Regis Debray wrote:This isn't about money, and the organization has a board of directors now and is holding itself out as a 501(c)(3) already.
Roberto Dobbisano wrote:LIKE A MAN
um, thats kinda sexist.
Regis Debray wrote:This isn't about money, and the organization has a board of directors now and is holding itself out as a 501(c)(3) already. The inference that BMORG is making is that the vehicle ticket will ease the traffic. The traffic isn't the problem. The problem is, among other things, the chokepoint at the gate where members of our camp were held for 2 hours and longer for no reason. In other words, the current iteration of traffic control is worse than it ever has been. The solution, with respect, is not "go or don't go." I think the money is being collected by means of misrepresentation of what is going to be done with it. That irks me. Does anyone know how many vehicles were on the Playa in 2012 or 2013?
remi wrote:Just drove right in, through the searches and right to the greeters in about 5-10 minutes.
Eric wrote:remi wrote:Just drove right in, through the searches and right to the greeters in about 5-10 minutes.
Just how fast were you driving? There is no way to get from the road, through Gate & to Greeters in 5-10 minutes at 5mph. Hell, it takes at least that long on an empty Gate road to get from the 447 to Gate, and it probably takes Gate at least that long to search a vehicle. In 2011 we left during the Man Burn and it took us a minimum of 30-40 minutes to hit the pavement, and that was with almost no traffic, no merging, little dust, no problems.
trilobyte wrote:@remi - I agree, better packing could probably reduce the time it take to go through peoples' vehicles. Sometime this summer I want to start up a thread with tips for getting through the line in less time - when I do, please feel free to chime in with that.
trilobyte wrote:@Regis - I disagree that traffic management at the gate is worse than it ever has been. I'd argue that it's been better than ever in the last couple years, when they instituted the apex. Thankfully now it doesn't matter what lane a car is in, no last minute backups and fuckups because someone realized one of the passengers has a ticket at will call. The big chokepoints are still the same... volume (everybody trying to get there or leave at the same time) and weather conditions (if there's a serious dust-up, or if it rains, all traffic has to stop til it clears. As for the number of vehicles, I believe it was under 35K in both years. The vehicle passes themselves don't ease traffic - it's more of a means for Burning Man to get its arms around the number of vehicles coming to Black Rock City (speaking personally, I suspect that's something that it needs to do as it looks towards the future). Where vehicle passes have the capacity to help ease traffic is that they raise awareness and incentivize rideshares and carpools and mass transportation. Because of the size of the city, even small changes and improvements could mean thousands fewer vehicles.
Mojojita wrote:There are several very good reasons that Gate closes temporarily from time to time. Just because your campmates didn't know the reason does not mean there isn't one. It can be perfectly clear at gate and be raining at greeter's. The gate closes if a child is reported to be lost. There are times that cars are held until visibility is good enough to drive safely. You did not say, however, if the gate was temporarily closed or if just that vehicle was held for 2 hours. There are many other reasons a single vehicle could be delayed.
I agree with Trilo in that I saw a very consistent and predictable flow of traffic this year coming from gate into the greeter's station. The length of time it takes to get in really is all about the number of vehicles trying to get in at the same time. All have just gone from doing 65mph or so to 5mph once on the playa. I have been really impressed with the redesign of gate road to handle the number of vehicles it does now. The huge number of lanes and the addition of all the big sweeping s turns gets a huge number of cars off of the highway and onto the playa.
PlayaPatrol wrote:Sorry, it never is clear less then one mile from rain. Thats a myth. Children lost are their parents responsibility. Not 70,000 others with nothing to do with their neglect.
PlayaPatrol wrote:Sorry, it never is clear less then one mile from rain. Thats a myth.
PlayaPatrol wrote:Children lost are their parents responsibility. Not 70,000 others with nothing to do with their neglect.
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