What do i really need to bring to Bman

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:31 pm

I had this fantastic, extensive list (downloaded from someone) what to bring which was on my macs desktop before i toasted the system..
Does anyone have a list (.doc)

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:14 pm

http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:24 pm

You live in Canada, right? Ask you local Mountie. Or mount your local... nevermind...

The last Cannucks I ran into had a rental truck full of Molsons crammed between the sideboards of a portable hockey rink. Hope you can do them better. I prefer Labatt, btw.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:26 pm

I will note that in my important list of notable items to bring.... I don't drink or play hockey (anymore) .. or live in an igloo and own a snowmobile....
I mean seriously....

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:33 pm

Purple ... please... i am looking it up thats the entire reason for this posting....you don't have to send me to google... I guess i can just figure it out on my own..If no-one had what i need here.... I just miss the list i did have which was extensive and very kind of someone on the eplaya site to put up (very helpful indeed) I guess that they are not looking at this post....

Please people... be nice .... if you don't have somthing helpful ......don't waste your time.

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:34 am

Wildeone wrote:Purple ... please... i am looking it up thats the entire reason for this posting....

Funny, this doesn't look like the search page. Looks to me like you're just asking someone else to do your work for you.

Wildeone wrote:you don't have to send me to google... I guess i can just figure it out on my own..If no-one had what i need here.... I just miss the list i did have which was extensive and very kind of someone on the eplaya site to put up (very helpful indeed)

Okay, let's look at your original post again.

Wildeone wrote:I had this fantastic, extensive list (downloaded from someone) what to bring which was on my macs desktop before i toasted the system..
Does anyone have a list (.doc)

I don't see the word ePlaya anywhere in there. You could have been talking about any of the checklists I've seen here in the last two years, or the Heloise of the Playa page from the main BMan site, or one of the threads over on Tribe - in fact, the best list I've seen this year has been on Tribe:

Crunchie's Big BM List

But your original post put me in mind of Travesty Ltd.'s classic "Rock-n-Roll Doctor:" "Like, I had these drugs...and I took 'em, I think...can you tell me what they were?" Which is about as far from radical self-reliance as one can get, frankly.

If you want someone to help you, do everyone - yourself included - a favor: TELL US WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO TRY AND ANSWER THE QUESTION YOURSELF.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:28 am

Bring yourself and everything you would bring if you were going to camp ALONE for a week in the middle of a corrosive desert where high winds, whiteouts, rain, hot/cold temps, and no water to be found can be expected. Read the survival guide (there is a checklist there, have you seen it?). Read other posts here (especially ones that discuss problems that sound like you may be facing and don't know what to do about).

Even if someone gave you a 100% complete checklist (which doesn't exist) you would not be as prepared as if you made one yourself.

And then be prepared to deal with at least one situation that could not be foreseen.

Good luck, and have fun! Jafe

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:32 pm

Purple wrote

If you want someone to help you, do everyone - yourself included - a favor: TELL US WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO TRY AND ANSWER THE QUESTION YOURSELF.

Well Purple....
I have already created my own list (long time ago) and had a list that someone else posted up on the eplaya.... which was in answer to someone elses question..... I have been shopping and getting the expensive items first ie. propane bottle, parachute (for sun cover) tent..... etc.... I have been posting on the eplaya for a week now.....scoping the camping stores (for needed items i hadn't thought of.... Don't worry your touchy purps babes....i have been doing alot of my own research which is the reason i posted it here... for additional support.

Now i am sure that the playa is a different place to camp and there will be specific items that will only be needed on the playa... Many of which i had in the original list i had (untill recently lost) I was only asking if someone could help ... not do it all for me... as each list will be specific to the individual ( ie. ) the original list had gender specific items on it i will not be requiring

.... I thought the eplaya to be a friendly place for people to ask for help in areas which others would already have blazed the trail and wish to share thier experience to help others... But so far i have been trashed, nazi'ed, told to do it my self, told not to post a subject twice and ridiculed... Guess it is a place for some to get thier frustrations out on others and be elitist

Purple wrote
But your original post put me in mind of Travesty Ltd.'s classic "Rock-n-Roll Doctor:" "Like, I had these drugs...and I took 'em, I think...can you tell me what they were?" Which is about as far from radical self-reliance as one can get, frankly.

If you want to make someone feel like an idiot.....your doing it well.. good job... makes people feel like asking for help.... that is the idea behind the eplaya is it not.... Some of you need to re-think your abilities to help people and think more positivly .... agrivating people is for the people who are in a negative space themselves....

But thanks for the link to Cruncies Bman list ... that is the most helpful thing i have seen here all week... it would have been easier to just post it and skip the thrashing... I do not need additional agrivation from the eplaya but help is always welcome... too bad it took a week of being trashed to get it... Thanks for the lessons and teachings all... i am seriously re-thinking going to a place where the nazis live.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:36 pm

Wildeone wrote:Thanks for the lessons and teachings all... i am seriously re-thinking going to a place where the nazis live.

If being reminded (cynically) what "Radical Self Reliance" means hurts your feelings, maybe you should reconsider. This is not a paradise where all is provided and all you have to do is buy your ticket.

Asking for specific help is one thing (shade, showers, etc). Asking for help on EVERYTHING (especially with just over a month to go) smacks of being unprepared.

If no one responded with the help you sought, what would you have done? Figure it out yourself, arrive unprepared, or not go?

Either way, it is probably a good predictor of what will happen at BRC...

good luck! Hope to see you on the Playa...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:42 pm

Don't worry about if i will come unprepared or not... obviously i am involved enough to figure it out... I WAS ASKING FOR HELP ...not someone to do everything for me.
Unless you would like to come here and do it all for me.... you could go get the beer, make the meals, organise, pack and shop for me and if you promise not to be a tool and i will even let you camp with me too

OK ALREADY.. I AM DONE WITH THIS SUBJECT.... NO MORE POSTS PLEASE Cruncies list is plenty help Thanks Purps

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:10 pm

Don't worry about if i will come unprepared or not... obviously i am involved enough to figure it out

What were you saying?

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:06 pm

Wow...this is the LAST place I ever expected to encounter Godwin's Law in action.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:23 pm

Quotes from User guidlines....
- Everyone is capable of contributing positively to the community
- The eplaya exists to support the burning man community.
- Personal attacks are unwelcome.

This is my first time to Bman (yeah.. been really looking forward to it.) I Live in Vancouver where we have Wreck beach.. (a place where you can be butt naked, drink on the beach and do mushrooms or whatever your heart desires) of course thier is a community there who will let you in on the do's and don't are so i know it isn't that far from the FREE society of bman.

So far in my posting for help on the eplay i have been ridiculed, laughed at, told not to post things twice, told not to ask stupid questions (i thought it was relevant or i wouldn't have posted it) Sent to a Google page where bart simpson was saying that i have been sent thier because my question was fucking stupid, made to feel like an idiot. told not to want other people to do all my work (i was asking for a list of things to bring if anyone had one) and PM'd twice...and basically shat upon for my interest to be prepared and in the know so my trip will be a better one.

I hope that some vetran eplaya people can take the advice of a newbie Bman but old school life lover.... and smarten up. You all should be aware that it is discouraging to the newbie to be shat upon for asking a question....It may be old knowledge to you but if they post it then they do not have the same experience to call the answer from. It may discourage a really cool person by making it seem that the FREE society which they are attracted to and looking to be a part of is tainted by so called vetrans of the eplaya who are ill tempered, rude and most of all ridiculing.

If you don't have anything nice to say... don't replay... your bad energy is your own... not mine.

Tancorix · Post by **Tancorix** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:27 pm

Quit crossposting and look around. I responded to one of your other posts. Crossposting will turn this from a minor annoying flamewar into an ICBM launch zone.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:42 pm

Wasn't meant to offend... Just for Purps to maybe be enlightened a little... don't we all feel that Purps need a bit of positivity....

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:49 pm

don't we all feel that Purps need a bit of positivity....

No, not really.

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:59 pm

Wildeone wrote:So far in my posting for help on the eplay i have been ridiculed, laughed at, told not to post things twice, told not to ask stupid questions (i thought it was relevant or i wouldn't have posted it) Sent to a Google page where bart simpson was saying that i have been sent thier because my question was fucking stupid, made to feel like an idiot. told not to want other people to do all my work (i was asking for a list of things to bring if anyone had one) and PM'd twice...and basically shat upon for my interest to be prepared and in the know so my trip will be a better one.

And in more than half of the threads you have started, you have been told to read the First Timer's Guide, the Survival Guide, or some other section of the main Burning Man website. You have yet to show any semblance of having done so even once.

Wildeone wrote:I hope that some vetran eplaya people can take the advice of a newbie Bman but old school life lover.... and smarten up. You all should be aware that it is discouraging to the newbie to be shat upon for asking a question....

It's not that you're asking questions. It's that you're asking questions that are all answered in one fashion or another on the main website. For someone who claims to be so interested in being "prepared and in the know," you're not doing a good job of demonstrating that.

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:05 am

Isotopia wrote:
don't we all feel that Purps need a bit of positivity....
No, not really.

*air kisses*

I was waiting for you to show up.

technopatra · Post by **technopatra** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:52 am

Ok time out.

I've reviewed this thread and the other 2 threads that Wildeone started. I am feeling the need to remind you all:

This is the Q&A forum. This is where newbies get to come and ask questions. Some will have read everything, some will have read some of it, some will grok and others will not. But everyone should get a chance to ask for help.

Lots of people in the Burning Man community post checklists for other folks to use. We have a few on the main website but I am the first to admit that they are consciously a little difficult to find so folks don't just print them out and not read everything else. (I don't entirely agree with this method, btw, but I don't get to call all the shots). My point is, I do not feel it is unreasonable for Wildeone to ask for a shortcut. As we all know, and as he already knows, it's just a starting point that he'll need to personalize through trial-and-error, anyway.

I don't know about you guys, but it's been a long time since I was a newbie. I remember feeling overwhelemd by the info that I found and I know for a fact that the website has grown from under 200 to over 1200 pages since I started coming to Burning Man. I'm not suggesting that newbies shouldn't do their own research, but I ask you guys to take a moment to reflect on the enormity of the task as it is now and cut the guy some slack.

Those of you who might be on staff should make an even better effort to not to attack without better reason than this. I gently suggest that following a presidential model of pre-emptive strikes against assumed threats, whether WMDs or yahoos, is not in anyone's best interest.

If you want to assume he's going to be a yahoo because he asked, then let your silence be your statement. If you are prone to annoyance at repetitive, first-timer questions and requests, then for the love of Pete don't post here. Seriously. This is the one place that folks should feel totally okay asking for help. Searching doesn't always give useful results and there is so much info here that it is unreasonable to expect a newbie to have read through all the Q&A threads before posting.

And worse, you are probably scaring off the folks who like to help people and can do it with grace - like Chai Guy or LRB.

I'm not asking you to suffer fools and I'm not handing out warnings - I'm just asking you guys to check your attitudes at the welcome mat and give the newbie's moccasins a whirl before posting like this, okay?

All that said, Wildeone, I'm not surprised after this reception that you chose to create other threads hoping to get more helpful responses, but please curb that instinct next time. It is very bad form and violates the Community Guidelines.

Das Bus · Post by **Das Bus** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:18 am

Wildone:

Don't worry, you WILL forget something. (In '02 we almost drove off without our tent!)

Here's a link from another list I'm on:

http://lennyjones.net/whattobring.html

angrykittie25 · Post by **angrykittie25** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:42 am

here is lots of links to lots of packing lists

http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic.php?t=3162
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic.php?t=667
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic.php?t=2638
http://www.burningman.com/preparation/e ... loise.html
http://www.disturbia.com/pack.htm
http://www.gumption.org/2000/blue/things.htm
http://www.cieux.com/bm/things.html
http://members.cox.net/tribe/jimslist.html
http://www.mezziah.org/burningman/99/list.html
http://www.zer0.org/bman/
http://www.softcom.net/users/rocksci/bman/bring1.htm
http://users.rcn.com/fontaholic/burn/list.shtml
http://www.zer0.org/bman/packing-list

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:05 am

I used RebA! & Glenn's list last year and found it extremely helpful.

http://burningman.bluedream.com/whatstuff.php

robbidobbs · Post by **robbidobbs** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:30 pm

Purple is a long standing member of ePlaya, and has a lot more understanding of the "spirit of Burningman" (whatever that means) than you may realize. Check the post count before you start to make judgements on others' "understanding" of what this board, or BM, is about.

This is NOT Rainbow, and the e-community you are tapping into is a microcosm of what you WILL find out there in the desert. Some participants will be more patient than others, and some will make a hobby of fucking with your head. Steer clear of the Chupacabra Policia if you're so easy to fuck with.

Never let others know where you tie up your goat. Nobody can MAKE you feel like an idiot. And the person who said whatever to you to get you to that state probably doesn't care one iota about your emotional well being. We are a brutal, crazy, intelligent, creative, sometimes verbally violent group. We are also caring, patient to a fault, gracious and deeply committed to radical self-reliance. So don't get all butt-hurt, take people's advice with some self-supplied honey, and move on.

You wrote:
.... I thought the eplaya to be a friendly place for people to ask for help in areas which others would already have blazed the trail and wish to share thier experience to help others... But so far i have been trashed, nazi'ed, told to do it my self, told not to post a subject twice and ridiculed... Guess it is a place for some to get thier frustrations out on others and be elitist

Fuck that! You posted multiple times, which just clutters up ePlaya. Now you're whining about getting tomatoes thrown at your performance.
You have a question? Ask it. You want to whine, take the results. Now grow the fuck up and get back to work like the rest of us.

Jeez.

Stormy · Post by **Stormy** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:23 pm

technopatra wrote: This is the Q&A forum. This is where newbies get to come and ask questions. Some will have read everything, some will have read some of it, some will grok and others will not. But everyone should get a chance to ask for help. [snip]

Thanks for reminding everyone and putting it eloqeuntly. I have not read the various threads, but I can understand how someone might have difficulty navigating this space.

I am one of many that believe there is too much nastiness here. I love the idea that if you don't have something nice to say, maybe the Q&A section is not the best place to visit.

Yes, having to deal with the same newbie faux pas may get tiring but no one has to read Q&A and post there unless they want to actually be helpful to someone else. I made the mistake of taking on one of the nasty behaving people who was just itching for a fight. I figured someone who could spew out such nasty remarks could take a little joking in order to see the situation from another point of view. No such luck. The more I tried to explain, the more the other poster want to turn the situation into a flame war.

So best advice is to ignore the bastards. Oh how they hate that as it ruins their fun. Just as there are immature people here, there are still plenty who will try and help out the best they can. Huzzah to those folks!

Wendor · Post by **Wendor** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:23 pm

Wildeone wrote:Wasn't meant to offend... Just for Purps to maybe be enlightened a little... don't we all feel that Purps need a bit of positivity....

Sorry Wildeone, but I have to agree with Koosh on this one.

You have only had an e-playa account for 12 days. You have made 25 posts so far in that time.

You seem to have asked about:
Tiki Torches
Theme Camps
Ice
List of useful things to bring

...but don't appear to have even bothered reading the Burning Man web page to see if your questions were answered there first.

Your question on ICE is a perfect example, you said "Did i hear someone mention that there is ice at Bman... is it true.... can we get ice for our coolers there...." making it pretty darn obvious that you hadn't read much of www.burnignman.com or even bothered to type "ice" into the search box at the top of the page there.

Were some of the responses you got a bit harsh? Perhaps.

Were you inviting harsh responses by not making ANY attampt to find answers before posting your questions? Yes.

Were you inviting even HARSHER reposnses by posing the same question over and over (not only crossposting, but posting the same question multiple times to the same forum section)? Definitely.

theav8tar · Post by **theav8tar** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:42 pm

Boy, it's a good thing we have the (e-)playa "veterans" around to straighten out the "newbies". Otherwise they might actually get some helpful advice, or god forbid -- a little respect.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm ashamed to call myself a veteran after reading the nasty posts directed at the new guy/gal here. That attitude doesn't sound like BRC at all to me, and it's a shame this person's first Burning Man interaction was so bitter. Yeah, they shouldn't have cross-posted, and yeah, it's not too tough to find a list of supplies through Google. But there's no excuse for meanness. As a veteran reading the Q&A board, you are an ambassador of BRC, and you should act like one. If you like being an asshole, then go read something else and leave the advice column to people who actually want to help.

Like Angrykitty25.

Wildone, all I can say is I apologize for my friends here (they're bad drunks), and I hope you won't change your mind about coming to Burning Man this year. People are much nicer once they get out on the playa, I promise!

Here's a list my camp started putting together for this year (note others may disagree on some items, esp. food):

"Damn, I wish I had brought..." List
------------------------------------
Essentials:
More water (1.5 gal/person/day for drinking)
Better food choices (see below)
Sunscreen
Sunglasses
Warm clothing & bedding for nighttime
First aid kit
Duct tape
Flashlight for finding shit in the dark!
Garbage bags
Bicycle (or other wheels)
Crazy outfit

Conveniences:
Lawn chair(s)
Earplugs
Camelbak or canteen
Air mattress
Tarps
Extension cords
Mucho gasoline for generators
Collapsable table
Camp stove/fuel
Lighters (lots)
Bandana (or other dust mask)
Zip-loc bags for electronics/cameras
Spray bottle (mist on face)
Cooler(s)
Notebook/sketchbook and pencils
A good book
Drugs
Extra set of keys
Extra goofy outfit(s)
Gatorade
Condoms
Beer or hard liquor
Red wine (doesn't need to be chilled)
Toilet paper
Chapstick
Baby wipes
Ciagarettes (lots, to share)
Trip toys
Camera
Binoculars
Rope/twine
Tools
Batteries
Glowsticks (yeah, I know...)
Rolling papers
Torch lighter (works in wind)
Garden hose for siphoning gas from neighbor's car
(just seeing if you're paying attention)
Carpet or rugs
Sun hat
Body paint/makeup
Dry ice
Stuff to trade
Bear tranquilizer and handcuffs for bad trips
A camel

Food:
Bring 2/3 of what you'd normally eat
Canned foods work remarkably well (since weight is not an issue)
Rice
Tortillas
Apples, oranges
Pasta w/ sauce
Chips & salsa
Snacks: trailmix, granola bars, etc.
Top Ramen
Carrots and celery or other easy-to-eat veggies
Ice cream (if you brought dry ice)
Vitamins (5-HTP helps if you're rolling)

Just for fun:
Water guns
Kite
LEDs & EL wire
--------------------------------------------------------

Now, everybody stop belittling newbies.

- Avatar

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:51 pm

theav8tar wrote:As a veteran reading the Q&A board, you are an ambassador of BRC, and you should act like one.

And thank god you went to the effort of starting A BRAND NEW E-PLAYA ACCOUNT to tell us all where we went wrong.

You know what? I actually *gasp* apologized to Wildeone in one of the other threads he started, because I did go overboard. But you're trying to teach your grandma how to suck eggs, and if there's anything that will work my last nerve faster than a clueless n00b, it's a holier-than-thou n00b. So get down off the cross - Larry needs the wood.

theav8tar · Post by **theav8tar** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:54 pm

PurpleKoosh wrote:And thank god you went to the effort of starting A BRAND NEW E-PLAYA ACCOUNT to tell us all where we went wrong.

But you're trying to teach your grandma how to suck eggs, and if there's anything that will work my last nerve faster than a clueless n00b, it's a holier-than-thou n00b. So get down off the cross - Larry needs the wood.[/color]

Oh thank you, Great One! How dare I speak back to my elders! Thank you for putting me in my place. Perhaps many posts from now I will have earned the e-respect of the e-playa e-Community, and my opinion will count for something in the eyes of esteemed e-members such as yourself!

I just have one question for you, Koosh: Of the 190+ posts you've written, how many were actually useful? To other people, I mean.

Black Rock City is out on the real playa, not on a message board. So get over yourself and go take a nap or something.

(I gave Larry his cross back, btw.)

Stormy · Post by **Stormy** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:26 pm

Wendor wrote:You have only had an e-playa account for 12 days. You have made 25 posts so far in that time.

Funny this is Wendor very first post. That's interesting. Though I guess Wendor couldn't be a sock puppet, because that is discouraged in TOS.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:29 pm

[quote="theav8tar]...I just have one question for you, Koosh: Of the 190+ posts you've written, how many were actually useful? To other people, I mean.[/quote]

It's your choice whether or not you find Purple's answers "useful". I think every damn one has been "useful". Read the e-playa nazi thread. You've already been forgiven for your transgressions. 'Less you keep startin' threads; then all bets are off.

Oh, and your sock sucks. And you're not bringing enough booze.

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