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2015 Map and Street Names

Post by BoyScoutGirl » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:16 pm

Official release here:
http://burningman.org/event/black-rock- ... -city-map/

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Biggest change seems to be the addition of new medical stations:

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Post by Jovankat » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:41 pm

I'm crossing my fingers for Ballyhoo! :mrgreen:

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Post by Bless » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:58 pm

Kudos to the new medic post near the Temple.
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Post by Molotov » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:36 pm

I don't represent the medical folks but what I have gathered is that mobile ESD medic units and fire vehicles will be based out of ESD stations 3 and 9. Full size ambulances will be based at CrowdRx operated Rampart care center. The three new medical stations including the one by the Temple will be "collecting" points with triage, minor treatment, and holding areas awaiting patient transport to Stations 3, 9, or Rampart as needed.

BTW-a Black Rock Ranger station will be co-located with medical at the new Temple station.

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Re: 2015 Map and Street Names

Post by VultureChow » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:57 am

I agree. I think that new Temple outpost is a great idea. Also, kinda hoping for an Ersatz address. I just like the word.
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Post by FIGJAM » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:11 am

Is it just me or are placed camps getting more real estate each year?
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Post by Ratty » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:25 am

Yes figgy. It appears they are getting more of the close-in spaces every year. Last year I set up on H. And I get there several days early.
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Post by danibel » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:26 am

FIGJAM wrote:Is it just me or are placed camps getting more real estate each year?
Yep. Looks like open camping is definitely shrinking. Also note that the lines are very fuzzy on the borders.

Is it really a true that after the gates open, I can camp anywhere? Even in designated placed theme camp space? (the purplish color places on the map)
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Post by Token » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:49 am

Oh fuck, no where to camp!

Wow.

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Post by Eric » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:29 am

danibel wrote:Is it really a true that after the gates open, I can camp anywhere? Even in designated placed theme camp space? (the purplish color places on the map)
This thread discussed that a bit a few years ago - basically, yes, as long as a theme camp isn't actually setting up there. If it's abandoned space (the camp never showed up), it's open. Just make sure it's not someone's fire-road, and make sure to ask around before setting up!
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Post by rideincircles » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:06 pm

Is the orange pentagram the outside border of the festival, or does this mainly show the layout of the city and deep playa goes further out? What are the actual widths or acres of the city if that info is easily available?

Based on the scale of an 11 x 17 print I have, the inner circle at roughly 4900 ft diameter, and the outer circle at 11090 ft diameter, but these are just rough estimates. When I went to Glastonbury it was over 2 miles across in some areas with a total of 1100 acres. Bonnaroo is about 700 acres to my knowledge. I thought I read the circle was a 1.5 mile radius somewhere, but this only seems like a mile radius.

Just curious. I am sure my mind will be blown at the scale when I arrive. I have no clue where to camp yet, but may want to avoid some of the direct wind.

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Post by asr9754 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:18 pm

@RinC--the orange border is the trash fence, EG, the boundary of city, you can't go past it. I think it's about 1/5 miles from the Man to the trash fence in any direction. The populated streets are a sub-portion of this. You can look at Black Rock City, Nevada in Google Earth and find a good aerial photo of previous years with more detail. There is no avoiding direct wind! The outer streets and the southwest edge of the city may get the worst of the prevailing winds, but the whole damn town can get windy at some point, as the winds are unpredictable and erratic.

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Post by Jovankat » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:19 pm

Ratty wrote:Yes figgy. It appears they are getting more of the close-in spaces every year. Last year I set up on H. And I get there several days early.
Isn't there a rule that if you're in the city early but don't have placement you're not allowed to set up closer than G anyway?

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Post by FIGJAM » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:02 pm

I think I read somewhere that there were 200 miles of streets and 7 square miles inside the trash fence.

I could be wrong, but I'm not uncertain! :lol:

Grey Coyote says: 4400 acres = 6.875 sq miles inside the fence.
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Post by Ratty » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:35 pm

Yes, and G street was blue flags on one side and DPW on the other. It's the price I pay for early entry.
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Post by MyDearFriend » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:47 am

Eric wrote:
danibel wrote:Is it really a true that after the gates open, I can camp anywhere? Even in designated placed theme camp space? (the purplish color places on the map)
This thread discussed that a bit a few years ago - basically, yes, as long as a theme camp isn't actually setting up there. If it's abandoned space (the camp never showed up), it's open. Just make sure it's not someone's fire-road, and make sure to ask around before setting up!
Not arguing with you Eric but, please note: you are not allowed to drive into a half-occupied purple space on Sunday night and set up camp. NOT! If there is anyone who thinks otherwise, we can have it out right now. I lay out a big double-block Village (approx 450 x 450 feet) and try my damnedest to spread our early entry folks evenly around but the land-rush is just crazy. We really do need our whole Village, Placement gives us that space for our programming and we will politely or not-so-politely escort you to the street if your name is not on my list, no matter how deep your stakes are set before we find you. Just don't do it.
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Post by lucky420 » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:22 pm

I love you^^^. and can't wait to help layout the village again
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Post by trilobyte » Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:26 pm

MDF, it sounds as if you may be confused. You're talking about a village whose placed space has been claimed. Even if all the camps in that village have not arrived, the village has been placed and that space is reserved for them. Unclaimed space is just that, nobody from that group has arrived and been placed in the spot. Eric's response was sound, especially the bit about asking around before setting up (I think the overwhelming majority of land or border disputes with people setting up camps could easily be avoided if people asked around before setting up).

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Post by Elliot » Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:40 pm

Right. The pentagon is the border of the event itself, with the orange trash fence, patrolled by the Perimeter folks. This fence is not to be crossed in either direction. Last year I measured one side of the pentagon at 1.8 miles, which matches the DPW-reported roughly 9 miles of fence. That computes to 5.57 square miles. Toss in some space from the Gate in to Greeters (which are right at the fence), and the Airport space, and you might reach 6.5 or 7 square miles.

Be advised.... There is a much larger "no man's land" outside the pentagon, know as the Closure Zone -- as in that area being closed to the general public. This is the true area of the event, so far as BLM goes. Nobody is allowed in that zone without an event ticket or other credential. Perimeter patrols intercept any vehicle or person entering that Closure Zone.

I just wanted to get that said and out of the way for this year. (I am not speaking/writing in any official capacity -- just telling you what I have learned.)
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Post by Ratty » Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:11 pm

They used to save 'close in' space for random campers arriving after the gates open. It was a noble idea that didn't pan out. It was all sucked up the second the gates opened by camps that came in early. It really doesn't matter where you camp. It's all magic dust no matter where you lay your head.
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Post by Jovankat » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:09 pm

trilobyte wrote:I think the overwhelming majority of land or border disputes with people setting up camps could easily be avoided if people asked around before setting up.
Also it's not just about pissing already set up camps off, you can avoid headaches for yourself by having a chat first too. You may end up finding out that the camp plans of playing your least favourite kind of music or that on just the other side of that shade cloth right near where you were going to pitch your tent is the camp's generator...

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Post by tamarakay » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:35 pm

Our sub camp of MDF's village had a courtyard area in the center of our space. We purposefully planned that space to be open and used it on dye day for drying space and to use in the evenings with a fire ring and also our burn barrel clearance. I had to chase off several people from setting up in there. Only one got nasty about it. We also had a ten foot set back from the road all around the village (which was brilliant, allowed for visitor's bike parking, and assorted shenanigans). We had a couple people try to set up camp there too. One said he would log a complaint about me to BM for space abuse or something. I told him to add mooning to the charge and promptly showed him my ass. That earned me a cold beverage and a hug so we did part friends.

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Post by maladroit » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:55 pm

I think I've told the story in here before, where drove down to Reno on Tuesday to pick someone up from the airport, and came back to find my utility trailer pulled out into the street. Neighbors said someone had told them it was a preplanned thing, they were heading back to their RV to park it in the space formerly occupied by my utility trailer and temporarily absent car. Needless to say...that did not happen. If it had, I wonder if my tow strap and 7500 pound hitch are stronger than an RV's parking brake.

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Post by Jovankat » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:42 am

tamarakay wrote:I told him to add mooning to the charge and promptly showed him my ass. That earned me a cold beverage and a hug so we did part friends.

The rule of unclaimed versus claimed is not understood by very many people.
TK that story is FANTASTIC!

I had an issue last year with our neighbouring theme camp trying to build their evap pond on the access way we'd left for people arriving after gate opened to be able to park their cars at the back of our space and for RVs to get out to the street for pumping. They kept sending different members of the camp over to ask in different ways and to give different stories about why they needed the extra space. What it boiled down to though was they'd had more people join the camp then they'd been planning on when they did their application and they hadn't updated placement about that. In the end though our neighbours on the other side had left a driveway for the same reasons and we used that because the ground was more solid there. That did mean though when the first neighbours eventually encroached into our area it was just their tents not the evap pond which was lucky because it leaked!

Also DON'T MOVE THE FLAGS some of our flags had been moved by the camp behind us when we arrived. We chatted about it and I was fine with letting them have that space as it wasn't a huge amount and it just meant a reconfiguration of how we parked the cars but placement were PISSED about it.

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Post by Elliot » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:48 am

Also, it seems there will be more emphasis on Fire Lanes this year. Large camps may need a Fire Lane right thru camp, but often the Fire Lane requirement can probably be satisfied by running the lane along the border between camps, so each camp only needs to cede half a lane of space. Fire Lanes will probably need both signage and vigilance to keep them open.
(And I think Fire Lanes are a very welcome feature.)
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Post by Molotov » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:17 am

Elliot,

Running the fire lanes along the edges of the camps makes sense, except for the largest camps that might need one midway. The fire lane on the edge provides easy camp access, gives folks a way to cut through from one street to another without going through a camp, and serves as a buffer to reduce friction between adjacent camps and their participants. The trick is keeping it clear. Perhaps a row of orange cones on each end of the fire lane that could easily be moved by emergency responders to gain access?

Placement should just go ahead and design in these lanes between camps as part of the allocation.

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Post by Elliot » Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:25 pm

The trouble with orange cones is the ugliness of them -- the glaring violation of visual esthetics.
The trash fence is bad enough. If it were my decision to make, the trash fence would be a discreet earth-tone. (But I do understand the safety aspect of orange -- after all, I'm out there patrolling that fence in all kinds of weather.)

Agreed. And... I suggested to Placement a couple months ago -- during the (real or imagined) 30' fire lane brouhaha -- that they incorporate fire lanes across the blocks every 300 feet. That would allow first responders to know in advance how the access would be laid out, anywhere in the city.
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Post by Molotov » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:47 pm

I think a fire lane every 300 feet of street frontage would provide reasonable access without usurping valuable theme camp territory. That lane would provide a fire break between combustible structures and give ESD Fire and their fire contractor at least some chance to get ahead of a wind-driven conflagration in our little shanty town. (That's the scenario that keeps me awake some nights)

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Geometrically they would almost be like radial pseudo-streets and what is 300 feet apart on A Street is going to be a long way apart on K Street. (Unless they measure the 300 foot separation on the farthest street and angle them in parallel to the real streets-which would make a lot of fire lanes on A-B-C-D streets)

30 feet of clear playa is just a little too attractive for illegal parking, camping, and transit; so keeping them clear would be problematic-but the width is definitely appropriate.

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Post by Elliot » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:43 pm

Yes, like back alleys in cities. And when they are all alike, with identical official signage, enforcement against parking would be easier, methinks.
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