Camp Envy 2014

Whether you're a registered theme camp or not this is the place to discuss and share camp plans, find a camp to join, or recruit new campmates.
User avatar
Sandstorm
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:37 am
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: TBD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Sandstorm » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:15 pm

Professor Pickle: A week that I thought was potentially going to be a real shitty one has turned into a glorious one in which I've felt more, not less connected to the playa, the event, the community and myself. I had to cancel my burn last Friday night at about 11PM. The only reason that my proposed burn got that far was because so many lovely burners (and non-burners) stepped up to help my would-be burn however they could, be it with patience, emotional support, tactical support or money. One Burner on eplaya sent me $25 to help me try to bridge the gap in my playa budget and then 2 other burners offered to send me money. 48 hours after I canceled my burn a burner friend of mine randomly offered to loan me $500 to make it HOME. For all the sadness that I was feeling before and after I canceled my burn I can honestly say that my heart has been greatly warmed by the kindness and generosity that's been shown to me by a group of people, some of whom are friends and some of whom are strangers. Over the past couple of days I've been able to PM and chat via FB with a burner friend of mine who lives in Oz. (Note: My friend knows all about Camp Envy.) Then there's been my coming across this thread and meeting you. It's all good! This week has been very focused and emotionally healthy for me. My burner bags are all packed and ready for my next big burn. In late October I'll get to meet a burner friend of mine whom I met last winter via FB. I can honestly say that I feel that things are looking up for me. I'm grateful for that fact and there are no complaints on my end. :)

User avatar
theCryptofishist
Posts: 40316
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:28 am
Burning Since: 2017
Location: In Exile

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:33 pm

Canoe wrote:I find that the fast pans are a waste.
And just like that--whoosh! goes the French New Wave.

And the credit sequence from Hawai'i Five-O.
The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

User avatar
Canoe
Posts: 3338
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:01 pm

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Canoe » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:37 am

Canoe wrote:... Personally, I would think a regular 360 pan (or as near as practical), taking say 20 seconds to a minute, once an hour, would be rather interesting. ...
I started seeing more pans yesterday. Very nice.

One thing with viewing the web stream, the pans need to be slower so the streamed image doesn't break up. The faster the pan, the more the image is breaking up in the stream. When the pan is slow enough, little breaking up. This occurs both for live and for payback of the recordings. Often worse for the playback???
Video games are giving kids unrealistic expectations on how many swords they can carry.
.
... but don't harm the red dragon that frequents the area from time to time. He and I have an agreement.

User avatar
Captain Goddammit
Posts: 8244
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:34 am
Burning Since: 2000
Camp Name: First Camp
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Captain Goddammit » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:43 am

And Bam! Just like that, we get full pans at slow speed! Awesome.
GreyCoyote: "At this rate it wont be long before he is Admiral Fukkit."

User avatar
Canoe
Posts: 3338
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:01 pm

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Canoe » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:48 am

You can have fun with their screen shots too.
viewtopic.php?f=69&t=71645&p=1037717#p1037701

Yesterday's aerial view straight down onto the playa from the drone was very interesting to see.
Video games are giving kids unrealistic expectations on how many swords they can carry.
.
... but don't harm the red dragon that frequents the area from time to time. He and I have an agreement.

User avatar
Professor Pickle
Posts: 68
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:12 am
Burning Since: 1996
Camp Name: Desert Wizards of Mars, Tsunami
Location: CA, USA
Contact:

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Professor Pickle » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:15 pm

RE: Aerial Drone Specs

here is what I can share with you...this is the drone used in the webstream:
Image

according to the pilot (@echeng), the aerials are shot with a DJI Global Phantom 2, GoPro HERO 3+ Black and Lightbridge back to the streaming container, where it is streaming to Ustream via a Teradeck VidiU unit...

so, there is your tech porn for the day...

and from all of me to all of YOU...
Image

~P_P
"comfort the disturbed, disturb the comfortable"

Lasernerd
Posts: 1
Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:21 pm
Burning Since: 2009
Camp Name: Camp Envy

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Lasernerd » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:24 pm

Howdy Prof.Pickles.. I am here!

User avatar
Sandstorm
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:37 am
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: TBD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Sandstorm » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:14 pm

Prof. Pickles: I love how your "tech porn" photo was blurred in order to protect the identity of the UAV. ;)

User avatar
Professor Pickle
Posts: 68
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:12 am
Burning Since: 1996
Camp Name: Desert Wizards of Mars, Tsunami
Location: CA, USA
Contact:

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Professor Pickle » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:38 pm

you noticed that?...LOL...;)
"comfort the disturbed, disturb the comfortable"

User avatar
Professor Pickle
Posts: 68
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:12 am
Burning Since: 1996
Camp Name: Desert Wizards of Mars, Tsunami
Location: CA, USA
Contact:

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Professor Pickle » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:40 pm

Welcome, Lasernerd...take a look around and share your thoughts...
"comfort the disturbed, disturb the comfortable"

User avatar
Sandstorm
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:37 am
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: TBD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Sandstorm » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:14 pm

Prof. Pickle & Co.: I may not be back online tonight, so let me wish y'all a Happy Burn night! Dusty hugs!

User avatar
shroom
Posts: 1125
Joined: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:11 pm
Burning Since: 2010
Location: Georgia

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by shroom » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:50 pm

I'm a member of camp envy as well. Planning on returning next year. The last few years it just didn't work out.
"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion. You must first set yourself on fire."~~Fred Shero

User avatar
Dr. Dust
Posts: 63
Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:19 am
Burning Since: 2011
Camp Name: Re-Bar and Lounge
Location: Santa Barbara, CA

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Dr. Dust » Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:04 pm

Aloha camp mates!

This is such a cool idea Prof. Pickle! Thank you thank you thank you!!!

I was having a not-so-good day today, mostly because I'm feeling a little bit under the weather but also because of that subtle feeling that only my mates here in Camp Envy can understand. 2011 was my first burn and I proceeded to go in 2012 and 2013. However, after the most recent serial murder rampage here in my neighborhood, Isla Vista CA (look it up - it was and is horrifying), it occurred to me that I had to choose either to go to TTITD or to purchase adequate self-defense tools and instruction. I chose the latter option because I could only afford one, and that's A-ok.

Alas now feel right at home, regardless! CAMP ENVY 2014 - BRC, 'MURICA, AND BEYOND!!!!

Dr. Dust

User avatar
RedHeaven
Posts: 698
Joined: Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:00 am
Burning Since: 2005
Camp Name: Cirque Du Cliche
Location: Nevada City California

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by RedHeaven » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:02 pm

Hey Guys! I'm alone and sober and gonna watch the man burn! Oy vey! Happy Burn night!!! :mrgreen:

User avatar
Sandstorm
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:37 am
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: TBD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Sandstorm » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:45 pm

Well, I unexpectedly ended up being near a computer tonight, so I'm going to watch the man burn with Camp Envy! Happy Burn night, dusty ones! :)

RedHeaven: I'm just about 6 months into an open ended vacation from alcohol, so you're not the only sober, stranded orphan watching the man burn. :)

fireheadwhale
Posts: 93
Joined: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:15 pm
Burning Since: 2014
Camp Name: Pen is Mightier
Location: Central California
Contact:

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by fireheadwhale » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:46 pm

My wife took off for a few months to take care of some business. She calls just about every night and will be back soon. Around June I thought about Burning Man. I've always knew of it but not a lot. I had this idea I could possibly go there. I started with a google and soon became fascinated with the culture and all the online information. Shut out on the OMG sale I started looking at tickets on ebay. I was asked on these boards not to buy or even discuss marked up tickets and honored that. Just found this Camp Envy two days ago and I'm with you. I'll be looking for tickets at pre-sale next year. Hugs. No tears. Watching the webcast.

Sober, too. That may change soon.

Goodnight Mr. Sandstorm
You can apply any terms to any situation to rationalize bias or perspective.

User avatar
Bin Noddin
Posts: 3097
Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Silver Spring, MD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Bin Noddin » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:12 pm

He's raising his arms . . .
"I have gobs of mustard and ketchup on the front of my shirt, which does not make me a hot dog." Sam A. McKeen

User avatar
Sandstorm
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:37 am
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: TBD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Sandstorm » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:19 pm

fireheadwhale: Good for you for honoring the "face value" ethos of the community. Someone I met last year on the FB BM group ended up ebay-ing his ticket for this year's burn. I thought that he "got it" regarding BM; clearly I was wrong.

User avatar
Bin Noddin
Posts: 3097
Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Silver Spring, MD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Bin Noddin » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:18 pm

Still standing - wotta man!
"I have gobs of mustard and ketchup on the front of my shirt, which does not make me a hot dog." Sam A. McKeen

User avatar
Bin Noddin
Posts: 3097
Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Silver Spring, MD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Bin Noddin » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:50 pm

Stubborn ole barstid - gonna stay standing all night.
"I have gobs of mustard and ketchup on the front of my shirt, which does not make me a hot dog." Sam A. McKeen

User avatar
Bin Noddin
Posts: 3097
Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Silver Spring, MD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Bin Noddin » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:58 pm

And down he goes. Good night.
"I have gobs of mustard and ketchup on the front of my shirt, which does not make me a hot dog." Sam A. McKeen

User avatar
theCryptofishist
Posts: 40316
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:28 am
Burning Since: 2017
Location: In Exile

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by theCryptofishist » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:05 pm

Good night.
The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

User avatar
Professor Pickle
Posts: 68
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:12 am
Burning Since: 1996
Camp Name: Desert Wizards of Mars, Tsunami
Location: CA, USA
Contact:

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Professor Pickle » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:50 pm

STAYING POWER

1 hour 50 minutes to drop...WoW!!!...

I'm glad you all found this place, and have found your place amongst others in your same situations (or similar at least)...

If you posted a screencap of the burn, tag it with Camp Envy, Desert Wizards of Mars, or MRAC...

I wish to personally thank the radio crew at BMIR for being so kind to give us, Camp Envy and the MRAC a shout out...THANK YOU!!!...

RE: WEBCAM WEBSTREAM USTREAM chat room

Things to keep in mind when you're in the room:

Please don't feed the trolls...I mean, you could, but who wants trolls?...
If you're new to chat room decorum, just sit back and watch the regulars handle it...

If you use emoticons, it has a tendency to slow down the flow of content...(not sure if there is evidence to support it, but that's been my experience and perception)

If you have butthurt, let a mod know and they'll deal with it...mods are smurfed out in BLUE...

Please do not give out personally identifiable information in the chat rooms, that's what private messaging is for...

If you are bumped from the chat room, be aware of what your actions were prior to the bump as well as considering the fact that the interwebs can be glitchy at times, so, don't take it personally (unless you're intentionally out to cause trouble)...

Now, you can blow this all off and do what you want, but keep in mind that we're all here to have a good time one way or another...

NEXT UP: TEMPLE BURN...

For those unfamiliar with this ceremony, please google the interwebs as there are thousands of stories about people's personal experiences at the Temple. It;s a somber place for reflection...

after the Man falls, and the party continues throughout the night, people are burned out and rightly so...which is only one of the reasons why when the Temple burns, it calls for silence...emotions have gone through emotional roller-coasters all week...some go to the Temple to reflect, pay respects for loved ones lost and shed traumatic memories...it is a sanctuary...and we will be paying respects to a burner who lost her life on the playa earlier this week...

The Temple is a sacred place and people with real emotional trauma, loss, depression need the most support...we share these experiences in the chat and are very supportive...if you have something to share, bring it...we don't judge you here...we love you...support one another as breaking the ice to share a traumatic experience is daunting, but in an anonymous environment, it makes it a little easier...embrace them and welcome them into your heart...you may be surprised by what you discover about each other and may come out richer for it...<3
"comfort the disturbed, disturb the comfortable"

User avatar
Professor Pickle
Posts: 68
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:12 am
Burning Since: 1996
Camp Name: Desert Wizards of Mars, Tsunami
Location: CA, USA
Contact:

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Professor Pickle » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:56 am

Did you have problems watching the video stream of the man burn?

So did I...but, rather than "flame" the camera guys, I just wanted to lay out some background so you can start to understand some of the challenges faced on the playa...

My 2¢

One of the things to keep in mind is that the former broadcaster had it dialed in with his own equipment after over 10 years of working the event...that's a long time to work out the bugs, especially when you're volunteering ALL of your time to do it to serve the default world viewers instead of seeing the playa art, partying, or doing the other thousands of things people go to BM to do...

I remember when it was on a tiny window and was streamed over apple quicktime media...only later in the game was there was a time when the former operator was sending golf carts with big eyeball cameras out to the playa to do interviews and get up close and personal to the conclave and burn...he even developed a camera blurring system to protect the privacy of some of the participants to reduce the chances of visible nudity on a public broadcast...(more on that later)

As I understand it, when he left, he took his equipment, all of his knowledge, all of his experience with him...so we had to start at square one...Camp Envy began during the best years of his volunteer service...over the years, we have come to expect that level of high quality broadcast...

Yes, if they had only have a single shot camera, that would be the end of it...it would still be tricky to maintain and operate though...

The thing that sets the MRAC apart from other people doing broadcasts there, is that 1) the MRAC team has the ambition to actually make it happen, 2) no one else wants to take their expensive broadcast equipment out to the dusty playa, 3) until the BMORG ponies up a budget to acquire high quality broadcast equipment, we are left to do fundraisers and make do with what we got, 4) few people are willing to do the amount of work required to pull a broadcast like this off in that environment for free, and lastly, the MRAC want to bring you closer to the action that we've gotten used to over the years...

As an entertainment professional in the default world, I can tell you from experience, that even though you may have a very expensive wireless microphone system, if that 9 volt battery is put in backwards or dies, the show is over...Air gaps, in cables are frequent...Dust, corrosion, abrasion, lack of shielding, severed or overheated cables, unstable antenna masts, art car obstructions, wind damage, dust storms, and rain, are just a SHORT list of the things that can go wrong and ruin the production...if you think it's easy, try it for yourself...

Big art cars have big challenges...but know that they are trying to bring a piece of that remote desert to the comfort of your dwelling...

This doesn't even begin to explain the challenges of flying an aerial drone in that kind of environment, with live HD video streaming...

Yes, it was distracting having the camera feed blank out from time to time...but, I enjoy the chat rooms during that dark time...know that when the camera is dark, people on playa are scrambling to fix technical issues to help bring it back...they just make it look easy...

Maybe Ustream is unable to provide the type of service we expect...I had my machine crash several times because of shockwave flash issues...at any rate, we learn as we go...

motorbikematt, MarcR, echeng, George, Michael, Gerard, RonJon, the Admiral, and others MADE IT HAPPEN for us...and deserve nothing less than our respect...

Image
"comfort the disturbed, disturb the comfortable"

User avatar
gypsy68
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:40 pm
Burning Since: 2004
Location: Portland, OR

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by gypsy68 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:54 am

I just want say a big thank you to the whole team that puts the live cast on.

It really bugs me when people bitch about the live cast. I feel we are lucky that a group of people want to take the time out of their burn to let us at camp envy have a peak of what is going on out on the playa.

So again, a BIG THANK YOU!

User avatar
Sandstorm
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:37 am
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: TBD

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Sandstorm » Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:12 pm

Prof. Pickle: Thanks for your posts that went into the background and technical details of the live video streams of the burn. I've done A / V work and live event production for many years and thus I have a great appreciation for the work that goes into making the stream of the burn a reality. Honestly, last night I was blown away by the fact that there were 3 separate video feeds being displayed withing the stream. While that's something easy to do in the default world it sure as hell ain't as easy to do in a hostile environment like the playa.

Dusty hugs to the entire team behind the stream and to BMIR. You all ROCK!

tummler
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:48 am

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by tummler » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:13 pm

The feed was fabulous. Occasionally off-air, occasionally glitchy, which I actually didn't mind, and often just enviable.

Thanks to all involved.

User avatar
delle
Posts: 1984
Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:13 am

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by delle » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:24 pm

So grateful here, to all of you who helped make this week memorable, bringing us closer to the love and the loved ones we know are out there living the dream!

I've so enjoyed watching the streaming, and listening to BMIR - getting my fix. THANK YOU to everyone who worked so hard to include us. :-)
Worry is a misuse of imagination

She had blue skin, And so did he.
He kept it hid And so did she.
They searched for blue Their whole life through,
Then passed right by- And never knew.”

Shel Silverstein

User avatar
shroom
Posts: 1125
Joined: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:11 pm
Burning Since: 2010
Location: Georgia

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by shroom » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:46 am

I enjoyed the live feed this year, it was on almost everytime I checked. Love seeing people on eplaya when I was lonely and I didn't notice the annual spammers! woo hoo!

I attended dragon con in Atlanta with my kid this weekend so I was busy or I would have been glues to my computer screen.

Here's to going in a year!
"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion. You must first set yourself on fire."~~Fred Shero

User avatar
Professor Pickle
Posts: 68
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:12 am
Burning Since: 1996
Camp Name: Desert Wizards of Mars, Tsunami
Location: CA, USA
Contact:

Re: Camp Envy 2014

Post by Professor Pickle » Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:00 am

That's a Wrap!!!...

Thank you for joining us on our adventure...and spread the word about our little group...

Continue this good feeling and connect locally with regional decoms, burnal equinoxes, precoms, and such...

Remember, it was better next year...

~ P_P

Image
"comfort the disturbed, disturb the comfortable"

Locked

Return to “2014 Theme Camps”