Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

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Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:22 pm

So, it looks like vehicle passes are rather available now.
Do you think it "means" anything? Did people overbuy and horde and are now paying the price? Will things be different? Or only because they are going to offer fewer in proportion?
Just curious.
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby VultureChow » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:32 pm

$40 was too low an amount to discourage hoarding. Also it was a new wrinkle in the ticket equation and at $40 I would guess some bought the max allowable "just in case" assuming they could sell the extras or just eat the $40 cost.
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby maladroit » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:37 pm

I believe that it has zero positive or negative effect on the event itself.

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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby forty_eight » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:45 pm

Maybe we'll see something once entry/exodus plays itself out.

I'm not even sure how they'll measure the impact with changes to gate opening time and extended length of stay on-playa.

At the least, they may be able to determine if there are fewer vehicles on the site year-over-year?

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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:46 pm

They already count how many vehicles there are on playa. This is supposed to cut down on them, maybe not this year, but over time.
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby forty_eight » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:56 pm

Yep, I think it will take more than one year to determine any behavioral impact.

If we can get fewer cars going to and from, we can get a higher population on the permit.

Maybe?

Maybe a good thing, maybe a bad thing?

INB4 this is all to sell more tickets to PnPers and line the BMORG's pockets, lol.

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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby BBadger » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:05 pm

We'll see what the stats show, but I think it at least got people trying to consolidate their rides.
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby BoyScoutGirl » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:54 pm

I sure hope we get to see some stats, but the track record for that suggests we won't, unfortunately.
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:19 pm

True. Expect it to be all anecdotal. With maybe a summary in the afterburn report.
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby BoyScoutGirl » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:21 pm

Yes, there is the afterburn report, and whatever speculating can be done when 2015's ticket information is released.

I think this is an interesting topic; I was just noticing the same trend when you posted. I'd like to read more discussion on it.
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:35 pm

Well, one thing about burners. We can make up shit on three misunderstood pieces of data like nobody's business.
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby gyre » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:18 am

Everyone was already trying to consolidate rides.
Travel costs do that.
All they can do is discourage some people from going at all.

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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby FestieMike » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:29 pm

In reality I think its all a money grab,,Music festivals started this years ago to generate extra cash under the disalution of energyy savings,,Ive worked parking crews for over a decade at festivals and have seen little to no impact on the amount of cars that still arrive,,If it was for road ease of traffic it should have been higher in price and more limited (1 per pair of tickets on same order,, one per order),,and could have done time framed admission with car passes having a sunday or monday entry,,
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby forty_eight » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:20 pm

money grab: 1
gift to PnPers: 0

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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby Captain Goddammit » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:33 pm

Being pissed about the absolute bullshit stories told by the Org about why we need vehicle passes was one of the factors that figured into my sitting this year out.
It's absolute, 100% bull-fucking-shit.
I don't care about the goddamm $40. Hell, bump the tickets up another $100. I don't care. But adding another annoying cumbersome piece of red tape, and making the ridiculous claims they made, that annoyed me.

The mods are gone, I can say it now! The vehicle pass program is a bullshit show to collect money while putting on a fake public appearance of doing something to lessen the impact of traffic.
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Re: Vehicle Passes: Lessons Learned?

Postby forty_eight » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:43 pm

48_love wrote:money grab: 2
gift to PnPers: 0


and we're off, lol


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