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Post by dragonflyannie » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:38 pm

sorry guys...
sometimes i let my emotions get the best of me. i meant no personal attack on anyone. my main gripe was with heather graham, because i felt she did all of us injustice. that was my own personal opinion and i accept all comments that followed.
it is not my place to determine a "right" or "wrong" crowd and my apologies...

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Post by stuart » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:40 pm

come on hippies! we know who the 'wrong people' are.


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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:43 pm

stuart wrote:come on hippies! we know who the 'wrong people' are.


sexual predators
egregious moopers
vandelizers
thieves
assaulters

Wanna piece of this? come on! Give it your best shot!
Forgot one............heather graham.
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Post by blyslv » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:50 pm

stuart wrote:come on hippies! we know who the 'wrong people' are.


sexual predators
egregious moopers
vandelizers
thieves
assaulters

Wanna piece of this? come on! Give it your best shot!
I'll drink to that!
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Post by Blenderhead » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:51 pm

What's a honey bucket?

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Post by Bob » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:54 pm

I don't recall this sort of reaction to "Lisa the Treehugger" (The Simpsons, Season 12).

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/CABF01

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Post by sparkletarte » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:57 pm

Oooh, socky sock, so scary you are! And that evil face! Gah! I can barely look without trembling! Stop it, you're making me cry!

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dfa- I don't take it as a personal attack, completely, but yes, there is a personal element in there. How would you feel if someone said to you that you weren't welcome at an event you really wanted to check out (for whatever reason)? That's the point I was trying to get across. I take what you are saying as being elitist and really I don't care for that. And it's not just you, there's quite a few threads about 'how can we better keep people out of our own paradise'. There's too much elitism in the world already, and look at your country (I'm Canadian and am assuming you are from the US, I could be wrong) with crazy efforts to protect it and keep the 'bad people' out. Do we really need to perpetrate that kind of thing?

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Stuart, seeing your list, I can understand what you are saying. People are being put on the 'wrong people' list an on the eplaya, and it's not always because they fit on to your list. Call me a hippie if you will, whatever, I think there are people who might be 'wrong' that may have their eyes opened and lives altered for the better by attending BM.

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blyslyv, you got the jist of it. I don't like appy polly woggies, I prefer to see them swimming free, rather than on a cracker...although I did love the shrimp at m&g.

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Post by stuart » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:05 pm

I think there are people who might be 'wrong' that may have their eyes opened and lives altered for the better by attending BM.
I think this is true too. However, if their enlightenment comes at too heavy of a cost to the community or to me personally I say screw 'em. I recognize that you are a nicer, more tolerant person than I am though.

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Post by blyslv » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:11 pm

ITYM "ape-y" oh me droog.

I'm off to have lomticks of toast.

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Post by sparkletarte » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:16 pm

I agree with that philosophy. I don't see the point in tossing out a whole box of apples just because one is rotten. Nor would I want to leave that apple in to ruin the whole box. It's finding a balance that includes all apples, and yet is effective enough to remove the bad one so the rest aren't spoiled. And even that bad apple, maybe it has a use that hasn't been found yet, maybe it would make good pie, a nice crumble, or perhaps some juice. hahaha.

Ah, apple analogies, so much kinder than fuck you's, isn't it?

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Post by PetsUntilEaten » Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:04 pm

Bob wrote:I don't recall this sort of reaction to "Lisa the Treehugger" (The Simpsons, Season 12).
I know you're just being cute & trying to make me crush on you more -

But lets say that few people that heard the Simpson's environmental activists say "You'll have to miss Burning Man" are subjectively less of a potential burden than the people who heard Heather say "party spot with naked people & drugs".

I know. I know.
Who am I to judge?
But I just did!

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Post by Isotopia » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:05 pm

C'mon, bronco was funny. That had to be sarcasm.
DAMN Bronco! What size marlin hook are you using that you'd snag someone so perfectly with that post.

Good job.
What's a honey bucket?
Blender, remember that little white bucket set up we saw in camp that one day on the playa? The one someone had set up to be used for nightime tinkle time?

Remember when we put our respirators on and borrowed it so that we could make those 'special' frozen raver pops that we handed out at Mutator?

OK, that's what a fucking honey bucket is you dumbass!!!

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Post by stuart » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:07 pm

'special' frozen raver pops that we handed out
you did not!




did you?
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Post by Isotopia » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:15 pm

you did not!




did you?
Some things are left unconfirmed.

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Post by Isotopia » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:17 pm

"...best left unconfirmed" Me meant.

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Post by Badger » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:23 pm

Isotopia wrote:"...best left unconfirmed" Me meant.
Cheeses Christ Iso, would you shut the fuck up with your blabbing? You're gonna fuck over the rest of us who swore ourselves to secrecy you nattering old cow.

Fuck.

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Re: Celebrity knocks Burning Man on Jay Leno

Post by cowboyangel » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:38 pm

dragonflyannie wrote:Okay, I'm pretty upset...
I'm watching Jay Leno tonight, and this actress, Heather Graham, is on there. He asks her, "so what's this Burning Man thing you just went to?" and she proceeded to basically paint a pretty bad picture of it.
Her description of it backed up what all the negative media reports have claimed it to be... basically a place where people can go naked, drink and do drugs. It really seemed that she did not like it, for she stayed for only two days and that was too long according to her. She said that people say it's a spiritual thing and you go there and your life just makes sense, but she didn't see it that way at all. Fine, then you don't belong there!!! But don't go on National television making it seem like a huge party where people run naked and do drugs. It's SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT TO THE MAJORITY OF US! Damnit. Sorry, I'm pissed.
I'm pretty disturbed, seeing as though I didn't think Burning Man should be discussed on National television without BM orgs consent. Granted, it's free speech and she can talk about whatever she wants (I guess), but I feel like she just totally ripped on the event and all the burners who hold it dear to their hearts in front of thousands and thousands of viewers.
Am I wrong to be feeling like this? That's fine if she doesn't get it, she doesn't belong there, but I'm floored that she painted such a pathetic picture of it on National television.
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Post by Force » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:10 am

M-Files wrote:
Alpha wrote:You think telling the world that BM is a naked sex 'n drugs party will deter the undesirables from coming?

Yes! Well, I didn't see the show, but it really depends on how it was said. If it was portrayed as something like naked old hippy males doing drugs and scaring away the likes of Heather Graham, then I cannot imagine anything that would scare a red-blooded corn-fed frat boy more than that image.
As anyone who's dealt with any significant number of people knows, people will hear what they WANT to hear no matter how it's said.

It goes kind of like this;

blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahNAKEDblahblahblahblahblahblahDRUGSblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah

How about putting a description of exactly how unwelcome frat boys/frat boy behavior are and how they're going to get treated right on the ticket?

Or here's an idea for an art project- the monument of shame, composed of pictures taken of those who leave moop behind, act retarded, etc, immortalized on this or another website, and then also on an art installation in some close proximity to the gate?

Heh, it could even be designed as a frat boy snare, say, a maze with the promise of a glimpse of tits or beer or sex or whatever at it's center, with all these pictures, yard after yard of them condemning them at every turn.

Kind of an art FAQ.

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Post by SilkenTofu » Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:31 am

Bob wrote:I don't recall this sort of reaction to "Lisa the Treehugger" (The Simpsons, Season 12).

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/CABF01
because the Simpsons are cool, and any debate started on this would have shaken the foundations of the eplaya and eventually ended Burningman altogether.

Plus it was such a quick mention that people who don't know their pop culture are still saying "huh?" - or if you are Don Muerto "que?"
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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:00 am

AntiM wrote:I bet Ms. Graham was badly disappointed with her gift bag. Not at all up to Oscar or Golden Globe standards. After all, if it is a "gift economy" one should receive a kick-ass gift bag at the gate, yes?
Thsi si a damn good post, and somehow this is the most snidely nasty piece of it all. Talk about cluetardity. I'm so proud of you Anti-M. (Not that I had a damn thing to do with it, but I like taking credit for others' accomplishments.)

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Post by Bob » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:38 am

Image

"Heather, I served cocktails to the Rat Pack. I knew the Dino and Sammy. Frank Sinatra was a friend of mine. Heather, you're no Joey Heatherton."
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Post by Alpha » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:02 pm

Ooh, another caption contest!

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Post by Sensei » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:12 pm

Alpha wrote:Ooh, another caption contest!
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Alpha wrote:Ooh, another caption contest!
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:26 pm

Bob wrote:Image

Yeah, like that.
Now if leno was milking Heather like that, I'd be watching everynight!

I think that it was nice that Heather said some negative things about BM. After missing last year, I couldn't believe the number of people on Monday. I usually can find my favorite camp site with only a few people camping there. This year it seemed like I drove in on Wenesday or Thursday.

Once on our local public radio station, a person was speaking about how everyone should go to this amazing new conceptualize city. I called immediately to tell everyone that BM is about a bunch of grey haired hippies running around drugged out and stinking listen to bad music and trashy art. I had hope that a few Disney types would drive on past and head to Circus Circus instead.

BM is not for everyone.

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Post by actiongrl » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:44 pm

>Burning Man is a counter-culture event

How so?

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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:02 pm

actiongrl wrote:>Burning Man is a counter-culture event

How so?
Hm. Good question. I'd say that it's in many ways outside mainstream culture (do it yourself rather than getting spoonfed for instance, although I"ve done enough crafting to know that I'm over-simplifiying) but is it exisiting as an alternative? What does "Counter Culture" *mean*/

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Post by stuart » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:35 pm

: a culture with values and mores that run counter to those of established society


established society is very commercialized
burning man has a no vending policy
established society has indecency laws
burning man is clothing optional
established society is very car friendly
burning man is not
established society curtails many freedoms due to it's litigious nature
burning man has the zip line


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Post by phoenix13 » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:51 pm

DVD Burner wrote:I dont know about you guys but she does'nt look or seem like burner girl material to me.

All the burner girls I know kinda blow her away.
As a burner girl, I say thanks!

But I saw the interview. Yeah, I thought it was lame that it seems that she only took in such a small part and didn't really wait to see the rest of it. I bet that she probably didn't interact with the people either.

Honestly, the people that I met at Burning Man were the greatest. They were nice, intelligent and fun. Gee, I guess she must have gotten that from her shallow entourage to come out with such a myopic view.

But then I remember one thing that I heard a lot at Burning Man. Burning Man, like life, is what you make it. If she made it a party with drugs and nudity, then that's her deal.

But I think anyone that takes her opinion of what it's like and says that's exactly what it's like needs to have their head checked. I heard similar things before my first burn. It didn't deter me (I guess you could say that I went for the right reasons). I still went and I had a blast. I don't know if it will bring drunken frat boys next year or what have you. I don't think people will remember in 6 months what her opinion was.

All that we can do, as a community, is to help insure the survival of something that we enjoy so much. The yahoos will only show up once. Those that genuinely want to go for other reasons will keep coming.
And in time we will all burn and become a new.

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Bad Press has really hurt attendance at burningman---NOT!

Post by BRC_Santa2003 » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:14 pm

I saw the Leno Show that night, and like others had mixed feelings.

First I was impressed that she lasted a whole two days without her entourage and cases of Perrier. I hoped that from the bad press, there would be fewer 'non-burners' in future years. Observers are non burners.

I was a little depressed that I didn't see her running around naked for an impromptu photo-op...LOL.

Also felt sorry for her that her head was so far up her own ass that she couldn't see past the sphincter to begin to appreciate the planning and labors of love that went into most of the camps and artwork.
HER LOSS -- NOT MINE.

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