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Edit function

Postby precipitate » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:29 pm

So, the edit function has, from the inception of this board, been used
repeatedly by participants to remove their words after significant
discussion has been made. This leaves threads pretty much
incomprehensible and worthless.

I wonder if a modification that would allow you to edit your posts for a
specified time period - say 30 minutes - would permit editing of typos
(and saving all the "Oops, I meant to say ..." posts that were on the old
eplaya) but would prevent this kind of raping and pillaging of
discussions.

Of course, since words belong to the participants, an admin request to
remove the content of a particular post should always be permitted.

But I wonder if limiting edit functions wouldn't make things a bit more fluid.

Or not. This is a topic for discussion, not necessarily a straight request.

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Postby Kinetic II » Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:19 pm

To counter the radical proposal listed above....
Here's a proposed rule guiding eplaya content:

Intellectual Property
The content of this message board may be protected by intellectual property rights but is not the exclusive property of the eplaya. Any material including, but not limited to, text, data, graphics, pictures, sounds, videos, logos, icons or HTML code that is protected under intellectual property law remains the author's or third party's property.

Posting your own intellectual property implies that eplaya is granted the right to store and display said property, but ownership of the intellectual property remains with the author (that's you).


Anyone posting on this board should never be forced to give up the rights to their work if they chose to protect it. And any post I make on this board is my own intellectual property, for better or worse.

The above policy is easily found on numerous BBS type systems across America and on the private board I run. It could be applied here. And I hope it's considered by the admin team.

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Postby precipitate » Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:22 pm

And my proposal runs counter to that how?

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Postby III » Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:28 pm

>attempt by a select few to hijack and have their way with the eplaya:

i'm not quite sure how holding people accountable for their words amounts to "hijacking". if anything, it would seem that using the features to try to twist conversations to your own ends is more in that vein than anything else.

but i'm drunk,so i probably make no sense at all...

Araceli

Postby Araceli » Mon Dec 08, 2003 9:37 am

There's an answer to this that might satisfy K and P. Give users 30 minutes to edit their posts, then lock out the edit button. Deleting old posts as P states pillages the threads. But K has a point in protecting IP...allthough on here this is a public board and if you post anything that's questionable you should know better.

Does the 30 minute or even 15 minute timer on edits sound reasonable?

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Postby Ivy » Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:08 am

eplaya is granted the right to store and display said property


If eplaya has a right to store and display said property (i.e., posts), then how does removing the entirely of a post play into this? This statement seems to say that eplaya would have a right to keep and display the original post even if an edit occurred.

Araceli

Postby Araceli » Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:20 am

Once the 15/30 minute timeout is passed the eplaya should have full rights to keep and post any content they see fit. If anything is removed it would be an admin doing it. The community has made it clear that any admin changes like the Spanky issue I read about are now flagged with who removed what and why. Otherwise, after the 15/30 minute freeze consider that post carved in stone. It's not going anywhere.

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Postby III » Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:47 am

>15/30 minute timeout

it's not a bad idea. unfortunately, i don't believe that's a feature of phpbb, and a quick looksee didn't show any approved mods to address the issue. actually getting it to be a feature of the eplaya, therefore, is a pretty moot point.

Araceli

Postby Araceli » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:04 am

Well that's easy enough then. For the time being the admins take away the edit function and let people post a second time for corrections. Then as things settle down and the admins look at making their own mods you add this to a proposed mod list. As long as the critics know it's going to be looked at again, why not try it? It can't make things any crazier than they already are.

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Postby Booker » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:49 am

This is not properly an intellectual property issue. Content of this board can be property to the extent that someone who didn't create it can be prevented (legally, not technically) from copying it without the creator's permission. But filling in the box and clicking submit pretty much has to constitute permission to display the post, no?

Therefore, the decision about misuse of the edit function to remove ill-considered posts is a simple question of admin policy, and in no way a property rights issue. Might be good to keep that line drawn.

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Postby technopatra » Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:16 pm

I'm not sure where to weigh in on this. I think that for every person who goes back and edits their posts for content, there must by 50 people like me who just use it when they notice that for the hundredth time they've typed "form" instead of "from".

Aside from Kinetic, I've noticed no one else using edit to delete or significantly alter their posts. My initial reaction is to continue to let folks edit, and encourage a cultural standard of not going back for content, rather than make an admin decision about it.

But if there are a number of folks doing this, then we should consider Araceli's suggestion that we disable the edit feature altogether. III is right, we have no timed-out mod.

Can someone give me some other examples of this happening? I don't mean to make you do extra work for this, but sometimes something that strikes us deeply gets re-interpreted in our heads as having happened _often_. I've caught myself at this and want to make sure I'm not just reacting to some well-stated, but still few, complaints.

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Postby III » Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:24 pm

>other examples of this happening?

the cafe thread which spanky suspended is the first example of this on the new eplaya.

i believe defacto replaced a couple of his posts with periods, though he then just started posting those randomly, so it'd be hard to find.

there were a couple of oxccurances on the old eplaya, before the feature was disabled. i seem to remember the concensus at the time was that it interefered more than it actually helped.

my vote (though this isn't a democracy) is that we leave it.

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Postby precipitate » Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:26 pm

> Aside from Kinetic, I've noticed no one else using edit to delete or
> significantly alter their posts.

Tawnee Lynne (now OFC, I believe).
De Facto.
Some guy who left and whose name I cannot for the life of me remember.
Kinetic.

I haven't been around much lately, so I'm not sure if it's a problem. And
now that I look at the list, I'm not sure I really care to preserve those
words, except in that their absence disturbs the flow of conversation.

I agree that this is a social issue, not a technological one. However, I
brought it up for discussion because this is one case where a technical
solution would be pretty easy and not terribly detrimental to the overall
experience. I also think that it's useful for people who might not otherwise
realize it to know that their editing themselves is disruptive to others,
but I guess that's a user FAQ kind of thing.

And I've been playing around with phpBB. Presenting an edit link based
on the post time would probably be trivial, so if it becomes important to
have, it can be done.

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Postby Bob » Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:17 am

After one hour, for each character changed, insert a Megalomaniac smiley.

5000 characters changed wins a copy of the Nixon tapes -- the unexpurgated version.
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Postby technopatra » Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:08 pm

Bob wrote:After one hour, for each character changed, insert a Megalomaniac smiley.

5000 characters changed wins a copy of the Nixon tapes -- the unexpurgated version.


Dammit Bob, how many times do I have to tell you people?
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Re: Edit function

Postby Shurafa » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:45 am

I am new to these boards. I tried to search for an answer and do not see anything relevant. Sorry to dig up this old post but I cant find the edit button. Was this removed at some point? If so how are we supposed to update informative news threads? Just keep starting new topics? Then we lose all of the discussion on the original topic.

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Re: Edit function

Postby Captain Goddammit » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:53 am

It's there on the upper right of your posts, but it does time out after 30 minutes I believe. Then it's gone.
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Re: Edit function

Postby Eric » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:18 pm

The edit function lasts for 30 minutes, then is gone. This is to avoid people playing games with their posts, as has happened in the past. It used to be called "drive by flaming", a person would post something really inflammatory, and then when they had people in a frenzy they'd go back & delete or alter the original. One of the tenets of ePlaya is "stand by your words", by removing the edit function after a time-limit we ensure that.

Shurafa wrote:If so how are we supposed to update informative news threads? Just keep starting new topics? Then we lose all of the discussion on the original topic.

Put a new post in the thread. It's that simple.
Do not create a new thread, that just means us mods have to merge the two (since they're about the same thing), and since merges go by post time, not by which thread they were originally in, it makes a mess.
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Re: Edit function

Postby Green Goddess » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:36 am

This is all well & good for many posts. On the other hand, when something has been lost and then found, the lost post is moot and taking up space & distraction to those still looking for their belonging. It clutters up our board & servers. It also puts the responsibility of deleting on the moderators rather than the individuals. Technical & blanket application of BMan principles actually diminishes others. Thank you, charlotte, aka green goddess

PS. FYI Edit does not last 30 minutes. I posted that I had found my camera at 7:17 am and at 7:25 am my edit notation was gone. I wanted to delete the post because I realized I had already posted that I found my camera and thanked Persian Princess

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Re: Edit function

Postby Ratty » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:02 am

Green Goddess, Just post that you have retrieved your lost article. The 'mods' will lock that thread and it falls away. (Because no one can ever bump it to the top again.)

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Lock the thread and it drops down and down as new posts bury it.
The mods here do a great job of merging dups and zapping spam.

I really like that you can't delete your old threads. It's fun to get in the 'way-back' machine and see what your friends posted 5 or 10 years ago. I think I'll go search my own fledgling posts. I wonder if I ever introduced myself.
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Re: Edit function

Postby trilobyte » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:36 am

I've checked the settings as well as the account, and edit does appear to be working and set to a 30 minute timer. It works for just that one post in question (and not the entire thread), and it is edit only, not delete. If you require additional assistance, either send a message to one of the moderators or flag the post and provide details so that one of us can jump in to try and help.

Do keep in mind that we are a public message board, and as such we get indexed and cached by most of the major search engines. That means that once something has been on ePlaya for an hour or two, it will probably be on the internet forever (and be pretty easy to find for anyone ranging from crazy exes to prospective employers conducting background checks). This is why we strongly recommend that you do not post any personal information - people reading the message can reach out to you by clicking on the PM or email button on the page.

I hope that info helps!


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