Avoiding nudity at BM - is it possible?

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Post by Homiesinheaven » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:52 pm

this is actually really cute that you're trying to figure out a way for her to go, i know the feeling. it seems like nudity would be the least of her worries if she's that closed up to free expression. a tough lesson i learned last year is that although Burning Man IS for everyone that doesnt mean everyone needs to go.

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Post by Elorrum » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:24 pm

hmm wonder if there's such a thing as clothes colored glasses.

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Post by gyre » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:25 pm

How about just don't look?

The busier areas are usually less nude.
Not that much nudity anyway.
Very little when it's cold or dusty.

Wondering how you have sex without nudity anyway?

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Post by lucky420 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:37 pm

crotchless clothes?

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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:07 pm

Ogdenhousedj wrote:It sounds to me like the friend is a mormon, and they are raised to think that you should be offended by nudity. Shit most of them keep as much clothes on during sex as possible after they are married I dont think the burn is the place for those people unless they have the will to leave the Zion Curtain
Way to stereotype Mormons, this guy goes to the LDS church and could care less about pink parts. I have lots of LDS friends that go with me as well. Nudity is not pornography - BIG difference...No one is "Raised to believe nudity is bad" in the church as well. A lack of morals is what your looking for. Where did you get this info anyways? Sex with clothes on? That is just ridiculous.

Moving on.

Its not going to be possible to go to BM and not see a wiener or breasts or vagina. Americans hang up with nudity is a cultural thing not religious. I have sat in communal toilets with chicks in Italy, france, spain, egypt, etc. No big deal when your raised that way.

Leave her at home is my vote.

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Post by Ogdenhousedj » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:48 pm

mdmf007 wrote:
Ogdenhousedj wrote:It sounds to me like the friend is a mormon, and they are raised to think that you should be offended by nudity. Shit most of them keep as much clothes on during sex as possible after they are married I dont think the burn is the place for those people unless they have the will to leave the Zion Curtain
Way to stereotype Mormons, this guy goes to the LDS church and could care less about pink parts. I have lots of LDS friends that go with me as well. Nudity is not pornography - BIG difference...No one is "Raised to believe nudity is bad" in the church as well. A lack of morals is what your looking for. Where did you get this info anyways? Sex with clothes on? That is just ridiculous.
I get my info from being raised in Utah as a non mormon. Idk where your from but I know Utah Mormons and non Utah Mormons are alot different 90% of Utah Mormons don't leave this state except to go on missions. I've had alot of them tell me maxim is porn and yes alot of them are so ashamed of their sexuality that they stay clothed during sex. They are taught that anybody that isn't Mormon is a sinner and is not welcomed to "their heaven" and that only they are the true church and would prob be excommunicated for attending the new sodom & gamora that is burningman. I'm not stereotyping I'm going by what their beliefs are as a true Mormon and not one that picks and chooses what they follow (being somewhere besides a Mormon church on a Sunday is bad, temple burn don't count)

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Post by Sham » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:52 pm

This nudity thing is such a hang-up with so many people. I swear, that after an hour on the playa, you don't notice naked people. You can have a full detailed conversation with someone unclothed, and not really realize it. The awkwardness of where to look, is really not a problem.

My first year on the playa, there was a guy out in the deep playa stark nekkid. He had no clothes with him, even in a back pack. I couldn't understand how you can spend the day like that and not be self conscious. The next year, I was fine riding in the World Naked Bike Ride. It actually felt awkward having to get dressed afterward.

Your friend may need to be 'exposed' to this and may actually appreciate what god has created.

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Post by BBadger » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:59 pm

When I went, I had this back-of-my-mind expectation that I'd be running in to naked, dirty hippies using every opportunity to strut around and show themselves off in the buff. Like many of my original expectations, nothing could be further from the truth. I didn't see any exhibitionism, lewdness, or other kinds of deviant behavior; it was just people carrying on as if that's what they wear (or don't) every day.

I think the nudity at BM is less sexualized than the worn clothing. Women walking around in bikinis and other such clothing leave little to the imagination, and it's not much different for the men. If your friend is fine with visiting a beach, she should be fine with BM.

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Post by Bob » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:41 pm

The word "naked" appears 108 times in the King James Version and 16 times in the Book of Mormon. Deal with it.
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Post by Isotopia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:09 pm

Avoiding nudity at BM - is it possible?
Start with wearing a fucking bag over your head.

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Post by AntiM » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:47 am

Ogdenhousedj wrote:
mdmf007 wrote:
Ogdenhousedj wrote:It sounds to me like the friend is a mormon, and they are raised to think that you should be offended by nudity. Shit most of them keep as much clothes on during sex as possible after they are married I dont think the burn is the place for those people unless they have the will to leave the Zion Curtain
Way to stereotype Mormons, this guy goes to the LDS church and could care less about pink parts. I have lots of LDS friends that go with me as well. Nudity is not pornography - BIG difference...No one is "Raised to believe nudity is bad" in the church as well. A lack of morals is what your looking for. Where did you get this info anyways? Sex with clothes on? That is just ridiculous.
I get my info from being raised in Utah as a non mormon. Idk where your from but I know Utah Mormons and non Utah Mormons are alot different 90% of Utah Mormons don't leave this state except to go on missions. I've had alot of them tell me maxim is porn and yes alot of them are so ashamed of their sexuality that they stay clothed during sex. They are taught that anybody that isn't Mormon is a sinner and is not welcomed to "their heaven" and that only they are the true church and would prob be excommunicated for attending the new sodom & gamora that is burningman. I'm not stereotyping I'm going by what their beliefs are as a true Mormon and not one that picks and chooses what they follow (being somewhere besides a Mormon church on a Sunday is bad, temple burn don't count)
I'm an ex-Mo now living in Utah. The answer is somewhere in between your two views. Yes, Utah-raised Mormons are different than out of state converts. Some Mormons take it to the extremes, they don't remove their garments (funny underwear) during sex. That was possible with the old style garments, I don't know if the newer ones have the pooper/peeper slots. This is the state where Victoria's Secret has been asked to put more clothes on their mannequins. I have been assured young people are taught to shower quickly so as not to tempt themselves into touching their bodies. Sports practices are banned on Mondays in some school districts because that is Family Home Evening. There is a booming business in modest wedding dresses. And modest prom dresses (same thing). Teachers legally cannot talk to students about condoms. And so on.
Of course, you can find similar restrictions from other religions in other states. A natural conclusion if you live in Utah, but erroneous. I used to live in Iran, but I didn't jump to Islamic rules. I thought more of my friend, a born again something or other from South Dakota, who prays for me a lot.
So, yes and no on the Mormons and nudity.

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Post by dinks » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:31 pm

Take a paper bag, cut a hole in it. Tape this over the hole.



Done, no nudity anywhere and you can stare at the sun all day.

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Post by C187 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:02 pm

All you need is a good pony blinders/briddle headpiece..

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..maybe even complete the outfit for your friend.

Although I happen to think you can go to the event and not see nakie people with out head gear. But it's all up to your friend. If your friend is going to worry about cocks and tits, then your friend is going to see them everywhere. But if your friend magically develops the mind set of, "meh" then they won't notice the bits moving in the background noise. At that point it's up to you to keep your friend away from naughty bit hot spots.. like booby bar, CnJ, WWC, critical tits/dicks, party naked, ext..

If that doesn't work then point out that their is less third legs trilling in the wind then can-cans. Something that should help your friend regardless of gender. Then play up your friends moral convictions as strength to their ability to not have nudity effect them. While reminding them that each person has a philosophy that drives that person and it may be completely different or in tune to your friends. You should make your camping spot a safe zone.

Lastly all the planing in the world doesn't mean shit if you roll into the greeters station when the naked greeters are greeting.
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Re: Avoiding nudity at BM - is it possible?

Post by LittleJack » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:24 pm

JassenB wrote: -keep her nocturnal - I don't recall seeing a single penis at night in 2009
Is it just me, or does it seem strange that for the OP, nudity seems to mean male nudity?
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Post by FIGJAM » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:37 pm

But...I like nakie people with head gear. :(
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Post by MyDearFriend » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:43 pm

JassenB wrote:I have a very dear friend that has been curious about BRC for years and years, and is enticed by everything she hears about it...except the nudity. This is based on religious/moral grounds, and I completely respect her thoughts in that department.
JassenB, I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I understand the value of tolerating other people's beliefs and blah blah blah, but I have to tell you that is is just plain wrong to respect the kind of ignorant superstition that costs children's lives.

I was thinking about your friend today as I was trying, frantically, at 4:30 on Friday afternoon, to pull together an immediate multidisciplinary cancer consultation for a poor dumb kid who walked into clinic this morning with a 5 cm tumor on his right testicle. Well I call him "poor," but he's from a wealthy family. And I call him "dumb," but he's a student at a well-known university. And I call him a kid, but he's 18 years old, so... I can't call his family for him.

And I want to. I want to call his family. I want to call them out, actually, because this huge tumor did not pop up overnight and, even alone in an exam room with the most low-key, gently-mannered and kind-hearted male doctor in the entire faculty, this kid could not admit that he had noticed that huge tumor. He said he just thought he'd "pulled something at the gym." He's probably been sweating bullets about that thing for months.

So, yeah, you say you respect the people who are so frightened of the human body that they can't look at it, they can't talk about it, and they can't give their children the skills they need to survive cancer?

That's just wrong. But I hope that your friend never personally finds out exactly how wrong it is.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled snarking. 8) But before you do that, gentlemen, please check your junk. And speak the fuck up if it's not as it should be.

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Post by Dr. Pyro » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:16 pm

Thanks Julia. We need some proper perspective once in awhile.

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Post by C.f.M. » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:15 am

"I think the nudity at BM is less sexualized than the worn clothing. Women walking around in bikinis and other such clothing leave little to the imagination, and it's not much different for the men. If your friend is fine with visiting a beach, she should be fine with BM."

Good point. The slutty E-freaks in their tutus and hot pants shit are more offensive than any of the old naked hippies.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:42 am

JassenB wrote:... This is based on religious/moral grounds, and I completely respect her thoughts in that department...
WTFO and QE fucking D!?
Is your friend a Muslim? A Christian? Whose moral code forbids nudity? Help me out with some details.

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Post by MyDearFriend » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:47 am

Dr. Pyro wrote:Thanks Julia. We need some proper perspective once in awhile.
Thank you (((Doc Pyro))) sorry to get so real on here :oops: but that kinda shit really upsets me.

Hoping to escape from all that in BRC 8) and hang with some folks who do NOT have their heads up their asses.

Slutty E-freaks could be interesting to look at, yes? I won't find them offensive if they don't throw their self-inflicted problems in my lap. :roll:

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Post by C.f.M. » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:52 am

"Slutty E-freaks could be interesting to look at, yes"

Actually, they're completely not. All cookie-cutters in the same Leg Avenue crap. That's part of what makes them so offensive, when they start showing up in droves come Thursday-Friday night.

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Post by Packoderm » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:37 am

There is a possible solution. The nighttime doesn't seem to bring out much nudity, so the above comments are applicable there. In the bright daylight, your friend can wear a welding mask with a dark lens. He or she will be able to make out the outlines of people and art, but finer details will be blocked. This will allow safe walking without bumping into people or art. It would still be advisable to have a companion in case the person wishes to view the art completely without the obstruction from the dark lens. Once the companion has determined that a particular piece of art is free from nudity thus safe to view, the friend may then momentarily remove the welding mask from the face for a brief glimpse of the art.

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Post by Mojojita » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:27 am

Of course this supposes that the art that your friend wants to see is not about or does not display any nudity or other "offensive" material. That's a lot to suppose. Definately do not bring this person.

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Post by Sic Pup » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:56 am

Packoderm wrote:There is a possible solution. The nighttime doesn't seem to bring out much nudity, so the above comments are applicable there. In the bright daylight, your friend can wear a welding mask with a dark lens. He or she will be able to make out the outlines of people and art, but finer details will be blocked. This will allow safe walking without bumping into people or art. It would still be advisable to have a companion in case the person wishes to view the art completely without the obstruction from the dark lens. Once the companion has determined that a particular piece of art is free from nudity thus safe to view, the friend may then momentarily remove the welding mask from the face for a brief glimpse of the art.
Well.....um......er......never mind, carry on.
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Post by Mojojita » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:10 pm

I consider myself to be open minded and street-wise - but for good or for ill, I have seen things on the playa that are burned into my retinas forever. I think what may be hardest for you to get her through is the general attitude of avoidance rather than acceptance. You may do far better taking a lot of good photos and editing your choices to give her. Even the sounds of Burning Man could be very hard for someone like her. Megaphones don't stop when the sun goes down and that is when the heavy partying ramps up.

Edited to add: Oh! If she attends, don't come in on Wednesday unless she has a bag on her head - that's the naked Greeter's shift!

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Post by dragonpilot » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:02 pm

If you don't see me naked you'll be just fine....otherwise, no guarantees...
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Post by knowmad » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:03 pm

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Post by nocal1260 » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:23 pm

I love being naked.....and dang it sure is hot out there....is not being ashamed of our bodies 'one of things ' that happened in the garden of 'oh yes' Edan, that twisted everything? Peace. I am not christian at all.....
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Post by Tiahaar » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:23 pm

Mojojita wrote:You may do far better taking a lot of good photos and editing your choices to give her.
This is one of my current favorite threads :D

OK true story: a couple weeks ago finally sent my (yes Mormon) folks some selected pics of BRC 2010. Called them, all excited to see if they liked the art. First thing they said "Son we wish you wouldn't go around in that loincloth thing, please don't send us photos of that".

Heh, they got the 5% of pics without me bare or with naked people in the background somewhere...though I slipped in a distant shot of the WNBR: guess which photo they complained most about?
'and um...the art, Mom and Dad, like any of that in those pics??' :roll:
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Post by ibdave » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:19 pm

Mojojita wrote:I consider myself to be open minded and street-wise - but for good or for ill, I have seen things on the playa that are burned into my retinas forever.

Mojo, you keeping all those great playa stories to yourself???? 8) :shock: 8)
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