Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

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Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

Post by spacetime » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:47 am

I am looking for guidance on how much of funding to request in my art Honoraria request versus the total budget of the piece.

For example, if your budget is $5000, would it be appropriate to ask for up to 80% of that cost to be covered by the grant? If not, what kind of range would be seen as reasonable?

Does it change based on the overall cost of the art, your pedigree at the event or other factors?

This is my first time submitting an honoraria and my first attempt to lead an art project for a burn.

I presume any additional funds come from out of pocket, crowd or community funding or some kind of other patron.

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Re: Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

Post by Ratty » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:47 am

Hi. Consider that the project will cost more than you anticipate. The grant is meant to be 'seed' money to get you started. If you have means, or think you can scrounge up some money on your own then ask for half. That's just my uninformed opinion.
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Re: Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

Post by spacetime » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:50 am

Okay. I substantially scaled down my previous design, and am building in a fair amount of buffer. I'm tempted to ask for more than half though, as the overall cost is not that high and I think still a solid impact.

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Post by Popeye » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:37 am

When I see:
spacetime wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:50 am
I substantially scaled down my previous design, and am building in a fair amount of buffer.
I read it as " I gold plated my original design, and exagerated/ lied about how much money I really need, in order to get a larger piece of the pie."

Maybe, you could create a more realistic, honest plan and budget and have a better chance of getting funded?
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Re: Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

Post by Token » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:18 pm

Best place for information is the BORG.

https://burningman.org/culture/burning- ... honoraria/
Our annual budget for art on playa is $1.3 million. We typically fund approximately 60 to 70 honoraria art projects. Grants over $20,000 are rare. Due to the number of proposals we receive we are not able to negotiate potential changes for each application.
So with some simple maths, if the BORG blows through $1.3M on 60 - 70 grants with > $20K being rare ...

Go back to the grand version and ask for $18K.

See, maths is your friend.

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Post by Ratty » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:28 pm

Spacetime, if you have excess you can just give it back.
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Re: Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

Post by spacetime » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:21 am

I posted this in a Facebook group and connected with someone in my community who has two successful grants under their belt.

They looked at my detailed budget and were able to give feedback on my application too.

I got a lot of other useful feedback on this topic:

Ratty was right although the general feedback from others who have done this is 40-45% is reasonable, 50% is maximum.

There was one account where someone asked for 50% and only 35% was offered by the arts folks.

Some did advised a buffer, and if no one is getting more than 50% on the front end, I can understand why people would advise this. However I believe there is some danger in going overboard because I do think experienced makers are reviewing the apps and can tell if the request is off.

I did run those same numbers and got to an 18k mean but from what I’ve learned this is not a realistic budget for a first time applicant. Possibly if you were heavily affiliated with past projects—I could see it but I don’t have that pedigree. My biggest budget never came to half that.

I think an ask that didn’t reasonably match the project described / your proven involvement in projects of the financial scale you’re requesting could be a negative indicator.

But you won’t find that out directly because apparently if your project is passed on there is no feedback on why.

I am really happy I got the LOI in. I had been thinking about an art piece for a few months and working on the LOI answers for several weeks.

What I had in mind changed the more I thought of it, and as I weighed how hard it would be to execute on given my five years at the burn so far.

I will find out 12/13 if I get to do a full application.

Regardless of the outcome I’m really happy about the process I went through to get there. I’d recommend anyone try this as just going through this part is an interesting new way to interact with the event in the off season.

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Re: Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

Post by burner von braun » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:24 am

Glad you're having a go at it spacetime! I recall a particularly fine and thorough write up that you posted here on eplaya regarding the logistics/experience of traveling on the Burner Express bus several years ago. It was a good read. Likewise, I hope we get to read more about the 'ins and outs' of your art project as things progress. Good luck!

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Post by Ratty » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:32 am

So great to be reaching out like this. Spacetime, How many people will be involved? (Or are you doing it all?) How early will you need to arrive for setup? Will your project be out in the open playa or in the burbs? Tomorrow's the Artumnal. It's going to be glorious. I can't wait.
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Post by Token » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:26 pm

Nailed that $18k !!!

Thank you, I’m here till Thursday.

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Re: Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

Post by spacetime » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:05 pm

Ratty wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:32 am
So great to be reaching out like this. Spacetime, How many people will be involved? (Or are you doing it all?) How early will you need to arrive for setup? Will your project be out in the open playa or in the burbs? Tomorrow's the Artumnal. It's going to be glorious. I can't wait.
I have three people on it now, but I could see it growing to four to five. I don't know if they would all go out or not.

I'm not sure how early to set up yet.

I want this thing out on open playa. Because it does have elements of sound and think that might be better away from the city.

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Re: Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

Post by spacetime » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:16 pm

burner von braun wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:24 am
Glad you're having a go at it spacetime! I recall a particularly fine and thorough write up that you posted here on eplaya regarding the logistics/experience of traveling on the Burner Express bus several years ago. It was a good read. Likewise, I hope we get to read more about the 'ins and outs' of your art project as things progress. Good luck!
Missed this. Thank you. That was my first year. Sure I hope to have something worth writing about.

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Post by BBadger » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:24 am

A friend hosted a small workshop on proposal writing for BM and his advice, according to his research, was that 30% was a good percentage of the total budget to be covered by the grant. Also, that durable goods (e.g. tools, generators, etc.) are frowned upon as budget items.
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Post by spacetime » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:27 am

Small update on this. I did end up passing the LOI stage and yesterday submitted my full proposal for the art. Find out 2/21 if it gets granted. :coffee:

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Post by Ratty » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:20 pm

Spacetime. That's exciting! I hope you get it. Abba and I will be there a week early. We can help.
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Re: Reasonable Honoraria Funding Request Vs. Total Budget

Post by spacetime » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:23 am

Wanted to follow up that my project was not selected for Honoraria.

I was bummed at first but have since come to appreciate the competitiveness of the selection.

Here's a quote from the rejection letter:

"This year we had the largest response we've ever had: with 677 Letters of Intent received, we invited 406 projects to submit a full grant proposal and received 340 submissions. We typically fund just over 70 art projects..."l

They didn't say how many they are funding this year, but presuming it is as high as 80, that's less than one in four who made it to the final stage of applications and applied that were selected for funding.

Another signal to me was that I got some solid feedback on both my LoI and application from a Portland-based artist with experience doing art at the burn and here in PDX this known artist applied for and also did not grant funding.

I was surprised they did not get their project funded given how much that person has done in art so far and personally invested in it at regionals etc.

I don't know what the magic mix is to get funded, but I definitely came in with no standing in Burning Man art, no project I had previously worked on or people I know in this part of the org at all. I just had a cool idea and a plan to do it. I'd say that is not enough. :)

I've thought about doing it anyway, but right now I'm bending away from it. The cost is substantial--particularly transportation. Factor in the need to still pay for tickets and its a big difference. Doing a great job building and delivering the art along with raising all of the money is possibly more than I want to do this year.

I've considered open-sourcing my applications, so to speak. As far as I know no one has done this, possibly because it would upset the honoraria people. But I did think the process was a bit opaque.

I still enjoyed the process of the application and invested a lot in the effort. It is not a small request to complete the application. I think it is definitely a "buyers market" for the org in that so many people would attempt to go for funding, there must be some incredible applications in there.

It is a bit of a shame more information isn't given on how choices are made by the group. But going through the process now, I have more respect for how much it takes to do an art installation, particularly one that would be granted at the burn now. I'll definitely will be paying attention to what is funded this year and being more thoughtful as I visit each.

I am glad I tried and will find some cool stuff to get involved with, possibly someone else's art this year.

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Post by spacetime » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:36 pm

I'm pleased to share that someone who reads these boards has come forward as our patron and covered almost the entire amount that I requested from the Honoraia. :shock:

I've now applied for placement and am working with the team I assembled to make this happen. There is a lot to do including fundraising for the remaining 55% of the project. But this private grant is an amazing opportunity and I think we have a great shot at delivering something cool for the burn this year.

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Post by Ratty » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:25 pm

That's fantastic news. I know your project will be epic fun. Just like you.
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Post by spacetime » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:28 pm

Thought I'd post a minor update--

The Listener project is proceeding well. It is A LOT of work to do art for this. Our project scope is not small--but it doesn't even reach medium size for out there.

I'm planning to post fundraising info in about 10 days, but if you're curious here are some photos from our build this past weekend.


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Post by spacetime » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:48 am

Hello, I've been posting some updates about this art project over the course of this year.

With the burn not far off we're in the later stages of it and are hoping to raise some funds from the community to reduce our personal cost in constructing it.

Please consider donating to our fundraiser, and / or sharing the link on your social channel:
https://www.gofundme.com/the-listener-b ... t-project/

We're bringing it out regardless of the fundraising effort, so we hope you'll come by and interact with it.

Here are some videos:



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Post by Ratty » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:22 am

Spacetime. I remember when you didn't get a BM art grant. I'm so glad you went ahead with this. It will be a fun art piece. (Just like you.)
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Post by goodleaf » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:19 pm

This is so cool!

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Post by Gerlachtaco » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:20 pm

I had fun with a few different camps at your project. Thanks for the memories,!

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