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Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:54 pm
by cryoguy
Links
https://www.jweekly.com/2019/09/04/ausc ... -adls-eye/

https://www.sfgate.com/art/article/Burn ... 419956.php

Hope they come back!

We have enjoyed coming by the camp the last three years.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:31 pm
by Ratty
Cryoguy, Why wouldn't they come back? Just because 3 douche sacs think they can vandalize an art exhibit that upsets them? Art is suppose too elicit a feeling from you. Those Barbies, Nazis and ovens have been on display for longer than I've been attending. Those three thought they could drive by on their exodus route and do dust angels in the Barbie pit without getting caught. My only concern is why weren't they arrested? Burning Man is full of objectionable things. Chuckle, frown, yell obscenities and move on down the road. It's Burning Man. Not Disney Land.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:44 pm
by cryoguy
Not Disney Land for sure, that's what I love about Burning Man.

The articles indicate that a barbie camp member was charged with assault with a deadly weapon for breaking an tail light? Maybe the articles are leaving out details, but it sounds very unfair for that serious of charge. And it seems at the very least the a-holes perps should have been arrested for vandalism.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:46 pm
by TT120
#WESTANDWITHBARBIE

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:05 pm
by Canoe
I don't know if this is what was intended, but I've always thought of the display as:
  • an interesting way to remind those who know of the Holocaust, and
  • to get the attention of any who somehow don't.
I could certainly understand someone being particularly upset and disgusted at someone vandalizing and interfering with that.
I once talked with the man who was with the first-in to the camps, as his job was to photograph the camp's documentation as evidence; interesting.

I've always understood that smashing a tail-light can be a quick way to:
  • mark a fleeing vehicle so law enforcement can more easily find it,
  • LE can collect the broken pieces of the lens so they can be matched to the vehicle to prove identification of the vehicle in court,
and no one gets hurt and it's cheap to fix.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:02 pm
by BBadger
Bunch of asshat vandals who probably get offended from being told "Fuck yer burn!"

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:47 am
by Skuzzy61
The press loves to sensationalize things.

If all art were allowed to be vandalized because someone did not like it, there would be no art, anywhere. Of course the press will not talk about that as it does not make as good of a headline.

A precedent has been set. People were allowed to vandalize an installation and walk away free and clear. That outrages me to an extent I cannot express, but do not worry as I will not go about vandalizing things. The ignorant won the day.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:27 am
by lucky420
Canoe wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:05 pm
I don't know if this is what was intended, but I've always thought of the display as:
  • an interesting way to remind those who know of the Holocaust, and
  • to get the attention of any who somehow don't.
I could certainly understand someone being particularly upset and disgusted at someone vandalizing and interfering with that.
I once talked with the man who was with the first-in to the camps, as his job was to photograph the camp's documentation as evidence; interesting.

I've always understood that smashing a tail-light can be a quick way to:
  • mark a fleeing vehicle so law enforcement can more easily find it,
  • LE can collect the broken pieces of the lens so they can be matched to the vehicle to prove identification of the vehicle in court,
and no one gets hurt and it's cheap to fix.
Or you could have several witnesses corroborate and report the license plate? I do like wild man, he’s a stand up guy. Just saying that smashing a lic plate to justify it as identification is stretching...?
I also see this as a First Amendment right (on behalf of BDV) and ya’ll know how I feel about that :coffee:

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:14 am
by XPTom
Maybe I've been here too long, but first take is that the instigators should have pedaled their bikes and not driven their motor vehicle to the Barbie camp.... No VP for 5 years.... restrict to burner bus....

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:18 am
by some seeing eye
All I can say about this is that BarbieTM was a character in Todd Haynes early movie Superstar. It's a brilliant but sad art work which tells a true story about a famous musician who starved herself to death at age 32. Todd has gone on to an excellent career in filmmaking.

So I think BDV is art that is a touchstone for many issues to think and talk about.

There is this:



Which led to the BarbieTM Liberation Organization, a culture jamming project by an anonymous group. They would buy talking BarbiesTM and JI JoesTM, operate on them to switch the voice boxes and reverse shoplift them back into stores.



Finally we have creepy Hello BarbieTM.

We hope the case is thrown out of court or reduced to a namby pamby misdemeanor with a nominal fine. But secretly wouldn't it be fun to mount a full-on BarbieTM defense court case?

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:30 am
by FlyingMonkey
Yep, that's what it's come to. Next thing you know they'll be knocking down Confederate statues that offend them....Oh wait....

But really what a bunch of Jack-wagons.

Didn't BDV have some vandalism or theft a few years back?

The crowd has really changed & I question whether I'm going Home anymore or just attending regional events. Burning Man is attracting a lot of people I just don't care to Burn with.

There has been way too much art getting destroyed by complete idiots in the last few years. Is this new or has it been going on for a while? I've only been Burning since 2012 & the event changed considerably since then.

I was only able to read the second article and it didn't have much content. What happened to the people that vandalized the camp?

I'm sorry to hear this happened. What a bummer.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:01 am
by lucky420
XPTom wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:14 am
Maybe I've been here too long, but first take is that the instigators should have pedaled their bikes and not driven their motor vehicle to the Barbie camp.... No VP for 5 years.... restrict to burner bus....
It’s been said that they were on their way out of the city when they stopped by

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:38 pm
by Dr. Pyro
I guess it's about time I chime in here. Yes, we were vandalized three or four years ago, but that I put to stupidity and nothing else. No real harm done. This year, it began on Tuesday when a woman came in (there were, by the way, six to the attacking party: four from Australia, and one each from NYC and SF) and started yelling at me for being a "white jew-hating supremist" and I should have been killed by the Nazis so "...I could see what it was like..." Never mind that I'm Jewish, she didn't want to hear it. She said "It fucking Trump's fault that you think you assholes can get away with this!" What? I tried to tell her we've been doing it since Bill Clinton was president, but she just swore at me some more and stormed off. Then on Friday one of the perps came by and did the same thing. I only caught the very end of that, but one of our campmates Danielle was shaken when they physically threatened her. But again, they left. Then on Saturday at 1:00 (I have a picture with a timestamp at 1:03 with them and their car--license plate and all--vandalizing BDC) they came back, began throwing the sawhorses, tearing out the crucifixes, and stomping on the Barbies. One of them threw a crucifix at our campmate Alan and it hit him in the face. Had he not been wearing glasses he may well have lost an eye. Then Wildman came out and confronted them. He was then thrown to the ground, injuring his side, and this one dude stepped on his chest while Wildman was down and kept yelling, and I quote, "I'm going to slit your fucking throat!" At this juncture everyone began to worry about our own welfare and Wildman managed to get up, and yes, he did break the tail light. A monumentally bad decision, but that is the truth. He then asked the BRC Rangers to call in the Pershing County sheriffs so he could press charges. They arrived around 1:30 (the BLM police had stopped the attack but didn't let the the perps go). The perps showed the sheriff (her name was Donna) a video showing Wildman defending us, but to them they thought he was the instigator and, after taking him to the med center, unbeknownst to him at the time, they had already planned on arresting Wildman and charging him with two felony counts of attack with a deadly weapon. I can assure each and every one of you that didn't happen. So I drove to Lovelock and around 2 a.m. Sunday morning posted his bail of $3221. We're trying to get the charges dropped but the main people who did the damage and injured our campmates were Aussies and we have no way of pursuing them. If you have any questions or comments that should be answered privately, PM me and I'll try to clear things up. We are optimistic and are doing a fundraiser to help Wildman with his legal/medical bills.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:00 pm
by Ratty
Doc, Thank you for clearing this up. Now the speculation and rumors can crawl back under a rock. I hope this won't influence future BDV. Bring back your art. It's enjoyed by many every year. Maybe additional signs are in order. Put a loud fire alarm on the pit. And motion activated cameras if someone enters the enclosure. And viscous dogs.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 pm
by Jackass
Yeah, shoot them with friggin lasers!

German Shepherds with friggin lasers mounted on their heads.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:28 pm
by lucky420
Jackass wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 pm
Yeah, shoot them with friggin lasers!

German Shepherds with friggin lasers mounted on their heads.
Hahahahaha perfect except doggos aren’t allowed (even ones with lasers mounted on their heads)

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:36 pm
by Jackass
lucky420 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:28 pm
Jackass wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 pm
Yeah, shoot them with friggin lasers!

German Shepherds with friggin lasers mounted on their heads.
Hahahahaha perfect except doggos aren’t allowed (even ones with lasers mounted on their heads)
How about a couple of plywood silhouette cut-outs keeping watch with lasers?
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Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:11 pm
by cryoguy
Thanks for the info Dr. Pyro. I Have only attended BM since 2017, the whole thing is so cool, and nothing like on the face of the earth. But this happens, self-appointed art/ political police show up and spoil the fun. I just hope this is an "isolated incident ".

Sorry this happened to Wildman you and your other camp mates.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:02 pm
by lucky420
Jackass wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:36 pm
lucky420 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:28 pm
Jackass wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 pm
Yeah, shoot them with friggin lasers!

German Shepherds with friggin lasers mounted on their heads.
Hahahahaha perfect except doggos aren’t allowed (even ones with lasers mounted on their heads)
Perfect
How about a couple of plywood silhouette cut-outs keeping watch with lasers?
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Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:58 pm
by FIGJAM
Warrants could still be issued for their arrest and if caught in NV, locked up.

There is also a felony flight issue.

I once overlooked a debt I had at one of the casinos.

Got pulled over for a traffic ticket and was arrested for felony flight and almost extradited to Vegas from phx.

I was never notified about this debt.

Bailed out and took care of it. but man they were serious about following that shit up.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:41 pm
by Ratty
With computers everything is slowly getting entered into the system. You can receive a notice that your license is revoked because of a forty year old incident. Even if it's on the opposite coast. No one can run away from a recent charge.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:47 am
by lucky420
FIGJAM wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:58 pm
Warrants could still be issued for their arrest and if caught in NV, locked up.

There is also a felony flight issue.

I once overlooked a debt I had at one of the casinos.

Got pulled over for a traffic ticket and was arrested for felony flight and almost extradited to Vegas from phx.

I was never notified about this debt.

Bailed out and took care of it. but man they were serious about following that shit up.
If they weren’t charged or detained for, how would they be accused of felony flight?

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:48 am
by FlyingMonkey
lucky420 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:47 am
FIGJAM wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:58 pm
Warrants could still be issued for their arrest and if caught in NV, locked up.

There is also a felony flight issue.

I once overlooked a debt I had at one of the casinos.

Got pulled over for a traffic ticket and was arrested for felony flight and almost extradited to Vegas from phx.

I was never notified about this debt.

Bailed out and took care of it. but man they were serious about following that shit up.
If they weren’t charged or detained for, how would they be accused of felony flight?
They can't. The Cops screwed up. I think they just hit the easy button on this one.

These days it seems that whoever has the video wins even if the start of an incident is not shown.

I guess the lesson learned with this is have a camp panic button that calls in support & record everything.

Generally I hate cameras at Burning Man but this is probably a necessary exception that I'd support.

Wow, did I just say we need security cams at Burning Man? WTF.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:46 am
by lucky420
Yeah I knew about the felony flight thing, just checking to see if figjam understood it.

Security at bm? bdv isn’t the first camp/art to be vandalized and with the direction the event is going surely won’t be the last.

I’m not so sure it’s a place I want to be at much longer

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:16 am
by FIGJAM
I was never arrested or detained in NV.

I don't know what the rational was, but I was taken straight to jail in PHX and had to talk the judge into letting me post bail.

There normally is no bail on an extradition, so she set it at $50,000, for a $5000 debt.

I would have had to stay in jail for 90 days just to get moved to NV.

Bailed out and took care of it the same day with complete exoneration.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:29 pm
by Canoe
FlyingMonkey wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:48 am
...
They can't. The Cops screwed up. I think they just hit the easy button on this one.
...
> the BLM police had stopped the attack but didn't let the the perps go
So the arriving officer didn't pay attention to the BLM. Didn't think they had a reason to not let the perps go?
Needs a good lawyer, med reports, gathering witness statements (and witnesses attending?). He was defending. BLM held the perps; get their notes. A good lawyer should make that be presented and not swept under the rug. Yes? No?
Go fund me?

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:07 pm
by DrYes
I dug in and this hopefully presents a fuller story.

https://www.burn.life/blog/the-effort-t ... urning-man

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:58 am
by Dr. Pyro
You are not allowed to use a Go-Fund-Me account to deal with legal bills if you were the party that was arrested. So we've set up a PROJECT WILDMAN account and are using the [email protected] address for PayPal. We have had some success so far I'm happy to report, but anything will help, trust me.

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:28 pm
by Kinetik V
Just curious if the Australian perps behind this have been identified?

Re: Nitwits attack Barbie Death Camp BM 2019

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:36 am
by some seeing eye
DrYes wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:07 pm
I dug in and this hopefully presents a fuller story.
Thanks Dr Yes for spending the time on this.

However whenever it is reposted your headline

"The Effort to Drive Barbie Death Camp Out of Burning Man"

is the message that is broadcast.

It might be replaced by something less overly dramatic like

"5 Burners Tip Parts of Barbie Installation, Throw Parts at Organizers, and Leave After Police Questioning"

I think it will take a lot more effort that than that to "drive Barbie Death Camp out of Burning Man" and there is no evidence the 5 were trying to "drive Barbie Death Camp out of Burning Man."

IMO, of course! :D