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Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:49 pm
by Partypants
Once the decision is made to put up a chain link fence or any other forced deterrent, it will be too late to "suggest" other options. Once it's done next year, it will be permanent. They won't say nobody has died in a fire for 5 years, let's try it again without the fence. You can stick your head in the sand and say we have no voice and you will be right. OR we can use our collective imagination and come up with "other" possibilities that may or may not be presented to the BLM. What do we have to lose by trying?

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:38 pm
by tatonka
have all the guards be carrying taser's , they can drop runners quick..........., but I think you would need some kinda shotgun taser. A running target could be tough for some.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:21 am
by Bless

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:24 am
by mudpuppy000


This would be handy.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:53 am
by some seeing eye

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:57 am
by Token
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Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:29 pm
by vargaso
The Man and Temple burns are over. The yahoos have ruined something once again. Time to make something else the centerpiece of the event. What would happen if the BMORG staged a Man burn and nobody came? It would be beautiful.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:35 am
by Partypants
Enjoy the fences.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:44 am
by Bless
Partypants wrote:Enjoy the fences.
Don't tell me how to live my life.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:41 am
by TT120
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Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:03 pm
by Token
TT120 wrote:Image

You live in Lovelock?

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:18 am
by TT120
Token wrote:
TT120 wrote:Image

You live in Lovelock?
Yeah, they let me out once a year for "good behavior" in lieu of conjugal visits.....

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:48 pm
by randomodds
motskyroonmatick wrote:And so the masses will be subject to yet another set of constraints imposed by the action of a statistical extreme minority. I witnessed the act. It impacted me and my campmates.... A continuing impact. It would be nice if the gravity of what we burners do for each other immediately overtook the gravity of this one man's actioned fate.
I think the needs of PR and political reality will overwhelm any ideals, no matter how pure the intent. I saw it too, the rangers were not adequate.

I won't be at all surprised if the big burns from now on have some kind of perimeter fence. Can't say I blame the decision makers here. One person could end the event. Its not worth the risk and we are in a risk adverse world.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:43 pm
by Dr Helix
You know what? I could care less if the Man burns. In fact, in the interests of saved resources put the same one up every year. Then have the gathering on Saturday, have all the fire performers, make it the best fireworks show imaginable with big music all synched up, and then it's OVER. If you must have a burn, burn the temple Sunday. Different vibe, so less likely to have a runner. Don't know about any other burns. That's all I have.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:38 pm
by BBadger
Will Decommodification, LLC own the rights to the "Post-event Dismantle Man" IP too?

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:48 pm
by maladroit
They could just have a Man unplugging ceremony.


Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:10 pm
by vargaso
maladroit wrote:They could just have a Man unplugging ceremony.

HAHA!!

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:41 pm
by Token
That would be some epic culture jamming if the BORG got a 80’ one of those.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:32 am
by maladroit
Token wrote:That would be some epic culture jamming if the BORG got a 80’ one of those.
The Boss Is Away And We've All Gone Crazy You Can't Beat These Amazing Deals On GE And Maytag Appliances Come On Down Man

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:49 am
by Jackass
Token wrote:That would be some epic culture jamming if the BORG got a 80’ one of those.
That thing would get Addis'd by Monday night

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:51 am
by Token
Jackass wrote:
Token wrote:That would be some epic culture jamming if the BORG got a 80’ one of those.
That thing would get Addis'd by Monday night
Not if made of Kevlar, inflated with propane, and shooting flames from its ass it wouldn’t.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:58 am
by Jackass
Now that would make an excellent art piece, doable too.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:08 pm
by Captain Goddammit
Now that would make Burning Man worth still showing up for!

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:52 pm
by BBadger
Too Much Hot Sauce Man.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:22 pm
by Traveller in Time
Feels like default world also needs some fencing . . .
(Las Vegas incident)

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:31 pm
by lucky420
Shit if nothing was done after Sandy Hook, why you think anything will happen now

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:05 pm
by Meat Hunter
In my opinion, there is not much that can be done to prevent a previously un-predefined, determined and deranged individual from doing just about anything.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:03 am
by EspressoDude
so, this event has been going on for about 20 years, attendance 10,000 - 60,000, 15 bigger burns each year. let's use an average of 20,000 participants, and say half of them view the burns.

20yrs x 20,000 folks x 1/2viewing x 15 burns = approx 3000000 (3 million) folks watching burns, and 1 successful runner. 1/3000000 (0.0003%) is damn little likelihood of a runner happening. a person could buy life insurance based on that

Fencing: This cannot be outside the 'sandmen'. They need to be able to retreat from the burn and a fence outside will trap them. It is almost impossible to re-orient yourself close to a burn to figure which way to run if they have to 'escape' and a few gates isn't going to work.

Prior to the burn, whose responsibility is it to put up the fence? After the burn, who moves it. How many miles of fencing would be needed?

add to back of ticket and purchase agreement "I am not suicidal" Some gun ranges have this.

Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:51 pm
by MyDearFriend
I'm with you on those numbers, EspressoDude, but I'm not sure a no-suicide pledge would help at all.

I was aware this year of a fuck-ton of folks who took "something" and were convinced they could fly. Some were corralled in time and some were scraped off the playa on backboards. Was it stronger shit or bad shit or shit that someone thought should be more potentially fatal? Who knows. But if you ask me why a 41 year old married man with young kids would run into the flames, my guess would be that he thought it would be really great fun.

But we will never know, will we?


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Re: A solution to suicides (at the man burns/ temple burns)

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:59 am
by JohnEBGud
MyDearFriend wrote:But if you ask me why a 41 year old married man with young kids would run into the flames, my guess would be that he thought it would be really great fun.
While a wife and young kids be an incentive for most of us to continue living, it very well could be the opposite for someone suffering depression or mental illness. In this case it's not necessarily an either depression or drugs situation. Both could have been factors, but yes, we'll never know.