Burning Man MOOP map online (2006)

[phil]

http://www.burningman.com/environment/p ... p_map.html

I'm happy to say our area is in the green.

The map is very precise on where the trouble spots were for 2006. Does anybody have a way to overlay last year's theme-camp map over this?

[AntiM]

Offhand, looks like The Deep End's block was red.

[Teo del Fuego]

wonder if Jiffy Lube's End was red?

[mdmf007]

Could have swore I saw a map overlayed with the theme camp names on it with the hot spots???

I have been lookin and wont give up till i find it again.!!!!!!!
later

[MikeVDS]

I notice the Urchonia camp is red within a yellow block. Our block was yellow I don't think any, if much, was from us. I see Gigsville was also a yellow block. Hopefully we can help that out some this year. There is no reason to leave just behind. It's not hard to get camp together and spend a few minutes sweeping camp for dropped items and follow a few basic rules.

[pinemom]

I know it kinda sucked, we got yellow...and I know we had 6 teams of moop control,and with brooms and rakes... although the "will go unnamed camp" next door, were late getting their shiet together...so when the rig came to pick up there monster trailor, they all just split when it was packed...bad form! Their site was full of screws and twisty ties...etc...
we did a once over their camp site, but Im sure by the time, evaluations were done the wind had uncovered more, and strung it all over that section.

[Archantael]

Besides noticing that the Eplaya Bar Camp block is marked green, one thing I'd like to see is a moop map for the art area out beyond the man. You can't tell me Uchronia didn't leave any trace.

[Teo del Fuego]

we wuz yellow, but most definitely because the wind blew other people's crap onto our site after we left.... .

[Lassen Forge]

Hmmm... Temple camp was red? Or am I dispatially displaced.

Bottom line - there is no excuse. Not from anyone, ESPECIALLY ourselves. I feel a deep sense of shame that our camp was in the yellow, EVEN IF it was someone else's crap or whatnot, it means that we didn't try hard enough. Damn.

I can make all kinds of excuses about how f***ed up the neighbors camp was, how it was *their* moop that caused *us* to fail... but bottom line is, shit, we could have done better.

I don't care if they hid Uchronia or the Man or whoever on the playa - I also don't care how someother camp did, except maybe our neighbors (meaning we didn't really communify enough). Our camps, our homes, our abodes, is what we should be worried about, and what we should all be reesponsible for. Pony up, say "Yeah, we WILL do better next year", and do it. NO excuses. No alibis. ESPECIALLY if your area was yellow or worse.

I think next year I'm gonna try the same trick that the medcamps and rangers used - canvas or some heavy tarps on the floors UNDER our structures, like the Kantina, Doom dome, etc. It worked for them, was hypereasy to de-moop (I watched them do it - farking broom and dustpan work) and they slammed their demoop out in hours. And they had a SHITLOAD (metric, no, make that imperial) of moopable shit. If they can get clean, by god, WE can.

Plus - a RIGID don't let it drop enforcement. Period. Hits the ground, so do you. ANd give me 50 while you're there... }giggles{

[MikeVDS]

Plus - a RIGID don't let it drop enforcement. Period. Hits the ground, so do you. ANd give me 50 while you're there... }giggles{

I love that rule. I may have to adopt a similar one. Probably more of a drop and give me X depending on the person. Probably mostly around 10 for the people I know. I think 50 would leave some people (myself included) on the ground all day.

[phil]

> There is no reason to leave just behind.

That was jiffy lube camp, wasn't it?

[MikeVDS]

> There is no reason to leave just behind.

I think I meant to write "junk" instead of "just". It took me a minute to figure out what exactly I was saying when I re-read. Looks like a brainfart or something.

[EspressoDude]

Wahoo!!

EspressoCamp got GREEN!!

But then we walked the area before we moved the vehicles, then again after moving vehicles out of the camp, including buffing off the small black patches the tires leave after sitting for a week.

We also had carpet in our tent and double bagged the coffee grounds daily.

[Zhust]

2004 was my first year and I camped with other people. Looking back, I'm ashamed of our behavior. I think we did well with MOOP but our evaporation pond ... well ... didn't evaporate. I have no idea why veterans insist on building those things because they do not work.

In 2005 I camped pretty much alone inside AEZ and perfectly cleaned my site.

In 2006 I again camped with others and became part of the de facto "shit team" as I was among the last to leave. My camp-mates couldn't care less about anything hitting the ground because it was on a tarp underfoot and it wasn't their problem. We tried our best -- even staying so long that I got a warning from BLM to vacate -- but the tiny scraps of MOOP seemed endless.

We ended up in a yellow area. I find this shocking -- we should have been red, but apparently were just "average."

Anyway, my point is that if everyone took responsibility all the time, there would be almost no MOOP. (That is, no matter how hard you try, a crumb may fall out of your mouth, or hair will fall off ... no hope to be perfect.)

I actually find it to be part of the excitement of Burning Man to try and be MOOP-free. I guess others feel it's some kind of chore ... one of those "if nobody sees it" kind of things.

Yeesh.

[MikeVDS]

I have no idea why veterans insist on building those things because they do not work.

They should work, but you have to size them appropriately for your grey water production. Also keep in mind that weather conditions alter how well they work. Ponds are going to have very little surface area compared to the amount of space they use. There are way to increase surface area of dry air against surface area of the grey water. And keep contingency plans. It is possible that it could be humid and/or raining out there.

[pinemom]

No K4, we were YELLOW! damnit all, Im sure it was neighbors... as we had huge Moop commitment on tuesday morning!
That was instilled in all of us (pardon a couple non commital Virgins) from the beginning, and we did the floor under the floor under the Bar. will do this again as well! Bar's can moop a very nasty liquid moop!
But most of all we are working on a trash system and moop patrol, so from the day we set foot on playa till we leave we shall be moop free!

[Dr. Pyro]

Though Wheeeee!Ville, which includes BDC&WB, was YELLOW, or average, it seems to me the greatest percentage of the greens are on the outer streets, where nobody visits, few people camp, and certainly less goes on there than anywhere else. The message is clear: Come to Burning Man and have no fun, no visitors, and never come back. Seems like we should be doing just the opposite if you ask me.

[mdmf007]

firmly set in green thank you - of course we didnt bring much to begin with.

5:15 between G and H

[MikeVDS]

The message is clear: Come to Burning Man and have no fun, no visitors, and never come back. Seems like we should be doing just the opposite if you ask me.

It seems like the message is clean up the mess because someone has to. If you create an environment that draws a lot of people you need to expect to clean up both unintentional and intentional moop. It is everyones job to clean up and we're all in it together. Regardless of what color you were in, we should all be a bit embarrassed that the people who stayed after to clean up felt there were so many problem areas. We should all pick up junk as we see it and make sure others do it. Don't look at the little parts of the map at first, look at it as a whole. That is what we're all responsible for. The little borders are useful for us as well to know what camp styles and and operations can become problematic and we can watch more closely.

[Teo del Fuego]

I have no idea why veterans insist on building those things because they do not work

Astral Head Wash manages each year to evaporate 800+ gallons of grey water in their 2 evap ponds. The ponds were, admittedly, the size of small swimming pools and required the camp to be positioned in a certain way and location to maximize the sun. But they can and do work. I think surface area is ultimately the key. (And our daily 3 am bucket brigade to the JOTS! ).

[diane o'thirst]

Gods bless a small camp of veteran, conscientious Burners! Safer Sex Camp got the A+!!

Yes, putting tarps down under <b>all</b> structures is golden. Think of your structure as a building, and it's not like you have to build a slab. Just get a groundtarp that extends out a foot or so from your structure's actual footprint and grommet where you're putting your stakedown rebar.

BBSue is absolutely right: there was 'WAY too much yellow on that map, and not nearly enough green. I don't remember seeing any green on the Esplanade, and next to none from C street forward.

[phil]

> And our daily 3 am bucket brigade to the JOTS!

I have some hazy recollection that gray water in the portapotties was a no-no.

[Dr. Pyro]

In all fairness, who said anything about gray water?

[diane o'thirst]

Here's a suggestion:

Unless your camp has a killer lighting system that gets packed last, you have to spend Sunday breaking down and be totally broken down by afternoon. Then take 2-3 hours for your MOOP-sweep. Here's what we did:

Camp meeting at dinner Friday night. Discuss our departure routine.
Camp director told every individual camper to start packing away what they wouldn't be immediately using FRIDAY NIGHT. No huge assignments, not bound to camp while everyone else is going out partying.

Saturday morning: Pack a box of food for the next three days, and try to make it in the least amount of pots, utensils and eating-ware as possible. Pack away everything else, pack dirty clothes.

Sunday morning: get up start striking your camp and do some preliminary loading. We got that done in three hours because we have systems down and worked systematically. By 5PM, we had broken down and bundled up everything. By eight, we were all packed up and racing the loss of light and Temple Burn to de-MOOP. Since I was the camp's Earth Guardian I promised Robert to do a MOOP sweep of camp the ext morning and went to a friend's camp to crash, because by the time I got back from the Temple Burn I was WIPED. Campmates took off for Reno at 11PM. I got up at daybreak the next morning, did a sweep, and headed for Cedarville at around 8:30.

It does help if you have a system and stick to it. FLYLady recommends 15-minute decluttering and hotspot-dowsing every day, and it works out there too.

[Barbie]

My camp is at 8:45 and the outside ring-our neighborhood bar is at 9:15 and the second to the last ring......I walked or rode that last street; the whole week. I picked up more moop last year than all the years I been to BRC (4) combined. And even made comments that I thought people were just dropping there trash I'm not looking for a pat on the back-I'm doing my job like everyone should do. If you see something on the ground PICK IT UP!!!! so what its not yours or your camps or what ever JUST PICK IT UP easy enough....And by the way if someone is riding by your camp and they pick up a peice of moop-if they politely ask if you could put it in your trash HELP them out and take the MOOP.[/i]

[actiongrl]

Indeed it's worth noting that some red camps are camps that have HUGE public presence or are there for longer than the average camp. Why does length of time matter? Well, the longer you're there the more stuff you'll drop, and the greater the chances that it'll get covered up by kicked up dust and not be seen on your last day of cleanup. The moral? CLEAN AS YOU GO and DON'T LET IT HIT THE GROUND!

It really can be possible to leave thinking you've COMPLETELY mooped every inch, only to find your camp yellow or red on the map. How do I know? It happened to me! I can only guess that despite our best efforts some MOOP from being a very public area got covered over in dust and we failed to see it in our extensive combing of the area. So this year we'll have a microtrash/MOOP cycle every day as part of our regular operations. We've had this plan before but I am going to make SURE it gets done every day.

[diane o'thirst]

What I noticed from the map was that you'd have a swath of yellow dotted with red and one block in the middle that is green. It looked like HeeBeeGeeBee Healers was one such instance; their whole block was green and they bring a BOATLOAD of people and infrastructure. So I don't think it has anything to do with the wind because the wind doesn't count streets.

I did notice a lot more green squares in the north part of the city (6:30 - 10) than in the south, plus the green squares in the south were a lot more spread out. Much of the green squares in the north were contiguous.

What I would like to hear is how much MOOP the spring sweep came up with. What's the benchmark? If there's a cupful of microMOOP like wood chips, string, a ziptie, et alia, does that count as green or yellow? Where does a ziploc bag put you on the scale? What's red? A garbage bag worth of MOOP? A grocery bag?

[Lassen Forge]

Indeed it's worth noting that some red camps are camps that have HUGE public presence or are there for longer than the average camp. Why does length of time matter? Well, the longer you're there the more stuff you'll drop, and the greater the chances that it'll get covered up by kicked up dust and not be seen on your last day of cleanup. The moral? CLEAN AS YOU GO and DON'T LET IT HIT THE GROUND!

It really can be possible to leave thinking you've COMPLETELY mooped every inch, only to find your camp yellow or red on the map. How do I know? It happened to me! I can only guess that despite our best efforts some MOOP from being a very public area got covered over in dust and we failed to see it in our extensive combing of the area. So this year we'll have a microtrash/MOOP cycle every day as part of our regular operations. We've had this plan before but I am going to make SURE it gets done every day.

Doesn't it burn you up???

When I saw Station 3's set up I vowed I was gonna try that this year at Apok, just to see if it worked as well for us as it did them (I *saw* their resultant mooplessness)... It's so embarassing to leave a yellow stain upon the playa...


...map!

Also, remember that you will have trashytrash and moopymoopables blow in. We did a microsweep only to watch moop blow into our camp from next door. After broiling out there, *That* was the suckyest part of all - people with big camp spaces stryking camp and leaving a pile o'crud. Not as bad as 05, but still... ya think people would GET A CLUE!!!

We did a mo-op co-op a couple times daily - while I'm sure it helped... yeah... it wasn't near enough, as we now know. The biggest things are (1) never let anything EVER hit the ground, and (b) protect the playa if at all possible with pro-active steps.

Otherwise, when the moop hits the cracks... well, it'z all over!

Hugz,
bb

[Killbuck]

"...when the moop hits the cracks... well, it'z all over!"

Words to live by... or put on your tombstone!!!! (snort!)

Ok BB... I got us covered. I just obtained in trade, a large quantity of large OD and camo poly tarps. We can cover half the camp total space with these!!!!!

[phil]

What's the benchmark? If there's a cupful of microMOOP like wood chips, string, a ziptie, et alia, does that count as green or yellow? Where does a ziploc bag put you on the scale? What's red?

Actiongrl may have correct information, but from an article in the San Francisco Chronicle at
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... D7FK81.DTL
dated June of 2005, I find this statement:

In twice-yearly checks, the Bureau of Land Management surveys 75 plots on the Burning Man site that measure a tenth of an acre each. Burning Man is allowed an average of 1 square foot of debris per acre, but left half that amount behind in 2004, according to the latest inspection report.

The page on the moop map defines yellow as "While neither the best nor worst, your impact trace is the ever-changing average." So I don't know if that means the actual "half that amount" (of a square foot of debris per acre) or if it's the allowable average of 1 square foot. (And I understand the 'average' of a square foot per acre is subject to change.)

My guess is that instead of thinking volume (a cupful of micromoop), we should be thinking in terms of the surface area of the trash. A cup of zipties, string, and beads may be more surface area than a sandwich baggie.