Alternative Camping Solution

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kimbersykes
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Alternative Camping Solution

Post by kimbersykes » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:36 am

Aghast at the prices of the no bake tent and the shiftpod for our camp we decided to bite the bullet and with a team of volunteer product designers we produced our own tents for the burn.

We had a minimum order quantity so ordered many spares which were snapped up by our neighbors and friends. In the spirit of sharing we are considering placing another order this year to share the love.

Ignore the price quoted on the website (due to further interest a camp mate is selling them in Australia and the shipping and import duties are extremely high there) the total cost price works out at USD 500 each for burners, with collection from Reno.

Check them out here https://ozspaceyurts.com/

If you are interested or want more details please get in touch.
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Re: Alternative Camping Solution

Post by Popeye » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:57 pm

Your site doesn't say a lot, the price seems comparitively reasonable.

What materials is the tent made from?
What about the supports?
R value?
Spare parts?
Warranty?
Is support available in the US?

I don't want to nit pick but if you intend to sell these in the US these are all questions the average buyer will ask.
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Re: Alternative Camping Solution

Post by Canoe » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:16 am

  • Need a floor plan drawing. Show metric and imperial.
  • What materials are fire proof?
  • Size of the glory hole?
  • Are the seams sealed (wind/dust/hot air)?
  • How robust are the tie-down attachments? (sewn to the material, or loop back around the fixture that takes the poles, or what?)
  • Tent-peg attachment points at each corner of the floor? Are they suitable for use with lag-bolts?
Looks like you could mist it with an aluminum pigment paint from a spray-can, for some radiant heat protection.

If you're running a swamp-cooler,
- 4" opening offers decent airflow, but 5" allows full output of the basic bucket swamp-cooler. The draw string can secure the vent/duct.
- Having a second glory hole to let air out means you don't have to have a wind/vent nor a door opened enough to let the air flow out. A second glory hole that can be dedicated to this makes it a lot more robust against a strong gust of wind blowing air through your exhaust and into the tent, as you can put a 90 tube on it facing down for the exhaust.
- Would be easy to hang a light duct to the peak and run that to a glory hole exhaust.
- Looks like you have to add more mods to use one of the box swamp-coolers.
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Re: Alternative Camping Solution

Post by kimbersykes » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:16 am

Popeye wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:57 pm
Your site doesn't say a lot, the price seems comparatively reasonable.

What materials is the tent made from?
What about the supports?
R value?
Spare parts?
Warranty?
Is support available in the US?

I don't want to nit pick but if you intend to sell these in the US these are all questions the average buyer will ask.
Hi Popeye,

Thank you for your questions. My responses below:

What materials is the tent made from? - The tent is made from 300D Oxford Waterproof Tent Fabric (100% Polyester, Waterproof, PU 2000MM)
What about the supports? - The supports are all made from fiberglass
R value? No information available
Spare parts? - Not currently
Warranty? - Not currently
Is support available in the US? - Not currently

N.B. The tents were designed to support our own BM camp. We had a surplus due to the minimum order quantity and found our neighbours and friends on playa wanted to purchase our excess so we thought we would extend that to the wider BM community. We are not looking to start a business merely offer this solution to other camps or individuals looking to solve their accommodation needs with a trusty tent that worked really well for us last year, we had 24 tents under a SilviShade (cost effective Aluminet competitor) EMT pole shade structure.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Kind regards,

Kimber
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Re: Alternative Camping Solution

Post by kimbersykes » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:13 am

Canoe wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:16 am
  • Need a floor plan drawing. Show metric and imperial.
  • What materials are fire proof?
  • Size of the glory hole?
  • Are the seams sealed (wind/dust/hot air)?
  • How robust are the tie-down attachments? (sewn to the material, or loop back around the fixture that takes the poles, or what?)
  • Tent-peg attachment points at each corner of the floor? Are they suitable for use with lag-bolts?
Looks like you could mist it with an aluminum pigment paint from a spray-can, for some radiant heat protection.

If you're running a swamp-cooler,
- 4" opening offers decent airflow, but 5" allows full output of the basic bucket swamp-cooler. The draw string can secure the vent/duct.
- Having a second glory hole to let air out means you don't have to have a wind/vent nor a door opened enough to let the air flow out. A second glory hole that can be dedicated to this makes it a lot more robust against a strong gust of wind blowing air through your exhaust and into the tent, as you can put a 90 tube on it facing down for the exhaust.
- Would be easy to hang a light duct to the peak and run that to a glory hole exhaust.
- Looks like you have to add more mods to use one of the box swamp-coolers.
Hi Canoe,

Many thanks for your questions. Responses below:
  • Need a floor plan drawing. Show metric and imperial. - Metric Dimensions & Imperial Dimensions
  • What materials are fire proof? - The walls are Oxford 300D and the floor Oxford 420D.
  • Size of the glory hole? - 4"
  • Are the seams sealed (wind/dust/hot air)? - Sewn and not sealed. We had no issues with wind or dust in 2019 (other than the dust brought into the tent ourselves).
  • How robust are the tie-down attachments? (sewn to the material, or loop back around the fixture that takes the poles, or what?) - There are two anchoring positions. Firstly on the outside of the walls in the center which is a metal O bolt connected through the fabric to the fiberglass supports. Secondly at each corner of the tent there is webbing sewn to the Oxford 420D flooring fabric with a D ring.
  • Tent-peg attachment points at each corner of the floor? Are they suitable for use with lag-bolts? - Yes we secured all anchoring positions with lag screws in 2019 using a small carabiner. It was our first year using lag screws instead of rebar and I can safely say we will never look back.
Regarding the swamp coolers we produced a slight variation of FIGJAMs Swamp Cooler with a higher capacity fan. We filtered cooler water and shower water through a large gravel, sand and activated charcoal filter and added lavender oil to put to aid in our grey water evaporation which worked well. The airflow was suitable but we were thinking to add another fan to the tent side of the 4" duct this year. All the coolers were powered by independent 60W solar panels (mounted above the shade structure which charged USB devices, powered 12v fairy lights and the swamp coolers from a 18Ah battery with no outages.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Kind regards,

Kimber
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Re: Alternative Camping Solution

Post by Canoe » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:28 am

kimbersykes wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:13 am
Hi Canoe,
Many thanks for your questions. Responses below:
  • The walls are Oxford 300D and the floor Oxford 420D.
  • Size of the glory hole? - 4"
  • Sewn and not sealed. We had no issues with wind or dust in 2019 (other than the dust brought into the tent ourselves).
  • There are two anchoring positions. Firstly on the outside of the walls in the center which is a metal O bolt connected through the fabric to the fiberglass supports. Secondly at each corner of the tent there is webbing sewn to the Oxford 420D flooring fabric with a D ring.
  • Yes we secured all anchoring positions with lag screws in 2019 using a small carabiner. It was our first year using lag screws instead of rebar and I can safely say we will never look back.
Regarding the swamp coolers we produced a slight variation of FIGJAMs Swamp Cooler with a higher capacity fan. We filtered cooler water and shower water through a large gravel, sand and activated charcoal filter and added lavender oil to put to aid in our grey water evaporation which worked well. The airflow was suitable but we were thinking to add another fan to the tent side of the 4" duct this year. All the coolers were powered by independent 60W solar panels (mounted above the shade structure which charged USB devices, powered 12v fairy lights and the swamp coolers from a 18Ah battery with no outages.
Sealed seams on tents has been a thing for four decades. Not sealed is not a sign of quality. While the swamp-cooler is running, the positive pressure inside the tent will also be leaking out those holes, keeping hot dusty air from entering that way, unless the wind is really blowing.

Swamp Cooler
You say you used a "higher capacity fan". More static pressure or more CFM at the specified static pressure? If you haven't got sufficient static pressure, that could explain why you feel you need to add another fan on the tent side of the 4" duct.
Also, depending on the length of ducting from the swamp-cooler to inside the tent, 4" doesn't let the specified fan provide it's full CFM. For that you need 5". Same for your "higher capacity fan", assuming it is capable of developing the static pressure necessary to pull the air through the swamp-cooler.

You go from "higher capacity fan" into how you process or grey water, to enhancing swamp-cooler airflow into the tent. Does this mean that you filtered cooler & shower water and put it in your swamp-cooler?
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