Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....II

[Trishntek]

Yeah, I should rephrase that since I too know some pretty dangerous and violent people I actually like. My ex-girlfriend as an example. LOL!

Stupid, dangerous, violent people worry me.
They are unpredictable and can do things that effect many if not all around them.

A fool believes the only correct opinion is his own.
A person of wisdom celebrates diversity and individuality.
A foolish person often talks but rarely listens.
A wise person considers others uniquely qualified to expose him to horizons beyond his own experience.

[DVD Burner]

A fool believes the only correct opinion is his own.

This coming from a Tea bagger.

A person of wisdom celebrates diversity and individuality.

There is nothing diverse about the tea baggers. Only a fool believes that.

A foolish person often talks but rarely listens.

Some advise of your own you should be taking right now.

A wise person considers others uniquely qualified to expose him to horizons beyond his own experience.

And you are still a joke. You will always be a joke.
Lets see where you will be on this board 3 years from now fool.

[DVD Burner]

Owner of Kyrgyzstan fuel depot speaks out


Could American officials be tried under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act?

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/asia ... -contracts

By David L. Stern - GlobalPost

Published: May 22, 2010 09:00 ET

BISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan — Valery Hon owns what in local business jargon is described as a “tasty morsel.â€

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Taliban's assault on NATO base suggests shift in tactics


Suicide attacks are all too frequent and easier to dismiss, but the Bagram offensive got people's attention.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/afgh ... ft-tactics

By Jean MacKenzie - GlobalPost
Published: May 19, 2010 11:35 ET

KABUL, Afghanistan — A brazen assault today by up to 20 Taliban fighters on the largest NATO base in Afghanistan was the second attack in as many days on U.S. military targets here, suggesting to some observers that the Taliban appears intent on switching tactics from solo suicide bombings to more coordinated missions.

The attacks also raise the possibility that the insurgents are trying to bring the fight into the capital even as the U.S. and NATO allies prepare for a mounting offensive this summer in the southern province of Kandahar, a Taliban stronghold.

During today's attack on the Bagram Airfield, located 50 miles north of Kabul, one U.S. contractor was killed and nine service members were wounded, along with 12 of the insurgents. (GlobalPost's Ben Gilbert was at Bagram during the attack.)

The apparent hopelessness of the attack could not mask a distressing reality: the Taliban are making good on their threat to launch an offensive against the foreign forces, and in the process have passed a major milestone. More than 1,000 American military personnel have now died in the Afghan war.

The “assaultâ€

[DVD Burner]

Texas board adopts right-wing curriculum

Education on the civil rights movement and slavery is diluted or changed


By APRIL CASTRO, Associated Press
Friday, May 21, 2010 20:04 ET

http://www.salon.com/news/2010/05/21/us ... index.html

The Texas State Board of Education adopted a social studies and history curriculum Friday that amends or waters down the teaching of the civil rights movement, slavery, America's relationship with the U.N. and hundreds of other items.

The ideological debate over the guidelines, which drew intense scrutiny beyond Texas, will be used to teach some 4.8 million Texas students for the next 10 years.

The standards also will be used by textbook publishers who often develop materials for other states based on those approved in Texas, although teachers in the Lone Star state have latitude in deciding which material to teach.

The board took separate votes on standards for high schools and kindergarten through eighth grades. The final vote was 9-5 on each set of standards.

The debate has brought national attention, including testimony from educators, civil rights leaders and a former U.S. education secretary.

The ideological dispute contributed to the defeat of one of the board's most outspoken conservatives, Chairman Don McLeroy, in the March state Republican primary.

In final edits leading up to the vote, conservatives rejected language to modernize the classification of historic periods to B.C.E. and C.E. from the traditional B.C. and A.D. They also required that public school students in Texas evaluate efforts by global organizations such as the United Nations to undermine U.S. sovereignty.

McLeroy offered the amendment requiring students to evaluate efforts by global organizations including the U.N. to undermine U.S. sovereignty, saying they threatened individual liberty and freedom.

During the monthslong process of creating the guidelines, conservatives successfully strengthened the requirements on teaching the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation's Founding Fathers and attempted to water down rationale for the separation of church and state.

The standards will refer to the U.S. government as a "constitutional republic," rather than "democratic," and students will be required to study the decline in the value of the U.S. dollar, including the abandonment of the gold standard.

Conservatives say the Texas history curriculum has been unfairly skewed to the left after years of Democrats controlling the board.

Educators have blasted the proposed curriculum for politicizing education. Teachers also have said the document is too long and will force students to memorize lists of names rather than thinking critically.



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Just more stupidity.

[Trishntek]

DVD Burner quoted:

McLeroy offered the amendment requiring students to evaluate efforts by global organizations including the U.N. to undermine U.S. sovereignty, saying they threatened individual liberty and freedom.

During the monthslong process of creating the guidelines, conservatives successfully strengthened the requirements on teaching the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation's Founding Fathers and attempted to water down rationale for the separation of church and state.

The standards will refer to the U.S. government as a "constitutional republic," rather than "democratic," and students will be required to study the decline in the value of the U.S. dollar, including the abandonment of the gold standard.

Conservatives say the Texas history curriculum has been unfairly skewed to the left after years of Democrats controlling the board.

Educators have blasted the proposed curriculum for politicizing education. Teachers also have said the document is too long and will force students to memorize lists of names rather than thinking critically.

What part of this statement is not true? Only under a Constitutional Republic do the people enjoy the full right of self-rule. The privilege of self-rule has not been had by many people throughout the entire history of the world. Americans must consider themselves an especially blessed people. Under a government of self-rule, it is in the political area where we vote for God's plan of freedom or Satan's plan of slavery. Here is where we indicate whether we belong with the just or the unjust, and whether we are able to overcome the disposition to abuse authority.

The separation of church and state is not in the constitution and was written in a letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association:

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.

It is plain to see his intention was to prevent the state from interfering with or establishing religion. The free exercise clause prohibits state involvement and does not prohibit church involvement in the state.

If I understand you correctly, by posting this DVD, you prefer one world government to sovereignty? You prefer mob rule over constitutional law? You want the youth of America to learn only cherry picked facts and not the big picture of history?

By not paying attention to historical facts for decades, we find ourselves repeating the mistakes begun a century ago. The United States was not a democracy in its youth. It was up to us to maintain the Constitutional Republic and we have failed.

Do you deny that being a Constitutional Republic made us the most productive and generous nation on earth? Do you scoff at the notion that great men bow to a Power greater than themselves? Do you prefer social justice over individual liberty?

These are all facts which obviously need to be taught in our schools because you being a prime example, have not learned the truth of our founding.

[DVD Burner]

DVD Burner quoted:

McLeroy offered the amendment requiring students to evaluate efforts by global organizations including the U.N. to undermine U.S. sovereignty, saying they threatened individual liberty and freedom.

During the monthslong process of creating the guidelines, conservatives successfully strengthened the requirements on teaching the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation's Founding Fathers and attempted to water down rationale for the separation of church and state.

The standards will refer to the U.S. government as a "constitutional republic," rather than "democratic," and students will be required to study the decline in the value of the U.S. dollar, including the abandonment of the gold standard.

Conservatives say the Texas history curriculum has been unfairly skewed to the left after years of Democrats controlling the board.

Educators have blasted the proposed curriculum for politicizing education. Teachers also have said the document is too long and will force students to memorize lists of names rather than thinking critically.

What part of this statement is not true? Only under a Constitutional Republic do the people enjoy the full right of self-rule. The privilege of self-rule has not been had by many people throughout the entire history of the world. Americans must consider themselves an especially blessed people. Under a government of self-rule, it is in the political area where we vote for God's plan of freedom or Satan's plan of slavery. Here is where we indicate whether we belong with the just or the unjust, and whether we are able to overcome the disposition to abuse authority.

The separation of church and state is not in the constitution and was written in a letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association:

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.

It is plain to see his intention was to prevent the state from interfering with or establishing religion. The free exercise clause prohibits state involvement and does not prohibit church involvement in the state.

If I understand you correctly, by posting this DVD, you prefer one world government to sovereignty? You prefer mob rule over constitutional law? You want the youth of America to learn only cherry picked facts and not the big picture of history?

By not paying attention to historical facts for decades, we find ourselves repeating the mistakes begun a century ago. The United States was not a democracy in its youth. It was up to us to maintain the Constitutional Republic and we have failed.

Do you deny that being a Constitutional Republic made us the most productive and generous nation on earth? Do you scoff at the notion that great men bow to a Power greater than themselves? Do you prefer social justice over individual liberty?

These are all facts which obviously need to be taught in our schools because you being a prime example, have not learned the truth of our founding.

Goddamn you have not a fuckin clue how things work.

It's why I dont even like to waste time with you.

You post that I quoted as such but you dont post where you get the quote from.

This is what makes you look like an idiot and why I dont waste the time with you.

Not only that, you dont read what I post and what you do read, you post so far out of context, I have no choice to post you as one stupid fuck.

You are not capable of getting it right.

I shall not engage with you any further.


This is why I am not nice with stupid people.

[DVD Burner]

I have never in all 6-7 years on eplaya used the ignore function but Trishntek has earned this privilege.

The rest of you can read the stupid posts Trishntek post. In fact I'm sure stupid people will love the stupid posts from Trishntek.

I myself have a point to make and since I dont spend all that much time on eplaya, I like to use my time here wisely.

Ok, done deal..

[Trishntek]

Now don't be getting my hopes up just to be dashed by another example of your ridicule without substance.

[dr.placebo]

By not paying attention to historical facts for decades, we find ourselves repeating the mistakes begun a century ago. The United States was not a democracy in its youth. It was up to us to maintain the Constitutional Republic and we have failed.

Do you deny that being a Constitutional Republic made us the most productive and generous nation on earth? Do you scoff at the notion that great men bow to a Power greater than themselves? Do you prefer social justice over individual liberty?

These are all facts which obviously need to be taught in our schools because you being a prime example, have not learned the truth of our founding.

As you might imagine, I have some different views. To start with, it is a bit ironic that you are quoting Jefferson (a deist, not a "real" christian) when the Texas curriculum is cutting out much of the study of him.

You said that the United States was not a democracy in its youth. I disagree. The Constitution did not provide for direct voting on some offices, the voting rights of women and slaves certainly were not provided for, and many (not all) of the founders were suspicious of popular vote, but the principle of one man one vote was established. For example, the primary reason for the Census is to provide for fair representation in the face of shifting population, and it's in the Constitution.

Do I deny that being a Constitutional Republic made us the most productive and generous nation on earth? Well, yes and no. There is nothing in the Constitution that directly promotes productivity or generosity (the provision for patents rewards innovation, not production). It can be argued that by giving broad rights to the citizens that they are more likely to be productive, and that generosity can arise from wealth, and would not really disagree. I think that the productivity did not follow from the Constitution as much as it followed from natural resources and a liberal provision for immigration.

Do I scoff at the notion that great men bow to a Power greater than themselves? Sometimes I do. If god is truly great then I suspect that he/she/it/they are beyond worship. Further, if freedom of religion is to mean anything it must also mean freedom from religion. I do not wish to be bound by the shackles of someone else's notion of god.

Do I prefer social justice over individual liberty? Absolutely not. However, I think that they are inextricably bound together, so I need not make a choice. When the rich and powerful can dictate the laws and escape from their crimes with impunity there is neither social justice nor individual liberty. I'd like to point out that desiring a government that protects the citizens is not at all the same as desiring a paternalistic government. You have the right to fail.

Teaching facts in the schools does not bother me, nor does teaching controversy. But teaching based on who gets the most votes for the school board does bother me. Having a democracy should not extend to using popular voting to invent science, history, mathematics, or literature. The point of having peer review is to raise the bar, and having uninformed people with a political agenda determine the curriculum clearly lowers the bar.

[DVD Burner]

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More info on stupid people. Hey, there are those of us that are on a mission to expose as many stupid idiots as possible

This is not about a difference of opinion. These are facts that the vast majority already know and most are afraid to say anything about.

[Trishntek]

NUMBER: 1593
AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
QUOTATION: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?â€

[DVD Burner]

More idiots that should not be in charge of anything let alone making a killing still. The BP oil spill LIVE.

[DVD Burner]

Pretty amazing. Now the lens of the camera is clogged so now no one can estimate exactly how much oil is coming out of the hole.

[littleflower]

well, DVD, you're right, china is not a third world country. i have been living under the mistaken notion that third world countries are those where you need to get shots before visiting, and don't brush your teeth with tap water, that sort of thing.

see? i can admit when i am wrong!

but since trishntek is still new around here, i think a few notes about DVDburner's history on this thread are appropriate.

this thread is politics II. the creator of the first version requested that the thread be locked entirely because of DVD's behavior on the thread.

more people on this board have DVD plonked than any other poster, i believe. even many who agree with him can't stand his posts.

and as for his facts, i think this exchange with his is the most instructive:

You can check Al Jazeera. they are still broadcasting that. I would send the link but you'd have to sit through the whole broadcast.
If you want to sit through it, I'll gladly send you the link.

you posted bad info from al jazeera .... and weren't even remotely interested when i found it to be false.

the idea that anyone can "know" the "facts" ... and find the world's problems to be always the fault of the U.S. and israel ... well, you are a simple minded ninny, and not worth my time any more than i am worth yours.

but i do enjoy having the opportunity to point this out again...

Ah ha ha ha. Good one.

They did broadcast that but i forgot to get the link.

lets see if I can find it, but as far as your view of Al Jazeera....it's incredibly weak at best. i mean, if that's all you got, and you dont know of others that have killed their ties with Israel yet, you are definitely living under a rock.
You did not hear about the PM of Turkey yet?
Just for starters.

has india broken all ties with israel yet, DVD??? have you learned the difference between facts and new reports yet? have you ever admitted to being wrong about anything???? no, of course not.

to everyone else i apologize for bringing this up yet again .....

[DVD Burner]

well, DVD, you're right, china is not a third world country. i have been living under the mistaken notion that third world countries are those where you need to get shots before visiting, and don't brush your teeth with tap water, that sort of thing.

see? i can admit when i am wrong!

but since trishntek is still new around here, i think a few notes about DVDburner's history on this thread are appropriate.

this thread is politics II. the creator of the first version requested that the thread be locked entirely because of DVD's behavior on the thread.

more people on this board have DVD plonked than any other poster, i believe. even many who agree with him can't stand his posts.

and as for his facts, i think this exchange with his is the most instructive:

you posted bad info from al jazeera .... and weren't even remotely interested when i found it to be false.

the idea that anyone can "know" the "facts" ... and find the world's problems to be always the fault of the U.S. and israel ... well, you are a simple minded ninny, and not worth my time any more than i am worth yours.

but i do enjoy having the opportunity to point this out again...

Ah ha ha ha. Good one.

They did broadcast that but i forgot to get the link.

lets see if I can find it, but as far as your view of Al Jazeera....it's incredibly weak at best. i mean, if that's all you got, and you dont know of others that have killed their ties with Israel yet, you are definitely living under a rock.
You did not hear about the PM of Turkey yet?
Just for starters.

has india broken all ties with israel yet, DVD??? have you learned the difference between facts and new reports yet? have you ever admitted to being wrong about anything???? no, of course not.

to everyone else i apologize for bringing this up yet again .....

they did say they were going to do that little one.

There were a TON OF PEOPLE that said they were going to do A LOT OF THINGS at that time THAT TO THIS DAY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH.

Does not mean I have bad info and does not mean I was lying.
In fact, that is the only one you will find me having a missing link, and I still am not about to go look for it.

and it's the same one thing you can get on a post of mine?
Believe you me and you can ask anyone here on eplaya, THAT'S THE BEST YOU WILL EVER DO OF ANY OF MY POSTS ANYWHERE.

My track record is excellent anywhere and everywhere on the internet.

Good luck finding anything else you think is in error from me little one.

You wont find it.


Nice try but you are gonna have to try a little bit harder than that.

[DVD Burner]

Oh and mind you, and this is the biggest promise of them all that was to this day never followed through. Israel was to be charged with WAR CRIMES!

Never happened.

Got anything to say about that fact?

Of course you dont, just as you wont find anything else of mine with a missing link or nonfactual.

[littleflower]

DVD, darling, i have nothing more recent than that because i generally IGNORE YOUR POSTS. dvd posted crap, ho hum, move on. if anyone else posts the exact same thing, i pay attention. but you just bore me.

i posted that for anyone new to the forum, and i will probably repeat it every now and then when you become spectacularly obnoxious, as you have been lately.

of course, some out there may be enjoying your endless idiotic ramblings about the stupidity of others .... and even i am often amused, in maternal "aw, how cute, my teenager is forming opinions of his own" sort of way ....

[DVD Burner]

DVD, darling, i have nothing more recent than that because i generally IGNORE YOUR POSTS. dvd posted crap, ho hum, move on. if anyone else posts the exact same thing, i pay attention. but you just bore me.

i posted that for anyone new to the forum, and i will probably repeat it every now and then when you become spectacularly obnoxious, as you have been lately.

of course, some out there may be enjoying your endless idiotic ramblings about the stupidity of others .... and even i am often amused, in maternal "aw, how cute, my teenager is forming opinions of his own" sort of way ....

Nice try.

Looks like you are having a tough time proving the facts I post to be wrong and having a hard time finding something else of mine that has a missing link.

Only stupid folk divert from the facts.

What's the matter, you a tea bagger too.

[littleflower]

What's the matter, you a tea bagger too.

as a matter of fact, i DO have a tea bag, or two!

[DVD Burner]

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Hilarious! These guys are out there with rakes and shovels and people with beach front property had no idea this oil was going to wash up on their front porch.

More stupidness.

here's the other thing that cracks me up about this whole thing. No one has even a clue that there is not a fucking thing the government can do about any of this and that the oil companies control the coast guard and the government.

The other thing is, BP does not want to stop this spill. never did and never will.
cant wait to see how many people will get sick in the next 6 months.

Should start seeing people getting real sick around October.

[DVD Burner]

What's the matter, you a tea bagger too.

as a matter of fact, i DO have a tea bag, or two!

Green or Earl Grey?

[Trishntek]

littleflower said:

,,,but since trishntek is still new around here, i think a few notes about DVDburner's history on this thread are appropriate.,,,

Thanks littleflower, I realize the exercise is futile, but it is an opportunity to explore the reasons for my own thinking and put my thoughts in some kind of recognizable pile. I have seen to it that my page no longer exhibits DVD's provocations and ridicule.

[ygmir]

I do so love human electronic interactions..............

[DVD Burner]

Meh!

I thought nothing could be worse than Little but Trishntek...................


I'd rather deal with Little.

Night!

[DVD Burner]

RNC Chairman Michael Steele Criticizes Rand Paul As Out Of Touch On Civil Rights

First Posted: 05-23-10 10:18 AM | Updated: 05-23-10 10:27 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/2 ... 86362.html

RNC Chairman Michael Steele on Sunday offered some of the most forceful disapproval of Rand Paul's libertarian positions to date from within the broader Republican Party.

In dual Sunday news show appearance, the Republican National Committee leader said he was "not comfortable" with Paul's position on the Civil Rights Act -- which he called "misplaced in these times" -- and cautioned that if he were to be elected the Tea Party-backed candidate would have to temper his views accordingly.

"He had a philosophical difference as many members who come to Congress have a different philosophies," he said. "But when you get here, what you do and how you execute the job is what matters."

Perhaps a reflection of his own personal history, Steele's rebuke was remarkably direct. At the very least it dwarfed the muddled responses from Republicans in the Senate, who have largely skirted the question of whether they, like Paul, think the Civil Rights Act intruded too deeply in private enterprise.

"I think his philosophy is misplaced in these times," said Steele during an appearance on "Fox News Sunday." "I don't think it's where the country is right now. The country litigated the issue of separate but equal, the country litigated the rights of minority people in this country to access the enterprise, free enterprise system, and accommodation and all of that. And that was crystallized in the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of '64. And I think that the party stands very firmly behind its efforts then as we do now, to press forward on new civil rights issues... But I think in this case, Rand Paul's philosophy got in the way of reality."

In a separate appearance on ABC's "This Week," Steele said: "I think it's important to understand that Rand Paul has clarified his statement and reiterated his support for...pushing civil rights forward, as opposed to going backwards. Any attempt to look backwards is not in the best interest of our country certainly, and certainly not in the best interest of the party."


Incredibly stupid. BWWWAAAA HA HA HA HA HA!

[Ugly Dougly]

Fuck North Korea

[DVD Burner]

Well looks like Obama is a one term President. What say you?




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Just sayin........

if you want my opinion just ask.

[Ugly Dougly]

The other thing is, BP does not want to stop this spill. never did and never will.
cant wait to see how many people will get sick in the next 6 months.

Should start seeing people getting real sick around October.

Are you implying that their idea is to ruin the environment so they can drill ad hoc afterwards?

[Bounce530]

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