simon of the Playa]

thank you ActionGrl, i'm glad i read that before i did anything stupid...


or sheeny.

[Simon of the Playa]

not to get off topic, but what are the rules for "Buning Man"?

[Sic Pup]

1 and 2 escape me but safety is third, or so I'm told.

[Bob]

what if i put the official logo in the form of a tattoo on my schvantz?

besides not getting into heaven, will i get sued?

Only in the court of public opinion. Do we really need to see anything else with the trademarked stick figure on it?

I'm pretty sure the back of the ticket says IT'S A FUCKING ART FESTIVAL, DO SOMETHING FUCKING ORIGINAL.

If not, you have my permission to use that for a button.

[theCryptofishist]

not to get off topic, but what are the rules for "Buning Man"?

I'm still a little confused by that. Are we sure it's not Booning Man? At least I can see a verb "to boon." "To Bune" doesn't quite cut it. Which is why I thought it might be "Bunningman". I don't know how one "buns" but I do know that any noun can be verbed. Maybe "bunning" is something you do at assembly line barbeques.

Or maybe it's something billion bunnies do to insure that there are a billion bunnies.

More research is called for.

[phil]

1 and 2 escape me but safety is third, or so I'm told.

I have it on the highest authority that safty is third:

[H.G.Crosby]

JPIP!



just peed in pants.

[teardropper]

They've decided that the problem is that I want to use the words, "Burning Man". They have printed this before but now they have decided that's the problem. OK, the images are alright, it's the text I can't use?