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Washoe Co. Sheriff takes family to Burning Man...

Postby trilobyte » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:40 pm

....in a helicopter!

Under normal circumstances, an post like this might be a better fit for Open Discussion. But seeing as how Washoe county is closely connected with the event and the potential impact of law enforcement officers breaching policy... I think this fits in better with event politics and philosophy.

Recently, a Reno Gazette Journal reporter named Anjeannette Damon uncovered that the Washoe county sheriff took his wife and children to Burning Man... on a regional aviation enforcement flight. You can read that story here, though be forewarned that RGJ is dripping with adware these days (in recent visits I've had popups, been required to answer marketing questions, reeived tracking cookies, and had my smartphone device tell me the site wanted to track my location).

This week, the RGJ editorial board addressed the issue, and said they feel the sherriff made a misstep. You can read that here, and of course the same adware warning as above applies.

While it was a scheduled flight, RAVEN's rules do not allow for civilian passengers at any time. The RGJ editorial board makes some valid points about what they see as an abuse of power.

What do you guys think?

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Postby FIGJAM » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:51 pm

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Postby lucky420 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:55 pm

i think it's not a big deal and the rgj was trying to make it a big deal :roll: . This has been discussed on burners fb page and Reno burners fb page. Washoe County Sheriff treats burners pretty darn well as compared to Pershing. Sheriff Alan is a pretty nice guy actually. I dont give a fuck what the rgj editorial board thinks...

the copter was going up there anyways, big fuckin deal if they had a couple of extra passengers. It doesnt hurt to make nice with the local law, law makers, etc.

and that's what I feel about their shit stirrer article
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Postby ygmir » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:36 pm

lucky420 wrote:i think it's not a big deal and the rgj was trying to make it a big deal :roll: . This has been discussed on burners fb page and Reno burners fb page. Washoe County Sheriff treats burners pretty darn well as compared to Pershing. Sheriff Alan is a pretty nice guy actually. I dont give a fuck what the rgj editorial board thinks...

the copter was going up there anyways, big fuckin deal if they had a couple of extra passengers. It doesnt hurt to make nice with the local law, law makers, etc.

and that's what I feel about their shit stirrer article

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Postby some seeing eye » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:06 pm

My understanding is that Washoe County, which contains Reno, loves Burning Man and Pershing County, especially the new sheriff and some judges hate Burning Man. And maybe Pershing County is also unhappy their hospital lost the Burning Man medical contract.

So if we can make the Washoe County sheriff happy and bring his family into our little cult, in my opinion that's great! It's not like he is evading taxes with an offshore shell corporation.

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Postby BBadger » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:32 pm

I wonder if those in Pershing Country don't like the event so much because it doesn't really generate much commerce for their county. Washoe County has nearly all the towns that most Burners visit for supplies and whatnot, even Gerlach and Empire. Pershing just gets the last leg of the road trip and the no-commerce event itself. Maybe it's just a lot of extra work.
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Postby Skuzzy61 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:38 am

About the only thing I see bad would have been if the helicopter had crashed. I cannot imagine the deluge of negative press and the public outcry.

Other than that, good on him. I have seen countless examples of people taking advantage of a free ride. If they want to ridicule people for it, then they do not have to look very far. Most politicians do it all the time. Do you really think those sister cities in Europe are called that just for good will? Hehe.
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Postby AntiM » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:22 am

The military uses space available flights to move dependents and retirees, doesn't seem like a huge deal to me if the flight was going anyway and it was not a security or safety issue.

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Postby ygmir » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:00 am

Pershing county resentment=religion and false moral equivalence.
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Postby BBadger » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:00 pm

Maybe the sheriff's family were simply considered towed vehicles. That must be it.
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Postby Doctor VonBacon » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:46 pm

If the guy can do his (already) difficult job in a fair manner (which he seems to do)..

I do not give a flying fuck if his family (who will not be seeing much of him during the event) gets a helicopter ride and tour (which was scheduled anyway, so the taxpayer isn't spending anything extra.) I consider this an extremely minor "perk" given to a family who will be missing their husband/father before, during, and after BM.

The rag of a newspaper is trying to create controversy and outrage where there is none. Lazy "journalism" at it's worst.

Besides, do you think the Mrs. and kiddies believed any of his stories until they saw for themselves?

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Postby WileE13 » Sun May 22, 2016 7:32 am

The locals around Black Rock tend to be split on their view of Burning Man depending on whether they are making money of it or not. Those who are not making money off the event see it as a big pain the ass, as would most of you if an event moved into your neighborhood for a week, clogged up traffic, left trash on the side of the road, and generally took over the area, and for all the inconvenience, you get nothing.

This dynamic exists everywhere there is an event, from small festivals to Disneyland.

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Postby Aurelia » Sun May 22, 2016 9:43 am

Did they have fun ?

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Postby Elderberry » Sun May 22, 2016 10:41 am

WileE13 wrote:The locals around Black Rock tend to be split on their view of Burning Man depending on whether they are making money of it or not. Those who are not making money off the event see it as a big pain the ass, as would most of you if an event moved into your neighborhood for a week, clogged up traffic, left trash on the side of the road, and generally took over the area, and for all the inconvenience, you get nothing.

This dynamic exists everywhere there is an event, from small festivals to Disneyland.

Not to mention Hollywood--with premiers, filming, events like the Oscars, etc. It's a love/hate relationship.
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Postby Luigi » Sun May 22, 2016 10:54 am

As a long time Tahoe-Truckee-Reno resident, the influence of BM on Reno has been GREAT!

The Sheriff should be able to do whatever he feels is good for the people - and as a Reno person I think its right for him, his wife and adult son to catch a ride on an empty helicopter and visit the site.

BTW way the RGJ newspaper is just on a political slant along with the local AM station KOH. Old school Nevada.

Just my opinion - I will vote for him next election.

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Postby EGAZ » Sun May 22, 2016 11:17 am

As long as no one 'official' was bumped from the 'Scheduled Flight'. Fill the seats. Did not cost anyone (taxpayers) any more than what was spent.

Its a non issue.....
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Postby FlyingMonkey » Mon May 23, 2016 10:19 am

I'd have to say from a tax payer stand point its a stretch of his authority to take his family on a joy ride using government recourses. But I don't pay taxes in NV so I don't care. Yeah it's inappropriate for him to do but if the people who vote for him care they will let him know. I can think of worse things a Sheriff could do.

I hope they enjoyed seeing it & have a better & more informed opinion of the event. Maybe they will go for real some day. If they do I hope they find a camp with a good meal plan.
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Postby Luigi » Mon May 23, 2016 10:46 am

When people ask me what BM is like, I usually respond it is hard to describe. For the Washoe Sheriff to get there and really take a look is good for us. Better than sitting in his office and making decisions without the experience. And if there are empty seats on the ride, he should be able to take others.

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Postby Chowski » Mon May 23, 2016 4:53 pm

Here's what I know - BLM charges the event (and therefor, the ticket-buying attendee) line-item charges for millions of dollars of "necessities" - remember the Chaco-Taco fiasco? For the last five years, the "fees" have risen exponentially - something like five-fold. The "expense" of operating this helicopter is not coming out of some general fund - you and I are paying this. And we're paying for the other hundreds of police from different jurisdictions, and one-use walkie-talkies, and computer systems to track us and night goggles, and overtime pay. Despite the insane increase in armed thugs demanding to be paid to harass attendees over the last few years, ARRESTS have not risen. Burning Man is a generally safe and peaceful event, but every little-dick cop and government do-nothing has decided he is going to charge us more and more to come and look at our nekkid women (and maybe bash some hippie heads). Let me repeat that - despite a five-fold increase in fees and police presence, arrests have not risen. We are paying ridiculous sums so the cops can have a little weekend of swinging their guns around.

The latest radical right wing effort to suck the money out of Burning Man comes in the guise of a "tax" which includes ONLY Burning Man, but excludes NASCAR (the darling of the drooling moocher class.

If you, as an American, aren't offended by government waste and overstep, you as a consumer should know that YOUR ticket fees are DIRECTLY related to paying off yet another government agency which has TARGETED you and your money.

Fucking cops, leave your kids at home, or buy a ticket like everyone else.

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Postby Captain Goddammit » Mon May 23, 2016 6:12 pm

"Radical right wing"? Dude, the left is even more about taxing people to death.
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Postby Luigi » Mon May 23, 2016 6:18 pm

OK, lets get our facts straight.
Washoe county pays for the helicopter, it was going there with empty seats.
The BLM is federal and may over do the BM event.
The NV state 'entertainment' tax is on all concerts/events, rodeo, sporting events, dancing and escort services. BM fought the tax on the basis of being non profit. NV is working on closing the loopholes (nascar).

I do agree with chow - we are over policed. And that costs us the taxpayer.
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Postby EGAZ » Mon May 23, 2016 6:44 pm

Yea, gotta go with CaptGD, the radical right is not about taxes, the left is. I'm sure NASCAR has a few more lobbyists and a lot more practice at it than BMOrg.

That said 'All' the LEO agencies are using BM as a cash cow. Its plain as day for anyone to see. The BLM and Sheriffs Dept. do the same in CA at Glamis. Off weekends you barely see one. Holiday weekends they fly'em in from all over the country and can't turn around with out seeing one...... usually two or more. They run in packs ya know.... ;)
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Postby burner von braun » Mon May 23, 2016 7:40 pm

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Postby Aurelia » Mon May 23, 2016 8:10 pm

For me it is

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Postby Chowski » Tue May 24, 2016 9:04 am

Well then, let us dispel with the fox news horseshit about the right cutting taxes - the only thing the right wing does is cut taxes on the billionaire parasite class. Do you know what a tax break is? It's a shift of finances, the choice to SPEND MONEY - taking money directly from the poor and middle class and funneling it into the grasping hands of the rich. Let us stop pretending that Republicans and Teabaggers and Libertardians do anything other than destroy our middle class for the benefit of the corporate class. Anyone who has lived even a moment, and still believes in the bullshit of the radical right wing truly deserves to live under a Trump presidency. I mention NASCAR because the asshole right-wing fucktards who wrote and implemented this tax ON US, exempted NASCAR from the tax. Only the hippies pay the tax, while the redneck moochers get to drink their beer see their cars go fast without paying the tax. This unconstitutionally- and unequally-applied tax is a directed attack on Burning Man, and on it's attendees.

Now, let us get another "fact" straight. "Washoe County" does not pay for the helicopter. American taxpayers pay for the helicopter. The moochers who make their living off public sector funds want to use OUR public resources to take their families on vacation. Again, I say, buy a ticket and get there like the rest of us.

Once again, let me assert an actual fact - despite OUR paying higher and higher fees to more and more little-dick cops, ARRESTS have not risen. The only thing that is going up is how much money these public-dependent moochers make, taking a break from murdering unarmed black teenagers so they can fly their families in to watch them swing their guns in our faces.

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Postby lucky420 » Tue May 24, 2016 10:00 am

i dont believe that Sheriff Allen has murdered any unarmed person, black, white, purple

hyperbole much?
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Tue May 24, 2016 10:02 am

Are you saying the left is better at cutting taxes? (hashtag delusional)
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Postby Ratty » Tue May 24, 2016 10:08 am

Tax hikes 101. The republicans (right) traditionally want to tax the lower and middle class. The dems want to tax the rich. Win win lose lose. But what do i know? Nothing much.
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Postby EGAZ » Tue May 24, 2016 10:14 am

Interesting...... Chowski, :) love ya friend but you paint with a pretty broad brush, paint roller actually. You lump together a lot of groups that just bleed left talking points. You post your statements as 'facts' with no backup or reference. Now you may believe what you say as fact, but that does not make it so. Being new here I am not sure if Trilobyte posted this to start a political debate or just wanted opinions on the action of the Sheriff. I'm going with the later.

I didn't see were the wife and kids stayed more than a day, so based on that I stated my 'opinion' on the 'action'. (If they stayed for longer than I would change my opinion) They came in, walked around, and left. To me its no biggie. You may disagree and that's fine. I hopped a ride on a chopper one time that was making a cell tower inspection on top of a mountain. Did I pay for the ride? No, the cell company did. We had an HVAC tech checking the A/C units while they were changing batteries. I was a sales guy at the time. They had an open seat, I asked, the pilot allowed me to tag along. I never rode in a chopper and haven't since. It was something I wanted to do so I took it. The family could have just as easily rode in a squad car to get there bypassing gate. I don't see this as a battle that needs to be fought as there are other, more important battles to fight. :wink:

I'm with you on government over spending and accountability. Its a problem that has been around forever and will not go away anytime soon. And I could offer a strong arguments on how the left taxes and spends every ones money, with reference and backup. At the same time the right is not free of its faults either.

However,.....

I have found that debating politics and religion on the net is a futile effort. And both parties need to be very well informed and specific to have any intellectual discussion. One can find many other forums to debate politics from full on scorch and burn, flame throwing caldrons of hate, to very civil, thought provoking sites. This is neither, its a site to learn and discuss all things BM. So I will bow out of this thread, this discussion of 'actions', and continue my prep.

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Postby Ratty » Tue May 24, 2016 10:27 am

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The family could have just as easily rode in a squad car to get there bypassing gate.
I'm not so sure about this.
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