10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by some seeing eye » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:46 pm

"
Thank you for the opportunity to provide suggestions as an
environmentalist and Burning Man participant to the Environmental
Impact Statement, orientating that in context.

I realize that the local BLM office has an unusual task.

My feedback is from the experience as longtime BLM land camper and
from other government-connected work. My most strong feedback is on
security and safety.

I camp on BLM land in the West several times a year and honor your staff.

My safety suggestions are based on my government work overseas.

My feedback to the draft EIS is organized in the following areas.

1 Population alternatives

The 100,000, 80,000 and 50,000 population levels are all acceptable to
me. The 50,000 population level works against BLM and DOI goals to
serve and educate the American people and visitors about the beauty of
our public lands and American values. The 50,000 population represents
a significant reduction in economic value for Nevada and the BLM
itself.

It would show that the BLM is not able to continue to expand the SRP
business nationally.


2 Cultural impacts


We expect BMORG to continue to work closely with the Pyramid Lake
Paiute Tribe to provide the best cultural and economic relationship
with Burning Man event participants. I believe that BMORG can develop
intensive participant education and orientation media to do so. I
believe Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe values should be actively explored
for much deeper incorporation into the Burning Man culture. It could
be an education for international visitors as well. I have been
influenced in my thinking by local tribal values.


3 Transportation


I fall in the middle of the debate that the Burning Man organizers
already pay enough or need to pay more.


I believe for safety reasons, NV34 should be widened to a minimum of 3
lanes to the NV447 Y to North and South. That would allow improved
emergency evacuation where outbound vehicles could be staged on NV447
North.


I would suggest that the Burning Man organizers finance municipal
bonds for the construction cost of widening the road. If the Burning
Man event corporation ceases, the servicing of the bonds would pass to
the county.


Ongoing maintenance would be covered within the existing event
payments. A possibility is that the NV34 segment between gate entrance
and vendor entrance may have a different maintenance funding mechanism
in the event vendor cost structure.



4 Carbon Emissions


I realize this question is not in style today in the executive
structure, but is supported by the majority of Americans, well
supported by reputable polls.


It was not addressed in the draft EIS, but I believe detailed carbon
emission accounting, including air flight extending to the county of
origin, car rental, buses and Burning Man airport, along with
generators and fire be tracked and reported annually.


5 Participant and community safety


My strongest comment is that it is simply not possible to provide
executive-level, Secret Service-level, or assured senior
government-level personal security at the event.


If you need security, do not come.


High level protection agencies professionals may see it as a challenge
to be overcome at infinite cost. But the answer is for any individual
with extreme security requirements to simply not attend. It is a
public event with anonymous participants in an unstructured
environment. Statistically, it is one of the safest cities and it has
a culture of community safety.


I have worked overseas on behalf of agencies. Any security
professional will say that there is no complete protection even at
infinite cost. The most effective protection is simply to not
participate in locations that are not secure. Burning Man can never be
made secure.


Therefore barriers and intrusive search for weapons cannot succeed and
should not be considered.


I believe that increased focus by GPE and redundant technical
surveillance measures can negate the physical barrier proposal.


Burning Man has a strong culture of orienting its participants. To the
concern of firearms, I would suggest well publicized licensed firearm
storage businesses on the few vehicle routes in.


I would be in favor of the strongest prosecution charges, well
publicized in advance, for guns entering the event.


It is not about gun rights, it is about the psychological orientation
of law enforcement, armed; meet and greet verses threat orientation.


On illegal drugs, there is a profound divergence of fundamental values
between a small but significant number of participants and applicable
law.


I believe participants are on the watch and are backed by rangers to
prevent every and all self-harm and harm to others associated with
illegal drugs.


I believe the detailed medical statistics support the fact that
illegal drugs are not a health problem.


That being said, I believe that Pershing County and the Burning Man
Community are capable of embracing one another’s values and mutually
supporting one another, rather than being adversaries.


I agree that BLM has been stressed in Western coverage by assigning
rangers to the event, drawing down staffing regionally. I share this
concern. I visit BM lands often and I value BLM staff supporting it. I
believe the BLM can reduce on-Playa staffing from existing and work
with the Burning Man Organization to increase Black Rock Ranger double
numbers and training. At doubling, Black Rock Ranger numbers could
increase at 10x the BLM ranger proposed increase The integrated
on-playa communication system extends the reach of the real BLM/event
mission, safety.


I welcome this public process to participate in our Western lands policy."
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed May 01, 2019 5:14 am

“I have worked overseas on behalf of agencies. Any security
professional will say that there is no complete protection even at
infinite cost. The most effective protection is simply to not
participate in locations that are not secure. Burning Man can never be
made secure.“



dude,

Ivanka (marvel) was REALLY looking forward to showing off her Gamora Cosplay Street Cred.

you just ruined it.

all that green make-up will go to waste now.
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by some seeing eye » Sun May 05, 2019 12:00 pm

BTW, the problem of trash on exodus is solvable. The trash on the road and wrecked trailers are cleaned up by the BORG, so that is solved. BxB I believe has trash drop off included in the price, if not, it could be.

So the remaining problem to be solved is only the 27,000 vehicle pass holders. They are reachable if they are original purchasers through the burner profile, and could be reminded outbound by walking the parked pulse lines, the Twitter feed, a flyer of trash drop locations, and BMIR.

Make it easy for them at a few easy-off/easy-on locations, charge a nominal fee to cover a 24hr attendant/fee collector, and subsidize it in the vehicle pass fee. Hey, serve free coffee at some of the locations! Big box stores, casinos with buffets, fueling stops, car washes. It's off-playa, so commodifying trash is OK, right? :)

I believe there were recycling reuse drop offs for bikes, camping equipment, monkey hut materials and non-perishable food. How has that been going? Burners sometimes may have playa-brain believing their broken tent has value.

Does the placement application require an outbound waste disposal plan, and a camper outbound waste education plan?
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Token » Sun May 05, 2019 2:14 pm

That would only address some of the outbound trash problems. Keyword:some.

If you check the Reno boards and discussions, there is a massive inbound trash problem that is ignored and a major concern for residents along the route into the event.

The BORG did a good job on-Playa, for the most part, with the LNT, but they epic fail outside BRC.

It is known.

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by some seeing eye » Sun May 05, 2019 5:03 pm

^
I would be interested to hear about the inbound problem. In my opinion, stores should be responsible for excess packaging and single use packaging. I believe there is a precedent for that in Germany.

If it's just a bunch of anonymous online complainers who hate the event, I'm not sure I believe this idea.
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Token » Sun May 05, 2019 6:08 pm

some seeing eye wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 5:03 pm
^
... I believe there is a precedent for that in Germany.

If it's just a bunch of anonymous online complainers who hate the event, I'm not sure I believe this idea.
Hahaha, yeah, there is also precedent of no speed limits on the highways in Germany. ;) How about something closer to home?

It’s on the Reno reddit if you care to see. Folks who work and shop at the same plazas burners swarm pre-event. Keystone, Walmart, etc.

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by lucky420 » Sun May 05, 2019 6:48 pm

Token wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 2:14 pm
That would only address some of the outbound trash problems. Keyword:some.

If you check the Reno boards and discussions, there is a massive inbound trash problem that is ignored and a major concern for residents along the route into the event.

The BORG did a good job on-Playa, for the most part, with the LNT, but they epic fail outside BRC.

It is known.
Oh it’s totally known. Bout the only time of year I feel cringy with a BM sticker on my car
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by lucky420 » Sun May 05, 2019 7:05 pm

There’s a large portion that love burners and a large portion that certainly don’t. Whenever it’s in the news, the ones who don’t care for us make sure to let their feelings be known, loudly.

The mayor and city council of Reno are pro BM and I believe most of Sparks city council is as well. That just pisses off the conservatives though :D
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by some seeing eye » Mon May 06, 2019 6:24 am

I hear you on the inbound problem. We encourage burners to get rid of excess packaging inbound.

It's common for large stores to have plastic bag recycling for walk-in customers, my local grocery does. They all have internal cardboard recycling, so manage customer cardboard for a few days. I've been known on small items to ask the cashier to take the packaging on the spot in my town.

If someone is flying in and buying a tent, bike and cooler, and stores are having their biggest sales days in the year, bigger than December holidays, there is enough money sloshing around to take care the inbound problem. IMO

Burners are trainable, so think proper inbound waste disposal at stores is solvable.

Outbound I would like to see a program to train camps and individual campers to separate their waste on-playa to make it easy to recycle properly at specifically identified points, like the Reservation, the Fernley dump, select gas stations, big box stores, casinos, etc.

Most burners are from cities that have recycling, so it is not a difficult concept.

The BORG never tried, now it has to be done. I also agree that there are going to be Burning Man haters who can never be won over, but removing this complaint can be done and should be done.
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by ygmir » Mon May 06, 2019 6:39 am

some seeing eye wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 5:03 pm
^
I would be interested to hear about the inbound problem. In my opinion, stores should be responsible for excess packaging and single use packaging. I believe there is a precedent for that in Germany.

jeebus.......really? How about asshats be responsible for dropping garbage and littering?
Germany? how does that even matter?
Why do people so often want to pass responsibility and cost to "business"? How about personal responsibility?

The ORG may well do an "ok" cleanup job along the route the from the playa to Wadsworth, but, the trash along the highway extends at least 100 miles beyond. Every year I attend, I note crap along the road, all the way home. Let alone the trashed bathrooms at most public places along the way, and the overflowing dumpsters and garbage cans, both public and private, as all the "aware" hippies exit the sacred playa and go right back to "whatever is easy"...
lucky420 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:05 pm
There’s a large portion that love burners and a large portion that certainly don’t. Whenever it’s in the news, the ones who don’t care for us make sure to let their feelings be known, loudly.

The mayor and city council of Reno are pro BM and I believe most of Sparks city council is as well. That just pisses off the conservatives though :D
I'd propose many who don't like BM are as liberal as you. I've heard much angst from my leftist friends, related to BM, and the carbon footprint, trash, commercialism, waste of resources, diversity, not getting in free, abuse of tribal lands, etc etc.
Is it not ok to make their feelings known, loudly? I mean, OWS...etc, etc......

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by lucky420 » Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 am

Settle down skillet, that last line was mostly a joke. You remember jokes, right? YMMV xoxo


And from where I gathered my last line; it’s usually from more a few of the locals here (Reno) spouting hate for the “leftist” mayor and her cronies that I see in the comments section in the local news here in Reno. Hence my statement, which was said really in jest. :coffee:
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by some seeing eye » Mon May 06, 2019 7:25 am

Good morning!
ygmir wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 6:39 am
some seeing eye wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 5:03 pm
^
I would be interested to hear about the inbound problem. In my opinion, stores should be responsible for excess packaging and single use packaging. I believe there is a precedent for that in Germany.


Why do people so often want to pass responsibility and cost to "business"?
You can call me a radical capitalist. I believe businesses should price in their externalities. Otherwise we have socialism for business, where society, rather than the business customer, pays the externalized costs.

I'm all for personal responsibility, too!

If Walmart wants to have a BM surcharge, or the BORG pays for waste depots through the vehicle pass, or Walmart wants to use their own resources to keep their parking lots clean, or BM places a legion of volunteers at Walmart to separate waste, that would be great.

Personally, I'm an environmental radical too. So I believe excess packaging is an externality of the business. But there is a good argument that bad burner behavior is also an externality of the Burning Man event corporation business and so should be priced in.

To:Lucky, local news outlet comment sections are the bottom of the barrel, thus always good for a laugh! Eventually the ~800 Draft EIS comments will become public and we will see how many people supported dumpsters at the event. If that gets in the final EIS, the BMORG will tie it up in the courts, and maybe even prevail, like they did with Pershing County. In any case, your local Reno knowledge is invaluable.
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Molotov » Mon May 06, 2019 6:51 pm

Yes filing a FOIA request for all comments on the EIS is bound to make for some interesting reading. Are BLM and other Feds eligible to send in their own comments in an off-duty average citizen role? That sounds like stacking the deck to me, if so.

Doesn't really matter though. BLM has already made up their mind, the rest of the process is fluff to give the impression they care about anybody's opinion but theirs. And it's just that, public opinions. This is not about the public taking a vote for the continued existence of Burning Man.

I have read some comments that this year's Burning Man is a go, since they can't process the EIS fast enough to make any impact this year. It will be bittersweet if I participate in the final event.

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Simon of the Playa » Tue May 07, 2019 5:47 am

“participate in the final event.”


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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Luigi » Tue May 07, 2019 10:56 am

This headline caught my eye this morning on the RGJ site:

"Man caught en-route to Burning Man with 'smorgasbord' of drugs in 2018 sentenced to 34 months"

The feds have a handful of nails for the coffin......here's one.
This is just a bit ridiculous. Not sure if he had a ticket, or where he was going. The story reeks.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/new- ... egal-drugs
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Post by Ratty » Tue May 07, 2019 1:25 pm

The story 'reeks' because the guy is a douche nozzle.
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by wraith » Thu May 09, 2019 1:41 am

Ratty wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 1:25 pm
The story 'reeks' because the guy is a douche nozzle.
Yup. The Playa is federal land, and the feds, state cops, county mounties, and any local they can find make it an easy week every year busting dumbasses who can't quite grasp that they're going to be paying attention to an event with the reputation for being a counterculture free for all and which they see as a revenue source.

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by some seeing eye » Mon May 20, 2019 12:13 pm

Here is some idle speculation - how is the BLM going to manage future lithium mining on the playa?

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/a ... th-valley/

The private land part of the playa by Gerlach has a lithium claim. If they start digging, all the Winter water is going to drain into the excavation making a huge dust bowl.

https://www.juniorminingnetwork.com/jun ... evada.html

The Friends of Black Rock High Rock are aware.
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Token » Mon May 20, 2019 3:40 pm

Holy Batman Shit Sandwich! SSE, are you like fearmongering on some kind of long-con culture jam?

The Nevada article is from 2016 ... so if they found Li out there it would have been in production by now.

The Death Valley article has absolutely Dick to do with NV or BM. It’s way far away.

So, what the fuck was the point of all this?

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Token » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:03 am

For folks inclined, EIS content is updated on the BLM site. Comments from agencies are published.

This is some interesting reading that can help with understanding the motivation of the folks with influence.

Cooperating and Other Governmental Agency Comments on the Draft EIS

Bottom of the page - PDF files for your enjoyment.

https://eplanning.blm.gov/epl-front-off ... eId=139649

Warning: some of these were written by folks who don’t understand paragraphs, punctuation or grammar... ;)

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by motskyroonmatick » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:47 pm

some seeing eye wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 12:13 pm
Here is some idle speculation - how is the BLM going to manage future lithium mining on the playa?

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/a ... th-valley/

The private land part of the playa by Gerlach has a lithium claim. If they start digging, all the Winter water is going to drain into the excavation making a huge dust bowl.

https://www.juniorminingnetwork.com/jun ... evada.html

The Friends of Black Rock High Rock are aware.
Lithium would be "mined" by drilling wells and the lithium rich brine extracted for processing through them. It would not be a pit mine. It might make the Gerlach area look a bit more industrial and there might be evaporating ponds or it may not be economically viable to extract the resource for some time or ever.
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Just_Joe » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:43 am

motskyroonmatick wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:47 pm
some seeing eye wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 12:13 pm
Here is some idle speculation - how is the BLM going to manage future lithium mining on the playa?
Lithium would be "mined" by drilling wells and the lithium rich brine extracted for processing through them. It would not be a pit mine. It might make the Gerlach area look a bit more industrial and there might be evaporating ponds or it may not be economically viable to extract the resource for some time or ever.
I did a little poking around regarding their claims. These guys look like any of a large number of speculators that raise money by issuing tons of penny stock in order to "explore". If they hit anything, they typically sell the rights to a larger venture with the capital and expertise to develop. It's been close to two years with no news. Hopefully that means that mining the area isn't financially viable.

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by some seeing eye » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:19 am

Just_Joe wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:43 am
I did a little poking around regarding their claims. These guys look like any of a large number of speculators that raise money by issuing tons of penny stock in order to "explore". If they hit anything, they typically sell the rights to a larger venture with the capital and expertise to develop. It's been close to two years with no news. Hopefully that means that mining the area isn't financially viable.
I think you may be right, I think that group is now invested in legal cannabis. But the insatiable demand for lithium could revive mining in the area in the future.
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Token » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:04 am

Li got allot of hype because of batteries, but overall is not in a demand crisis.

Most high-producing nations are friendly, Australia, Chile ...

Geo-politicals drive prices way more than any local availability concerns.

Rare-earth minerals is where the squeeze is being applied since China has vast control of the market.

If you like to stay informed on mineral “wars”, rare-earths is where it’s at.

Lots of old mines reopening in the US since prices made it economically viable to extract again.

Tariffs. Just pure poetry for speculators.

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Lonesomebri » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:42 am

This week I am staying at a KOA campground overflowing with wholesome families, children on bikes everywhere, rednecks showing off motorized toys they bought, retirees in $500,000 multi bathroom rv's, hot showers, flush toilets, water and electrical hookup, Wi-Fi, my sewage gets pumped every morning as part of the deal, I can watch the evening news on the big screen tv thru the picture window on the neighbor's winnebago, an interspecies petting zoo, separate trash and recycling bins, and they sell both ice and beer. I was going to stay a full week but the weekend was already sold out, so I just got 4 nights. A space does open up halfway thru my stay, allowing me to move there, and stay 2 more days, but it was a premium drive-thru space, room for side pop-outs, with cable tv hook-up provided, at twice the price as my 26 ft. back-in space. I couldn't justify that added cost, not without some sort of DJ provided to rock the party, so I check out on Friday, and then I'm off to Coachella!!!!

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by dpsrch » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:00 am

The new EIS was posted this morning. It proposes the ten year permit with 80,000 population cap.

https://eplanning.blm.gov/epl-front-off ... eId=139649

You can find the mitigation changes in Appendix E:

https://eplanning.blm.gov/epl-front-off ... S_Vol2.pdf

1. No dumpsters in 2019.
2. Trash dispersal outside of BRC will be monitored to determine if dumpsters will be required in 2020 onward.
3. No physical barriers around the perimeter. However, the use of "trash fence" was changed to "perimeter."
4. 3rd party security inspectors required.

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Token » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:59 am

Darn, I was hoping for a rollback to 50K population cap ...

Bummer.

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by some seeing eye » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:19 pm

I was able to do a quick scan. There is plenty of fodder for endless ePlaya discussion in it.

Here is an odd one, the combination of increasing the number of vehicle passes while keeping the population the same and increasing airport costs.

I would speculate without any inside information that BxB and BxA expansion was driven by factors: 1 - complying with Nevada highway patrol limits on vehicles per hour in anticipation of increasing the population cap. 2 - enabling fly-in burners.

I believe the EIS lifted the vehicle pass number from 27,000 to 35,000. (It is possible the extra 8,000 vehicle permits were already there, like the 10,000 staff and volunteer tickets.)

Because of the large number of commercial flights, NDOT is requiring full airport firefighting capability, a cost. And they are requiring some helicopter landing improvements. Why is it essential we need to land helicopters at all?

This would be a perfect opportunity to pause the growth of Bx* and reexamine the impact on culture.
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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Molotov » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:33 pm

I believe the ESD contracted firefighters and equipment at the airport will meet the firefighting requirements, They have at least one dedicated, high capacity engine that must stay there with crew.

Perhaps the thing I have the largest objection to is the contracted third-party security screeners will be hired by BLM, NOT BRC, and of course, that cost, including overhead expenses, will be passed on to BRC. There are bound to be growing pains in implementing this screening, and will no doubt result in even more delays to entry by participants. All violations, including banned or illegal contraband and "significant concerns" (whatever that means) will be turned over to law enforcement for action.

Screening starts 14 days before Labor Day, so will no doubt impact those arriving builders, volunteer staff, and vendors transporting items to the playa.

There are a butt-load of other requirements, many of which will involve distributing educational leaflets to entering participants, A real waste of paper produced from natural resources, and many of the brochures are going to end up as MOOP or landfill. If you thought you get a stack of stuff from greeters now, wait until that kicks in.

This is a huge document, with many sacred oxen being gored, and pretty much everyone will find at least a couple of things that will piss them off. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth shall ensue.

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Re: 10 Yr Environmental Impact Statement (Includes Relating to Culture)

Post by Elliot » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:01 pm

dpsrch wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:00 am
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3. No physical barriers around the perimeter. However, the use of "trash fence" was changed to "perimeter."
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"PHS-3* BRC will be required to implement physical perimeter barriers and controls (e.g., Jersey barriers and K-rail fence) to reduce the risk of unauthorized entry to the Event. This will be done concurrent with city and perimeter fence construction."

What I read is that "physical perimeter barriers" will not be installed concurrent with perimeter fence. (That concurrence was struck out, as was the Jersey/K-rail concrete blocks.) The two not being done at the same time... suggests they will be two different structures.
(The trash fence does nothing to slow motor vehicles. Emergency vehicles drive right thru it when they need to.)

But yeah... at this level of bureaucracy... reading comprehension is not an exact science.

Also....
About private security contracted by the BLM working the Gate... I find nothing that specifies whether they will replace the GP&E Department, or supplement them. Also, I find no reference to personnel on Perimeter. Anybody find such details?
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