What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

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What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

Post by reader2580 » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:21 pm

Burning Man has reduced the total number of vehicle passes by over 20% for 2015. What happens if you get tickets, but can't get a vehicle pass? Do you just end up having to sell your tickets because you can't go?

The general sale has 40,000 tickets, but only 12,000 vehicle passes. Assuming most will buy the maximum of two tickets that means each ticket buyer only has a 50% chance of getting a vehicle pass.

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Re: What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

Post by lucky420 » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:17 pm

Last year you could purchase vp in the OMG sale and there's always craigslist, regional contacts and people you meet here.
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Post by EspressoDude » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:38 pm

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Re: What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

Post by reader2580 » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:07 pm

It seems at some point that vehicle passes will be even more valuable than the entry tickets as the number of vehicle passes are reduced. My fear is you won't be able to find a vehicle pass at any price.

With 27,000 vehicle passes they expect each vehicle to average about 2.6 people per vehicle if they sell 70,000 tickets. For the general sale they are only offering 12,000 vehicle passes so they expect each vehicle to have 3 1/3 people on average. That seems like a lot based on what I read here.

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Post by FIGJAM » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:41 pm

There will be a lot of burner express busses.

That will bring the average down.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:31 pm

Remember, the number of passes on offer is not less than the number of passes used this year. I think that people who ended up paying $40 for nothing will be less willing to do so again. I think they should have provided more wiggle room, but I don't think there's any reason to panic about scarcity now.
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Post by Bless » Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:34 am

reader2580 wrote:What happens if you get tickets, but can't get a vehicle pass?
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Post by Captain Goddammit » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:01 am

You gotta think like a racer... take full advantage of the wording of the rules.
It says towed vehicles don't need a pass... So if you have two vehicles in your group and only one pass, rent a tow dolly, and just before the gate put one on the dolly and pull it in!
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Post by Ratty » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:15 am

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Post by DrYes » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:44 am

Well, last you you could reportedly just show up without a vehicle pass and they'd sell you one on arrival.

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Post by Elderberry » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:53 am

DrYes wrote:Well, last you you could reportedly just show up without a vehicle pass and they'd sell you one on arrival.
Haven't heard that report, but if true, it might not apply this year as there are a whole lot less passes available this year.
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Re: What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

Post by reader2580 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:24 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Remember, the number of passes on offer is not less than the number of passes used this year. I think that people who ended up paying $40 for nothing will be less willing to do so again. I think they should have provided more wiggle room, but I don't think there's any reason to panic about scarcity now.
Are you saying that only 27,000 of the 35,000 vehicle passes available last year actually got used? I know the organizers want more people to use the buses, but you're really limited on what you can bring on the bus.

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Post by Captain Goddammit » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:19 pm

That's pretty much the deal. More passes were sold than ever got used.
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Post by Bless » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:56 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:That's pretty much the deal. More passes were sold than ever got used.
Several people in my camp, including myself, purchased vehicle passes but did not use them.
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Re: What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

Post by Patsh » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:11 pm

I'll be entering with all my camping stuff in my little car, plus that of two others who will be on the Burner Express, their food and water included. Though I'm only one person in the car, it's all we need for three. So, I'll ignore the sneers from those who think I'm being greedy with my vehicle pass... I have an ulterior motive here! :mrgreen:
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Re: What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

Post by maladroit » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:42 pm

No one should be judging you for only having one person in your car. A small car's worth of stuff is merely a well-prepared camp without any major structures, let alone room for art or other non-survival objects. The idea that we should always have three people per car is total BS. Participation, art, and contribution often requires craploads of stuff. Putting a social stigma on solo drivers means that solo artists are discouraged and large established camps with resources for big transportation are encouraged.

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Re: What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

Post by jewelzontheplaya » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:47 pm

Last year I brought two burgins who needed to get tickets from the will call, which was pure hell for me since I had my ticket. During our 3 hour wait in the hot sun there were people everywhere trying to sell vehicle passes. I didn't need one but if I did, now I know where to start . . . . will call waiting area.
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Post by Dr. Pyro » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:45 pm

I was there with you Jewelz. I swear, this year if you have to go thru will call, find your own ride, preferably with someone in the same boat. Goddamn gay Belgians, learn to drive a car, get a rental, and be radically self-reliant. Don't expect some old bald Jew to schelp everything for you from here on out. But I digress.

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Re: What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

Post by caro. » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:57 pm

i say we all chain our vehicles together into one long train and roll in with one vehicle pass for all! :wink:
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Re: What happens if you get tickets and no vehicle pass?

Post by Captain Goddammit » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:26 pm

You know, if I had a friend who couldn't get a vehicle pass, I could buy an in/out pass, drive back out in my truck and empty trailer after unloading the M/V, and carry them back in!
If you were really hard up for a pass, you could rent a car trailer from You-Howl, pull it behind you empty, then put your vehicle up on it and then beg/bribe a tow through the gate.
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