Same politics as last year

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Same politics as last year

Post by honesty_13 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:21 pm

My burn last year was just about ruined b/c I questioned my "camp mates" about where everyone's dues were going. To make a long story short I narrowly avoided a physical confrontation by some of the more thuggish camp members (does every camp have them???) and went solo for the last 3 days.


This year I thought I joined the right camp, the questions about camp dues/transparency (where the $$$ is going) were all answered in the affirmative. Now that it's time to spend the money (about $32,000) all the sudden plans start changing and where the money is going is not clear. For example, we were supposed to rent 5 ryder trucks @ roughly $1,400 each. Now we only need 2 b/c we have more people toting trailers/cargo. Right there we should have a savings of about $4,200 which I suggested we use for bringing fresh foods (fruits, vegetables, and meats (chicken, fish) ect. The camp leader's response was "we don't have the money." When I pointed out we're saving over $4k and we should have $1,500 to buy FRESH foods I get the run around, vague answers, and now no answers.

Is it that hard to be honest and just tell the camp where the money is going???

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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by Elderberry » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:03 pm

I'll tell you...."Organizational Fees". :shock:

Happy now? :D
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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by Jackass » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:07 pm

Didn't you post this same crap under a different user name last year around this time?? If it wasn't you, it sounds very trollish similar...
Sooner or later, it will get real strange...

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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by GreyCoyote » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:13 pm

Note to self: Most burners are complete flakes when it comes to money. If you want accounting for the money, you need honest *accounting* for the money, as in "here is this months P&L for the camp. Here are the expenses. Here are the account statements for anyone to see". You run it like a company, complete with governance and minutes, etc.

You clearly didn't have that. Not now. Not then.

Not to put too fine of a point on it, but how many more times will you need to have this discussion with yourself before you finally decide this game is rigged and you don't want to play it anymore? 3? 4?

Start a camp of your own. Do it right. Believe me, if you do it RIGHT, you won't have to shop very far for campmates.
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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:17 pm

Start your own camp with people you know, whose values and vision you some-what share, let it grow organically, even if you only start with one person in that camp. It doesn't need to be a business, it doesn't need to be that big. Joining big camps is over-rated. The big camps bring plenty, and I am obliged to them, but it's not for everyone. It's not required to join a camp. You can always go the camping in the desert route. Next year invest in that, you might have more fun.

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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by Jackass » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:49 pm

Nominate yourself as treasurer and then tell them you're going to have to see all the books in order to complete your camp-wide audit.

Once bit, twice shy.
Sooner or later, it will get real strange...

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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by honesty_13 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:06 pm

Wow - that was fast!! The rep has agreed to refund my dues - I'm done with theme camps. It's just going to be me, a hertz van (prepaid that I cant get out of:( and an extra $250 worth of goods I'm buying with my "dues."

peace

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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by strange love » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:16 pm

Going solo is awesome! Who needs a theme camp?

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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by Sundial » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:55 pm

jkisha wrote:I'll tell you...."Organizational Fees". :shock:

Happy now? :D
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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by Sundial » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:58 pm

honesty_13 wrote:Wow - that was fast!! The rep has agreed to refund my dues - I'm done with theme camps. It's just going to be me, a hertz van (prepaid that I cant get out of:( and an extra $250 worth of goods I'm buying with my "dues."

peace
Maybe you could hook up with Camp Hotel Rug? They're sort of informal and it doesn't cost anything.
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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:55 pm

strange love wrote:Going solo is awesome! Who needs a theme camp?
Please, go post this in every newbie searching for a camp thread...
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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by DrewDubious » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:08 pm

honesty_13 wrote:
Is it that hard to be honest and just tell the camp where the money is going???

Da fuck you askin us fer? :lol:

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Re: Same politics as last year

Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:48 pm

You are with the same people again? :shock:
I think in that case you are the one who needs to be answering questions.

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