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In the event of cancellation...

Post by ryfi » Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:18 pm

So, as the administration said today they expect this thing to be around til at least Jul-Aug. If the event gets cancelled, is there any indication from the Org if there will be refunds on tickets, or that the tickets will be used for 2021? Was planning on participating in the FOMO sale Wednesday, but if a cancellation means I'm out that money, I will just wait for next year.

Thoughts?

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by XPTom » Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:21 pm

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by some seeing eye » Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:48 pm

The future is the hardest thing to predict.

In past years, the ticket fine print has said no refunds.

There are a huge number of hidden moving interlocking parts, that are only known to the organizers, each with their own timelines, to make the event happen. They do have money in the bank, which is good for long term survival of the event.

People who have been going longer than I have believe that secondary market tickets may be more available in August than past years. But they are only useful if you can buy them securely from a person you already know and trust.
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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by surfnturf » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:16 pm

For my business, I go to a lot of professional meetings and trade shows. Most have been cancelled due to COVID-19 and have refunded any registration fees. Some that are scheduled this summer encourage folks to register and clearly state the registration will be refunded if the event is cancelled. I am happy to support Burning Man with the higher priced tickets in the FOMO sale and am thankful I have the ability to do that. But, like every other organization with the same degree of uncertainty, it seems the Org could provide some statement as to refunds prior to the FOMO sale. If there are, in fact, "no refunds" even with a virus-relate cancellation, then they should state that...or even if they are thinking about them...that would help. Can we have some guidance please? Thanks

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by Lightspeed » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:52 am

surfnturf wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:16 pm
For my business, I go to a lot of professional meetings and trade shows. Most have been cancelled due to COVID-19 and have refunded any registration fees. Some that are scheduled this summer encourage folks to register and clearly state the registration will be refunded if the event is cancelled. I am happy to support Burning Man with the higher priced tickets in the FOMO sale and am thankful I have the ability to do that. But, like every other organization with the same degree of uncertainty, it seems the Org could provide some statement as to refunds prior to the FOMO sale. If there are, in fact, "no refunds" even with a virus-relate cancellation, then they should state that...or even if they are thinking about them...that would help. Can we have some guidance please? Thanks
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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by xmoanix » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:00 pm

I agree. It would be nice to have some updates about what may come. Main sale starts in few weeks, or will it be pushed back? :shock: :?:

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by ryfi » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:24 pm

xmoanix wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:00 pm
I agree. It would be nice to have some updates about what may come. Main sale starts in few weeks, or will it be pushed back? :shock: :?:
Well, I just got tickets in the FOMO sale. They sent out an email yesterday before the sale that stated:
Thank you for registering for the FOMO Sale.

We recognize it may feel odd going forward with a ticket sale at such a strange and difficult time. And yet, we believe we will be able to build our beloved city in the desert this August, so we are continuing to plan and prepare. Here is our statement on the coronavirus, which we will update soon as more information becomes available. You can also get the latest about what’s happening across the Burning Man community and with Black Rock City by subscribing to the Jackrabbit Speaks and reading the Burning Man Journal. Read on for more details about how the FOMO Sale will work.
The links just go to what they have already released:
Burning Man Project is closely monitoring developments related to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). Based on our current understanding of the situation, we believe our 2020 Burning Man event in Black Rock City will take place as planned, and we are preparing accordingly. The safety of our participants and extended global community is of the utmost importance, and we encourage 2020 Black Rock City participants to take necessary precautions as they plan their camps and projects in the coming months. We will share related Burning Man updates with the community as needed.

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by ahartman » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:31 pm

DGS sales have already occured and monies been transferred. Presumably also with fees paid to credit cards agencies, etc.

1) if the event is cancelled, will these monies be refunded?

2) with main sale coming up, will those tickets (if purchased) be refunded if event is cancelled?

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by Sham » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:53 pm

In the immortal words of Richard Nixon: let me say this about that.

First, I have zero inside info or say about anything related to tickets.

This ticket situation may be a perfect scenario for anyone who always wanted to attend Burning Man but could never score a ticket. My thought is that many people will be hesitant to buy tickets due to the fluid pandemic situation. Also, it's up in the air what will happen to money paid for tickets, since the org statement says money will not be refunded.

So here we are. Tickets will most likely be much easier to get this year. How bad do you want to attend? Are you willing to take a chance? An opportunity of a lifetime is before you. It's a fork in the road that requires a clear and level head. Do you have a strong constitution?

So there you have it. Ponder, discuss, postulate and come up with what you think will be the best option for you.

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by XPTom » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:02 am

Sham wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:53 pm

……..This ticket situation may be a perfect scenario for anyone who always wanted to attend Burning Man but could never score a ticket. My thought is that many people will be hesitant to buy tickets due to the fluid pandemic situation. …...
Big factor may be that many are burning through their "burn money" right now. One or to months without pay will ruin plans.
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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by lucky420 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:31 am

XPTom wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:02 am
Sham wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:53 pm

……..This ticket situation may be a perfect scenario for anyone who always wanted to attend Burning Man but could never score a ticket. My thought is that many people will be hesitant to buy tickets due to the fluid pandemic situation. …...
Big factor may be that many are burning through their "burn money" right now. One or to months without pay will ruin plans.
Agree with XPTom, and yeah great gamble if they don’t/won’t refund your money. And bmorg just adding the extra explicit wording of no refunds even in the event of a pandemic, we’ll grab the dice and take a chance...

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by Ratty » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:01 am

The only thing I know right now is...I'll go if they have it.
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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by Canoe » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:16 am

Ratty wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:01 am
The only thing I know right now is...I'll go if they have it.
Be interesting if there's an outbreak in BRC, and they quarantine everyone "shelter in place" for ____ weeks.
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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by Ratty » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:50 am

Those aren't buttermilk biscuits I'm lying on Savannah

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by lucky420 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:31 am

Canoe wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:16 am
Ratty wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:01 am
The only thing I know right now is...I'll go if they have it.
Be interesting if there's an outbreak in BRC, and they quarantine everyone "shelter in place" for ____ weeks.
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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by RisenPhoenix71 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:34 pm

I have tix. I will be home even if I am the only one building a city. Might just move onto Fly Ranch and call it done.

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Post by Elderberry » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:40 pm

From what I hear, there won't be any refunds, however the tickets will be honored at the 2021 burn.
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Post by unjonharley » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:20 am

Have money in hand for low income ticket .. Waiting for e mail to send money ..
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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by DavyRay » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:37 pm

This afternoon a thought leaped into my head.
We should get the CDC to test the effects of playa dust on this nasty stuff.
I'll bet the dust wins.
There is lots of hugging in BRC, but everything and almost everyone is coated in playa dust.
Playa dust with daytime temperatures at 100 degrees F. Hmmm.
Should I suggest this to the org?

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Post by thnkfl » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:50 pm

I have a feeling this may be one of the best burns in years if covid keeps away the jocks and socialites.
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Post by Elderberry » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:36 pm

DavyRay wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:37 pm
This afternoon a thought leaped into my head.
We should get the CDC to test the effects of playa dust on this nasty stuff.
I'll bet the dust wins.
There is lots of hugging in BRC, but everything and almost everyone is coated in playa dust.
Playa dust with daytime temperatures at 100 degrees F. Hmmm.
Should I suggest this to the org?
Hmmm. Definitely something to consider.
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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by shilohdog » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:48 am

I think it goes without saying that in the best interest of everyone and DOING THE RIGHT AND RESPONSIBLE THING burning man borg should postpone all ticket sales and not add to the overall nightmare that is facing the human population as a picture in time. Also,I belive everyone should approach buying tickets very very carefully with the full expections/belief the event will be canceled for 2020 ... that is based on the fact the government has the final say,not borg. Plus, it would be morally and deceitfully WRONG for borg to take money from people during these times. After all,people are out of work and this money is not simply something folks will be able to just give away or forget. In closing, I think credit card companies and the courts may also not take kindness to borg by proceeding with tickets sales in light of the current health crisses facing the human race as a whole. I know borg has that warning about refunds,but courts do not always side - uphold it , and credit card companies have views on it too. So, I think it behooves borg to HOLD OFF ON TICKET SALES ... In the spirt of deliberate indifference of the law / procedures. Stay safe and healthy.

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Post by lucky420 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:23 pm

The summer Olympics have been postponed a year. C’mon Marion put the official word out sooner than later. This is embarrassing
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Post by DoctorIknow » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:19 pm

DUH!

Is there ANYONE claiming with graphs/statistics or whatever that there will be no cases of infection worldwide come July when the first workers are setting up BRC?

What are they waiting for?

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by shilohdog » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:33 am

NOTE ! Lighting In Bottle (LIB) and other Burning Man events are cancelling or postponing (sic) and telling folks NO REFUNDS - THEY WILL GIVE THEM CREDIT next year ... LIB is telling / using the excuse " it's a family business " and therefore they cannot afford to give refunds ... Call your credit card companies - use the courts. Remember, next year fees/ ticket prices will probably be higher and you will have to pay / throw more good money after bad,/,spent money just to try to get back your money ... When you run a business - you have a risk factor - and it's not to push it on to the customer/s . What happen to the 10 principles ??? I have already heard so many unfortunate stores about folks who are paying credit card charges for tickets they cannot afford and not able to use - what little money they have is being used to pay for tickets, instead of paying for needed supplies . Hopefully, event organizers do the right thing for these unfortunate folks and their families. Stay safe and healthy everyone

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by unjonharley » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:23 am

shilohdog wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:33 am
NOTE ! Lighting In Bottle (LIB) and other Burning Man events are cancelling or postponing (sic) and telling folks NO REFUNDS - THEY WILL GIVE THEM CREDIT next year ... LIB is telling / using the excuse " it's a family business " and therefore they cannot afford to give refunds ... Call your credit card companies - use the courts. Remember, next year fees/ ticket prices will probably be higher and you will have to pay / throw more good money after bad,/,spent money just to try to get back your money ... When you run a business - you have a risk factor - and it's not to push it on to the customer/s . What happen to the 10 principles ??? I have already heard so many unfortunate stores about folks who are paying credit card charges for tickets they cannot afford and not able to use - what little money they have is being used to pay for tickets, instead of paying for needed supplies . Hopefully, event organizers do the right thing for these unfortunate folks and their families. Stay safe and healthy everyone


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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by shilohdog » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:46 pm

Unjohnharley,

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by Sham » Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:13 pm

shilohdog wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:46 pm
Unjohnharley,

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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by Elderberry » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:09 pm

shilohdog wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:33 am
NOTE ! Lighting In Bottle (LIB) and other Burning Man events are cancelling or postponing (sic) and telling folks NO REFUNDS - THEY WILL GIVE THEM CREDIT next year ... LIB is telling / using the excuse " it's a family business " and therefore they cannot afford to give refunds ... Call your credit card companies - use the courts. Remember, next year fees/ ticket prices will probably be higher and you will have to pay / throw more good money after bad,/,spent money just to try to get back your money ... When you run a business - you have a risk factor - and it's not to push it on to the customer/s . What happen to the 10 principles ??? I have already heard so many unfortunate stores about folks who are paying credit card charges for tickets they cannot afford and not able to use - what little money they have is being used to pay for tickets, instead of paying for needed supplies . Hopefully, event organizers do the right thing for these unfortunate folks and their families. Stay safe and healthy everyone
You're more than a bit off. First, they aren't a family company, they are an Incorporated non-profit organization.

Second, if you know going in that there will be no refunds, you don't have a leg to stand on in court. Now it's totally a donation you made to a charity. You can deduct the entire amount on your taxes.

Third, the situation is fluid and not giving refunds is not set in stone.

It's too early to know anything for sure, but if you check out the Burning Man journal you can read their latest statement on where things are at this point in time.
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Re: In the event of cancellation...

Post by XPTom » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:39 am

Anybody here have any insight into what United Site Services is thinking about this mess? Seems to me the folks who sanitize 1700 porta potties have a big seat at the table this year.
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