israel, judaism, jews and zionism

[can't sit still]

Corwin, you wrote NOOB even though it says under my name that I joined in 2005. I suppose that this defines your powers of observation. You wrote "racist" when the jews are a religion, not a race. I guess this defines your powers of discernment.
" pretentious and arrogant that's just how I am."
Are there any other attributes that you would like to add to your personal profile?

""I'm right, you're wrong" rants everyone always rambles" No rants on this thread. Followed by "You're all delusional" That qualifies as a rant.
You're going to have to say something that makes sense to a bunch of rational grownups. If you post nothing but derogatory banter, deflection and dismissal, you are not among your peers.

[Corwin]

Oh, I had no idea I was in the presence of rational grown-ups.

I'll leave you to your inciting of the pogrom.

[DVD Burner]

Search begins for settler who allegedly killed Arab teen

* Published 01:18 16.05.10
* Latest update 01:18 16.05.10


By Avi Issacharoff, Anshel Pfeffer and Chaim Levinson

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... n-1.290550


A Palestinian youth was shot and killed in the West Bank by an Israeli Thursday night, while Israeli soldiers shot dead a 75-year-old Palestinian near the border fence with the Gaza Strip Friday. One more Palestinian was injured in the shooting near the Strip.

The incident in which 15-year-old Aysar Zaban, from a village near Ramallah, was shot dead, occurred when youths pelted vehicles on Route 60 with stones. One driver stopped and fired on the stone throwers. They fled but Zaban was hit in the back.

Three hours later his body was found by family members. The youths did not immediately report the incident.

Israeli and Palestinian security forces carried out a joint investigation of the shooting.

Haaretz has learned that at around 7:30 P.M., two Israelis driving on the road reported to the Binyamin Regional Council's security hotline that a vehicle had stopped because of stone throwers and that three people came out, one armed with an M-16 rifle.

The Israel Defense Forces found stones on the road, but did not see anything unusual and left the area.

The security forces currently do not know the identities of the three Israelis, and are looking for them.

As part of the Israeli-Palestinian investigation, police found many shells from a light weapon at the scene where the youth's body was found. The evidence fit the testimonies of the stone throwers who had reported that a number of shots were fired.

The Palestinian police also recovered the bullet from the youth's body at the hospital and delivered it to the Israel Police for forensic analysis.

Israeli and Palestinian officers are scheduled to meet today to discuss the findings.

The fact that the Palestinians agreed to carry out an autopsy, which led to the recovery of the bullet, is in itself a rare event.

Several hours after the incident, shots were fired at Israeli vehicles; at least one woman suffered minor injuries from broken glass.

The incident occurred at around 6:45 P.M., near where the earlier shooting had taken place.

The driver and a passenger continued heading toward the settlement of Ofra after their vehicle was hit.

The IDF found shells and identified the position from which the shots were fired.

The head of the Civil Administration, Brig. Gen. Yoav Mordechai, called senior Palestinian officers and asked them to help keep the situation calm.

Part of Fatah's Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, the Imad Mughniyeh group, claimed responsibility for the attack. The group is believed to be receiving support from Hezbollah.

On Friday, Palestinian sources said that 75-year-old Fuad Abu Matar was shot by Israeli soldiers near the border fence with Gaza. The sources said a 22-year-old was wounded in the shooting.

Medical officials in Gaza said Abu Matar's body was found yesterday and that he had been shot several times. His family had reported him missing for two days, they said.

IDF sources said a man was spotted at around 11 P.M. on Friday night approaching the fence, and troops fired warning shots toward him.

The sources said the man continued moving toward the fence, and more shots were fired, including a mortar round that probably killed him.

The IDF said it was not clear why the elderly man approached the fence. They later discovered that he was unarmed, and there is no information linking him to a militant group.

The IDF has been enforcing a 300-meter no-entry zone near the fence on the Palestinian side. Any Palestinian crossing that zone, armed or not, is considered suspicious, and warning shots are fired toward them. At what is considered a "firing range" on the Palestinian side, the soldiers are ordered to shoot at the person.

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[can't sit still]

Well, things are heating up. Turkey has evidently moved it's missile batteries so that they would defend Syria and Iran.... against an attack from Israel.
http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/News ... anguage=en
Asia is sick and tired of israel and it's puppet, America. They want to set their own policy. Central Asia is rich and Turkey in particular is an old empire that doesn't like Anglo-American domination. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~gov46/ottoman-empire-1580.gif
The batteries couldn't be expected to be very effective against israeli aircraft but, it does send a message. Turkey has drawn a line in the sand. Israel can't very well afford to piss off the entire region. They already have most of central Asia against them.

SPECULATION
The entire American political system is under israeli control. Shimon Peres was very clear in spelling this out. The puppet masters believe that they can control the U.S. military from the political base. The former head of the U.S. military war college went on record stating that the U.S. military KNOWS that MOSSAD pulled off 9/11.
OK, let's say that the military is sick and tired of being used as a blunt instrument against israel's enemies. They intensely hate the whole 9/11 attack,,, just like the FDNY.

The military can't act independently against D.C. [Rahm Emanuelle], so, they take the oblique approach. I've spoken to officers in the Turkish military. They're a smart bunch.
Turkey is VERY important strategically. They control the Straights of Bosporus. This is the only access to the Black Sea in Russia where most of the warm-water ports are.
http://blacksea-education.ru/images/map.jpg

The U.S. military could easily encourage Turkey to act as a checkmate to israel. This would counter any move by israel to attack Iran. The U/S. military knows that the fleet can all be sunk by advanced Russian missiles like the "Sunburn" . Turkey may be causing a bit more peace,,, until the Americans get their LASER weapons perfected to where they will take out supersonic Russian missiles.

The U.S. military would like very much to throw off the israeli yoke. I don't see it happening soon.
The Trilateral Commission is the group that called for a New Pearl Harbor before 9/11. They now say that Iran is a BIG impediment to world GOV.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/trilateral- ... -iran.html
Interesting article.

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I was thinking about the internet. It's obviously a big soapbox. The asset that I think is the key is "retribution"... the absence of it. For the most part, one can say whatever one wants without fear of retribution. Sure, there's plenty of hate speech. I think that on the balance, there is FAR more truth appearing rather than hate.
Hundreds of years ago, the christians were in the drivers-seat when it came to retribution.
"The Spaniards inflicted upon us the worst superstition the world has ever known: the Catholic religion. For this alone they should all be shot.

- - - Francisco 'Pancho' Villa"
http://trueheretic.blogspot.com/2010/05 ... of_18.html
The Inquisition is well documented. The Jesuit order was founded,,, The Army of Jesus. There were a lot of jews and muslims that converted at the point of a sword. It took centuries for the secular leaders to throw the pope out of politics.
Israel is at the tough point where there aren't really any secular leaders to counter balance the religious leaders. We just saw where Livni tried to "out terror" Netanyahu.
We see where Iran has both a secular leader and a religious leader. They have some balance.
Ever since Gamel Attaturk, Turkey has been adamant that the country remains secular. Since religious leaders only answer to god, they always screw the pooch. ALL theocracies are crap. A theocracy with nukes is the worst.

The christians, after jesus, increasingly deferred retribution to god. he would get all the bad people in the after life. retribution was deferred.
The jews, on the other hand prefer to mete out retribution right NOW. Bernie Made-off got his.
Judge Goldstein, who ruled that operation "Cast Lead" was indeed war crimes, is now the object of jewish persecution. http://www.vosizneias.com/55566/2010/05 ... e-from-u-s

It appears that ALL power groups try to hand out retribution. Pat Tillman got his;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman

Various groups are pushing "hate crime" laws to increase the amount of retribution that they can slap on people. Holocaust-denial fits into the same category as the "Peace Prize" for obummer.
If you really think about it retribution or the fear of it is a paralytic for society. The power groups will always have a soap box. Suppression of free speech is far more damaging to society than hate speech. The key is the removal of retribution.

[Corwin]

"I think that on the balance, there is FAR more truth appearing rather than hate. "

I think this line pretty much sums it up...

The internet is known for its overabundance of truths isn't it?

[can't sit still]

Corwin, if you remove the porn sites, a huge percentage of sites are technical. All the disciplines of science are represented on the net. All the facets of literature, art and music. Some sites may make you scratch your head;
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=ca
But, in the main, most sites are trying to publish truth. Religion and politics are another question.

[Simon of the Playa]

[DVD Burner]

The Failure of the American Jewish Establishment

What cracks me up about the article is how the author and professors cant figure out why things are the way they are.

[can't sit still]

Simon, Corwin, we're in the information age. Post some information. Weak attempts to divert attention with tin-foil hats and ridicules about conspiracy is a feeble reply.
To paraphrase Tina Turner;" gentlemen,remember you're in the E-Playa . The devil is watching"
You're not going to impress the intelligentsia of the Bay area with silly diversions.
Here's something to work on; israel has been convicted of war crimes by the United Nations. Can you come up with some kind of justification or rationalization that would mitigate or lighten the guilt? Any kind of rational explanation??
If you can't come up with a true explanation, I'll accept plausible lies.

[Simon of the Playa]

If you can't come up with a true explanation, I'll accept plausible lies.

thats quite obvious, mr. rense.com

[Corwin]

Woah, now not only am I dealing with rational grown-ups, I'm also dealing with the self-proclaimed INTELLIGENTSIA FOR THE BAY AREA.

Shiiiiiit man, I'm way out of my depth. You've convinced me that the internet is full of porn and facts. But what you're missing in your copy and pasted articles from those reliable websites is the biggest Jewish threat of all. Not many know of the truth behind the Great Pyramids. Even the Egyptians are oblivious. I get this information from very reliable internet sources.

http://www.stormfront.org/
http://www.answering-christianity.com/jews.htm
http://www.kkk.com/
http://www.whitenationalist.info/forums/index.php

They all agree with you...

And what might you ask is the great secret? Well as we all know jews built the great Pyramids. But people always ask, how was that possible in such an ancient time? THE ANSWER?!

The jews hired Aliens to help them build the Pyramids and install nuclear warheads and launching devices deep inside so that 4000 years later they could destroy the world in 2012 and take it over, making earth a fully Jewish planet.

THEY MUST BE STOPPED D:

[Trishntek]

,,,they could destroy the world in 2012 and take it over, making earth a fully Jewish planet.

Both of them?

[can't sit still]

I asked for a specific explanation about a specific incident. True to form, you reply with diversion and derision. You continue to meet my expectations. Corwin, as usual, you maintain high standards. You said "self-proclaimed". Once again, you missed the city next to my name. I don't live in the bay area.
Obviously, you 2 are convinced of your convictions. Logically, you're must be pounding the keys to convince others. That's where the logic ends.

OK, if logic is a bridge too far,,, how about opinion. Turkey has moved their missiles to protect Iran and Syria. What do you think about that? Russia is going to deliver 300 SAMs to Iran. What do you think about that? http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/mi ... 81444.html

Brazil and Turkey are going to take the nuclear fuel from Iran to defuse the situation. What do you think about that? Do you think that Iran should be attacked anyway?

Do you think that it is in israel's best interest to be a strict theocracy? Do you think that all of Jerusalem should be under jewish control?
Opinions will do fine.

[bm_cricket]

...very reliable internet sources....

I like you. I guess you can stay.

[Simon of the Playa]

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/1 ... c_ev=click

[FIGJAM]

Once again i was right not to fuck with my diet.

[DVD Burner]

Australia expels Israeli diplomat over Dubai hit


(Reuters) - Australia's government said on Monday it had ordered the expulsion of an Israeli diplomat over the use of fake passports in the assassination of a top Hamas militant in Dubai in January.

Foreign Minister Stephen Smith said a police investigation had left no doubt Israeli intelligence services had been behind the forgery of four Australian passports used by suspects in the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in a Dubai hotel room.

"These investigations and advice have left the government in no doubt that Israel was responsible for the abuse and counterfeiting of these passports," Smith told Australia's parliament. "These are not the actions of a friend."

The Australian government ordered an inquiry into the fake passports by police and intelligence services, who visited Israel and found the four citizens involved had been innocent of any involvement.

"No government can tolerate the abuse of its passports, especially by a foreign government," Smith said. "This is not what we expect from a nation with whom we have had such a close, friendly and supportive relationship."

The government, he said, had asked that a member of Israel's Australian embassy in Canberra be withdrawn within a week. Australia and Israel are traditionally close allies and Smith said he expected relations to cool somewhat.

Dubai authorities have given names of alleged members of the team that tracked and killed the Palestinian, and said they used fraudulent British, Irish, French, German and Australian passports to enter and leave Dubai.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said in February there was no evidence to link his country to the killing, which also prompted Britain to expel an Israeli in March.

But Britain's then-government said an investigation by the country's Serious Organised Crime Agency had found 12 forged British passports were used in the hit, copied from genuine passports.

Four Australians -- Nicole McCabe, Joshua Bruce, Adam Korman and Joshua Krycer -- had their identities stolen and used in fake passports held by suspects believed to be involved in the assassination, Smith said.

Mabhouh, born in the Gaza Strip, had lived in Syria since 1989 and Israeli and Palestinian sources have said he played a key role in smuggling Iranian-funded arms to militants in Gaza.

Smith said the passport cloning operation used in his killing was of high quality and had obviously been state-backed.

"The decision was made much more in sorrow than in anger," he said. "The decision was made in our national security interests, made in support of the integrity of our passport system, made in efforts to protect Australians who travel overseas."

Authorities in Dubai had already been briefed on Australia's findings, he said, along with the other countries involved and close Australian and Israeli ally the United States.

(Additional reporting by James Grubel in Canberra; Editing by Ed Davies and Sugita Katyal)

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DVD, do you believe how sloppy MOSSAD has gotten ever since they pulled of their "grand slam" in New York? They figure that nobody can touch them so,,, they just ignored the surveillance cameras. VERY unprofessional.
They sure left a lot of loose ends in New York too. The former head of the U.S. war college, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, has come out publicly and said that "the military knows that MOSSAD executed 9/11.
Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all U.S. intelligence has also come out and said that the buildings in New York were brought down by explosives.
MOSSAD definitely needs to do something about their professionalism. Though you do have to give them credit, the New York attack was a VERY difficult job.

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Need more proof.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Another Reason I don't support a Hamas Run State!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100527/tp ... a8d4f.html


This Religion and its two evil sisters needs to fade from the earth!

AIIZ

[DVD Burner]

Another Reason I don't support a Hamas Run State!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100527/tp ... a8d4f.html


This Religion and its two evil sisters needs to fade from the earth!

AIIZ

Here are the facts, Israel and America created Hamass and the other radical factions. If it was not for Israel and America none of these guys would exist.

Just the way it is.

[DVD Burner]

Oh and damn it, I meant to add,


ALL RELIGIONS ARE EVIL AND NEED TO BE BANISHED FROM THE UNIVERSE.

They are the root of all evil.

[can't sit still]

Turkey must be really pissed off at israel. They moved their missiles to protect Iran and Syria. As many of you know, there is a relief flotilla headed for Palestine. The israelis say that they will block or attack it. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 86213.html
Not a big surprise.
Turkey says that they will retaliate if it is not allowed to deliver the goods. http://www.debka.com/article/8805/ BIG SURPRISE. Not sure what made the Turks draw this line in the sand.
At one time, David Ben-Gurion fought to liberate Palestine from the Turks. Back then, an Egyptian sea blockade of israel was highly illegal. Of course, when the shoe is on the other foot, it's OK. Britain also blockaded israeli [wannabe] immigrants;
http://www.jewishhistory.org/the-miracle-of-israel/
The Turks said that they would retaliate against israeli interests. The Turks control the Straits of Bosporus. They could easily cut off any shipping that they want.
The situation could become dangerous. israel prides itself on being the "mad dog" of the world. This isn't good.

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Well, it looks like israel is ready to ratchet up the tension. They are posting subs with nukes off the coast of iran. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 140282.ece
Turkey's GOV has drifted more religious and less secular. From one point of view, we have 2 nuclear-armed theocracies. The principle battleground may be Iran but, things could spread fast. The leaders of a theocracy feel that they are carrying out god's will. Since we are all going to die eventually, they believe that god isn't overly concerned about the precise timing.
The fucktards in the U.S. are itching to light up Pakistan. Just imagine if "they" can light up Iran, Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, Yemen, Somailia, Lebanon, maybe Libya.

This paper argues that israel should not bomb the reactor. It says that israel should align with iran and attack egypt. They do give pretty good justification for such a move.
http://samsonblinded.org/blog/the-bomb- ... ppable.htm
Lighting up Egypt doesn't sound too good either. With a common border, they might get over run. In my opinion, israel is not making good decisions.
They're too intransigent to sit down with the Palestinians. They can more or less get away with that. By being completely intransigent with their arab neighbors, they fail to appreciate that their neighbors are getting stronger and more united.
All the tensions that the Anglo-American hegemony tried to exacerbate are slowly fading away. As the Arabs get more aware and more educated, the Sunni-Shia rivalry falls away. They can more focus on the real threat to their common security.

The paper is written by a jew... I believe. He says that israel should attack Egypt. I failed to see a mention that israel should make peace with everyone. For the moment, I believe that there are too many hardliner fundamentalists to have peace in the Middle-East. It would have been nice if he had at least mentioned peace.
Egypt is also plagued by population and land problems. That won't go away easily. War is the usual solution chosen. Win or lose, Egypt might find it advantageous to attack israel. If Iran is attacked, Egypt could stir up everyone for jihad. That would cut down on the number of hungry mouths.

Israel proved quite thoroughly that they are actually incapable of occupying and controlling Lebanon. If some country attacks israel in the hopes of eliminating excess population, they don't have to fear being occupied. Shoot, if enough of them do it, they might over run the place. Hard to say what is going in the minds of Middle-Eastern leaders.

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Well, the israelis have gone "all in" on this one. They attacked the flotilla. They didn't blockade them,, they just flat out attacked them. If they're hoping to catalyze the world against them, this is a very good start.
The founders of israel claimed that israel had to be the mad dog of the world stage. They need to remember that "mad dogs" are put down as being too dangerous. This was a very stupid move. The israelis have been making a lot of stupid moves lately. There are many claims that israel has threatened to attack the West if they don't get their way in all things. Dunno
The MOSSAD attack in Dubai was so sloppily executed, they may believe that no one can touch them.
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/05/israeli-s ... -dark.html
Sad

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[can't sit still]

This is an excellent article by Makow. His ideas are WELL worth thinking about.

"My grandparents died in the holocaust. I blame the Illuminati bankers who brought the Nazis to power. I blame the Zionists for collaborating with the Nazis."
"The murder of Gaza peace activists provides more evidence that the actual goal of Zionism is not to protect Jews from anti-Semitism but in fact, is to create anti-Semitism."

"As usual, the Israelis are trying to portray the murder of 20 unarmed peace activists as an act of self defense. Machine gun toting commandos were attacked with sticks!!! One commando got skim milk powder thrown on his clean, freshly pressed uniform!"

"Most Jews are decent, good people. They believe in the Moral Order not the new world order. "
Makow portrays the jews as being victims of the zionists. We ALL know that the majority of the jews have the same modest desires as the rest of us. Makow makes very good arguments that the zionists, many of whom are Russian mafia will trash israel when they no longer need it.

It takes an ENORMOUS amount of faith to swallow the "bill of goods" that is proffered by religion. Most religious fundamentalists HAVE this faith. When a person can take religion on faith, that makes them, axiomatically, susceptible to other forms of BS indoctrination.
The madrassas turn out little islamic robots and the rabbinical schools turn out little jewish robots.
Could israel learn to do religious indoctrination while stripping out religious superiority and zionist power-hunger?

The zionists at the top are starting to lose their grip on the mainstream jews. A larger and larger percentage of the jews are starting to reject the agenda of the zionists;
http://www.rense.com/general91/eor.htm

This latest attack was particularly brutal. Reportedly, the israeli commandos had lists of activists to be killed;
http://www.kawther.info/wpr/2010/05/31/ ... -relations
They boarded,,, they executed.
Makow claims that the zionists want WW III. Speaking for myself, I prefer NOT.
WE ARE VERY CLOSE.

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I searched on ... israeli chess masters.... There are tons of them;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Is ... ss_players
Unfortunately, none of them are named "Netanyahu"
It was long ago obvious that israel's enemies wanted to stop the slow strangulation of palestine. They needed some splashy, 3rd party deaths. The world just wasn't upset enough by palestinian death.
So, they sent in a flotilla of activists.
The IDF in an impressive show of stupidity did exactly what the would-be martyrs had hoped for.
The British blockaded israel years ago. Nobody got hurt,, I believe. The IDF / Netanyahu figured that they would board these ships. Individual commandos landing on ships. The people attacked them with sticks. What usually happens when you attack an armed soldier with a stick??
The ships in the flotilla were towed away. That tells you that they had tugboats fairly near. They were tracking the flotilla from Cyprus?? They could have used the tugs to turn or block the ships.
NOPE, they elected to do the stupid thing.
Israel managed to bottle-up the overland relief convoy in Egypt. They could have done the same thing off of Gaza.
The telling response was from Jordan.They have always bent over backwards [lately] to keep israel happy. They condemned the attack immediately.

Turkey said that they would retaliate. The U.N. is useless. I don't think that Turkey is going to bother going through the UN. I suspect that they have something more direct in mind.
israel knows all about blockades;
"Israel feared slow economic strangulation because of the costs of long-term mobilization and the damage of the shipping blockcade."
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to ... tarted.php

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... s-1.293391
This article claims that israel started the 6 day war because it's neighbors were talking shit about israel.... threatening them. If israel beat Syria, Egypt and Jordan in 6 days, their neighbors couldn't have had anything in the way of attack preparations.

They're well prepared now. israel stupidly gave the muslim world cause to rally round Turkey. They should have stayed home and learned chess.

I just read an article. I do NOT know if it is speculation. They claim that turkey will send a new flotilla with navy protection. Do you KNOW what this means?????
http://www.ianwelsh.net/holy-sweet-lord ... kish-navy/