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Bleach disposal

Post by Sundial » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:01 pm

So apparently stored greywater has to be bleached to minimize the biohazard it poses. However, bleach can't be taken on a plane. Are there waste facilities in Reno that will accept pure bleach, or is there a better way to deal with unused bleach? Also, what's generally the smallest bleach bottle size one can get?
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by FIGJAM » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:09 pm

A quart.

What do you need bleach for? :?
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by lemur » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:13 pm

my guess is that they are going to 'disinfect' the gray water with bleach, dump (or 'sprinkle') the graywater on the playa and then try to ditch the bleach somewhere in reno before their flight.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by delle » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:15 pm

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This is the sort of thing that it might behoove us not to have 16 of Chez Sans-Nom.
How 'bout I take care of it, since it might be easier.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by Sundial » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:29 pm

That's cool. I just try to avoid asking people for things unless I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. The whole blah blah blah radical self-reliance thing.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by GreyCoyote » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:51 pm

Easy trick to kill bleach dead: add 1 cup of sodium thiosulfate per gallon of 5% bleach and the chlorine is gone in 30 seconds or less. The resulting liquid is almost completely benign (but dont drink it unless you want the most awesome case of the runs since that Mexico trip in '84).

The above is actually a 2.5x overdose, but the stuff is so cheap there just isnt any reason not to make sure its dead. Any chemical supply house will have this. Get the cheapest grade you can find in crystal form. And yes, after treatment you can dump it down any convenient drain. The chlorine is bound into chloride. Sodium chloride, ie, common table salt.

One other thought: leave liquid bleach at home and bring powdered pool shock (calcium hypochlorite). Same effect as sodium hychlorite (bleach) but easier to pack. Six shot glasses of pool shock in a gallon of water gives you about a 5% bleach solution, and you can reuse greywater for the liquid.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by lemur » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:13 pm

plus, you can use the sodium thiosulfate soaked in a wet rag to neutralize mustard gas.

(and to 'fix' your photographic prints and film)
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by delle » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:52 pm

lemur wrote:plus, you can use the sodium thiosulfate soaked in a wet rag to neutralize mustard gas.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:17 pm

delle wrote:
lemur wrote:plus, you can use the sodium thiosulfate soaked in a wet rag to neutralize mustard gas.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by Ugly Dougly » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:39 pm

So now how do you neutralize sodium thiosulfate???

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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by lemur » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:45 pm

ive never felt the need to 'neutralize' it.

ive dumped tons of gallons of the stuff down the drain (diluted)


when i have to dispose of it.. its usually laden with silver from making prints/developing film in a wet darkroom.. so i usually toss a wad of steel wool and some aluminium foil

this causes the silver to come out of the solution.. allowing the sodium thiosulfate to be dumped..

as far as im aware it poses no real risk in itself, unless you drink it.


sodium thiosulfate is included in some shampoos/soaps.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by Sundial » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:47 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:So now how do you neutralize sodium thiosulfate???
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by Turtleburp » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:19 am

lemur wrote:ive never felt the need to 'neutralize' it.

ive dumped tons of gallons of the stuff down the drain (diluted)


when i have to dispose of it.. its usually laden with silver from making prints/developing film in a wet darkroom.. so i usually toss a wad of steel wool and some aluminium foil

this causes the silver to come out of the solution.. allowing the sodium thiosulfate to be dumped..

as far as im aware it poses no real risk in itself, unless you drink it.


sodium thiosulfate is included in some shampoos/soaps.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by lemur » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:29 am

uhh no.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by Major Krash » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:38 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:So now how do you neutralize sodium thiosulfate???
add 1 quart of 5% bleach per cup of sodium thiosulfate to neutralize it....
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by MyDearFriend » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:28 pm

Please. Chlorine bleach is routinely used to disinfect bathrooms. It is not a hazard for septic systems. Take it with you into a bathroom, pour it very slowly into a stream of running water, let it go down the drain.

Or, better yet, take it with you to the laundromat when you do your post-playa clothes washing. Give it to someone. Someone will need it.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by GreyCoyote » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:13 pm

Quick point: whatever you do, dont put the bleach down the hole in the JOTS. If they are using a formalin based septic treatment in the commodes, you may not even make it out the door. I wont bore you with the chemistry, but the simultaneous (vigorous!) evolution of formaldehyde gas and chlorine is something guaranteed to get you an expensive helicopter ride to reno, and your chances of survival are not very good.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by delle » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:25 pm

Good point there, GreyCoyote!!

Actually, regardless of whatever chemicals they're using... seems to me that even just the pee in there (ammonia) combined with bleach will create a gas that can give you major lung issues for the rest of your life.
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Re: Bleach disposal

Post by Ugly Dougly » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:56 pm

Might as well bring it back to Defaultia with you.

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